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KERRRAAANNGG - NWOBHM !!!!!!

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Topic: KERRRAAANNGG - NWOBHM !!!!!!

Posted By: mystic fred
Subject: KERRRAAANNGG - NWOBHM !!!!!!
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 11:50

The Golden age of the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal lasted between 1978 and 1983, during that period there were hundreds of ear-blugeoning speed-metal bands doing the rounds in pubs and clubs in London (the Soundhouse, Kingsbury and many pubs in my locality) and all over Britain.

There were some amazing bands which conquered Europe and America, such as Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Def Leppard most notably, and influenced such bands as Metallica, Mercyful Fate and Guns'n'Roses. Also NWOBHM has the rather dodgy distinction of introducing the "Air Guitar" into rock culture, an amazing instrument anybody can play!!

Modern metal wouldn't be the same without the New Wave, so which are your favourite groups and why??? I have listed a few, so discuss discuss discuss...........KERRRAAANNGG!!!!

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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 11:53

I have to go with the obvious... Maiden
but I enjoy Saxon, Priest, Angelwitch, D. Head and D. Leppard from the list

Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 11:55

Judas Priest,Budgie and Motorhead werent NWOBHM Mystic Fred!

I dont particularly like any of these bands but as a choice I will go for Motorhead who I saw live in Bolton in 1977 and were a good laugh.

Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 11:59

Of the NWOBHM Iron Maiden!

Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 12:09

WaywardSon wrote:

Of the NWOBHM Iron Maiden!

What he said, of course... Wink

(And no, I'm not going to say anything about Maiden in PA... LOL

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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 12:14

Tony R wrote:

Judas Priest,Budgie and Motorhead werent NWOBHM Mystic Fred!

I dont particularly like any of these bands but as a choice I will go for Motorhead who I saw live in Bolton in 1977 and were a good laugh.

I agree Tony, these could be borderline cases as some sources list these bands as NWOBHM, let's call them NWOBHM - related!!!!

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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 12:18

I HAVE THE 1st 5 SAXON'S ALBUMS!!!

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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 12:21

Judas Priest definitely WERE NWOBHM, not sure about Budgie though(the album I had was no NWOBHM at all).

Voted for Motorhead.

-- Ivan

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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 12:23

ivansfr0st wrote:

Judas Priest definitely WERE NWOBHM, not sure about Budgie though(the album I had was no NWOBHM at all).

Voted for Motorhead.

-- Ivan

MOTORHEAD IS

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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 12:46

ivansfr0st wrote:

Judas Priest definitely WERE NWOBHM,

Dont be silly lad.
They were probably one of the chief influences ON the NWOBHM movement.Dont believe everything you read on Wikipedia!

Judas Priest were formed in 1970...Rocka Rolla was 1974 and Sad Wings Of Destiny,Stained Class,Sin After Sin were all UK Top 30 charting albums establishing the Judas Priest style prior to 1978.

Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 13:13

'nuff said

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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 13:25

Iron Maiden.

Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 13:27

Budgie and Motohead >>> NWOBHMB

Priest also!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 15:39

The stylistic differences between Iron Maiden and Judas Priest not being so evident is my primary reasoning for putting them into the same box, Tony. Now Budgie is where I do not get the similarity at all.

-- Ivan

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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 16:27

ivansfr0st wrote:

The stylistic differences between Iron Maiden and Judas Priest not being so evident is my primary reasoning for putting them into the same box, Tony. Now Budgie is where I do not get the similarity at all.

-- Ivan

I understand Ivan,but you cannot rewrite history in the pursuit of logic.

Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 21:12

Tony R wrote:

Judas Priest,Budgie and Motorhead werent NWOBHM Mystic Fred!

thats true

but Motorhead... a good laugh ?

Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: August 12 2006 at 21:15

Tony R wrote:

ivansfr0st wrote:

Judas Priest definitely WERE NWOBHM,

good arguments there Tony, Judas Priest are in no way NWOBHM

Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 05:39

They were a part of the movement once it started though. I don't see how you can NOT be a part of different movements throughout the career. JP's other albums were done in other styles too. How about the poppy Turbo Lover and the Speed Metalish Painkiller?

-- Ivan

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 05:52

Tony R wrote:

ivansfr0st wrote:

Judas Priest definitely WERE NWOBHM,

I'm with you on this, Tony. Priest, Motorhead and Budgie existed way before the beginning of the NWOBHM, though they were going strong at that time, and this resulted in their being lumped in with other, more recent bands. However, it is also quite clear that they were a clear influence on some of those bands: Motorhead for Girlschool, Raven and Tank, Priest for Iron Maiden and Saxon, to name but two.

Posted By: Richardw
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 06:14

I have seen nearly every one of those bands. The 'Rock Garden' in Middlesbrough had a rock night every Friday. 'Iron Maiden', I remember were great. It was before they had made their first album, and they were one of the few bands that had a great stage show, even then. I remember seeing that Bruce Bruce fella in Samson too. Whatever happened to him I wonder?

Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 09:30

Absolutely no contest: MAIDEN.

Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 10:10

There is no way Judas Priest could have been NWOBHM. They actually began as a band in 1969, although none of the members from that incarnation made it when they recorded their debut 'Rocka Rolla' in 1974. Even then, that's a long while before the NWOBHM is seen to have started. The same goes for Motorhead, imo. The musicians had been around for years and had varying degrees of success in other bands. Also, the early line-up was not the same as the famous one that did Ace Of Spades et al, and started immediately after Lemmy had been fired from Motorhead. Budgie even less so, seeing as their debut was out in 1971!![IMG]height=17 alt=Confused src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>

Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 10:15

salmacis wrote:

One of the best bands in terms of all out ability that you don't mention are White Spirit. They have the raw edge of NWOBHM but an element of the pomp rock that Styx, Starcastle, Magnum etc. were doing]

And a dreadful singer.I seem to remember a Rush-like offering called Fool For The Gods (?)

Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 10:18

The singer they got was Brian Howe, who replaced Paul Rodgers in Bad Company and sang with Ted Nugent, I think...

Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 10:19

salmacis wrote:

There is no way Judas Priest could have been NWOBHM. They actually began as a band in 1969, although none of the members from that incarnation made it when they recorded their debut 'Rocka Rolla' in 1974. Even then, that's a long while before the NWOBHM is seen to have started. The same goes for Motorhead, imo. The musicians had been around for years and had varying degrees of success in other bands. Also, the early line-up was not the same as the famous one that did Ace Of Spades et al, and started immediately after Lemmy had been fired from Motorhead. Budgie even less so, seeing as their debut was out in 1971!!

An amazing movement, the NWOBHM- so much amazing quality music. I collect this genre and it's my favourite of the metal genres. Only one band here ever made it to the world class stages- Iron Maiden. To be honest, I think it's fairly obvious it would have been them if you compare their musical ability to some of the other bands, and the compositions themselves. I'd vote them, but I like most of the others.

Diamond Head were the band with the most potential together with Maiden, but they just lost the plot at a certain point. Saxon were not bad, though in no way innovative.

Incidentally, I read an interview with Joe Elliott of Def Leppard recently where he dismissed the idea that Leppard were ever part of the NWOBHM. Although chronologically they would fit in with it, the music is generally far more polished and mostly, imo, AOR based than any other band of the genre.

I read the same interview, on Classic Rock magazine. I agree with what you say too, although their first album was sure more metal than the rest.

One of the best bands in terms of all out ability that you don't mention are White Spirit. They have the raw edge of NWOBHM but an element of the pomp rock that Styx, Starcastle, Magnum etc. were doing.

In the Maiden biography by Mick Wall, former White Spirit guitarist (now with IM) Janick Gers said that WS were never really part of the NWOBHM, since their sound was markedly different.

Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: August 13 2006 at 10:22

I'll go along with Janick in some respects; like Def Leppard they have probably been put in with the NWOBHM for historical convenience. WS are certainly heavy on the keyboards far more than any other NWOBHM band- in fact, I can think of none other that had keys as part of the band, not just on a session basis.