The best prog band for beginners?
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Topic: The best prog band for beginners?
Posted By: Captain Fudge
Subject: The best prog band for beginners?
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 07:53
I thought that since all of the following opened my eyes to the prog universe, it would be nice to know what made you be a proghead... ------------- 
Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder Epic. Simply epic. |
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Posted By: Metropolis
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 07:57
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Got to be Floyd, to ease you in
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Posted By: Dead Jester
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 07:57
| Jethro Tull spring 1971. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 08:00
King Crimson and ELP... hooked me for life!  ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 08:51
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Marillion and Yes. Also Supertramp but I didn't know or thought of it as prog music. The songs that really appealed to me at that time where Survival and Then (I had the yesterday collection) from Yes and the La Gazza Ladra album by Marillion. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 09:04
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Pink Floyd was the first prog band to real me in, but I wouldn't have been aware of the label 'prog rock' at that point. I guess it was my liking of Floyd and more thoughtful rock music that led to Rush, Genesis, Marillion and beyond. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 09:19
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Pink Floyd's 'The Wall' was one of the first albums I owned. And it was the single 'Another Brick...' that did it for me. There was a DJ called Mickey Horne (I think) on Capital Radio (London) who was a huge Floyd fan and I remember him playing side one of The Wall on his show. Up to that point, all I had ever bought were singles and I couldn't believe that you could string songs together like that one long piece. How did they remember all that music in one go??? Hey, I was 13 year old, and I didn't know much about the world okay? Anyways, Floyd was my way into prog but I truly wish it would have been something REALLY cool like Tangerine Dream or Showwaddywaddy...
------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 09:36
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Floyd Floyd is easy |
Posted By: Shredward
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 13:11
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Mine was definately Genesis (Nursery Cryme). According to the poll, that goes into "obscure band from your native country"! Dream Theater was the first prog I heard, and my prog-fiend of a friend got be to buy Nursery Cryme and Selling England By The Pound for about £4 each in a sale. The stuff he buys is so obscure that the shops keep it in a paper bag under the counter. I am very grateful for being made to get some Genesis, as Nursery Cryme is still one of my favourite albums and it opened me up a whole new world of prog. Aah... fond memories ------------- Pure Scottish Power Metal http:/www.mourningstar.net.tf |
Posted By: Dead Jester
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 13:45
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Hey, I was 13 year old, and I didn't know much about the world okay? And today ????  |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 13:48
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ELP?! If the first prog I had ever heard had been Brain Salad Surgery,
I would've ran headlong for brittney spears... or even mariah
carey . My first introduction to
prog was Yes, and they remain one of my favorite groups of all-time.
Although I was introduced to them via CTTE, I think either the Yes
Album or Fragile would be a great intro. I voted for Yes, even though
Pink Floyd would also be a fantastic introduction as well. As I've said
before, it all depends on what the person currently likes who's to be
introduced to prog... if that person likes heavy metal, than Rush or DT
might be a good intro, whereas if they like the Beatles and acoustic
60s hippie-rock, than Yes would be a better choice.
------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: ShrinkingViolet
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 13:53
| Since Mostly Autumn aint on the list i'll have to go for the next best thing for this matter= Pink floyd... |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 13:58
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BSS would scare you, but Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother or Meddle wouldn't have???? ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Sweetnighter wrote:
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 14:01
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Granted those aren't great intros either... but later Floyd would be
better, you know, Dark Side, WYWH, Animals, Wall... but for ELP, even
the debut album, which is definitely their most commercially appealing
album, would still be a bumpy ride for a prog newbie.
------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 14:06
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Nah, actually I think I'd start someone on Tarkus or Trilogy myself... both epitomy of prog albums... I think for girls, that ITCOTCK is probably the best intro... it carries a sense of mysticism and romanticism... that most young girls find fascinating... and then there is that voice...!!! ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 14:56
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I don't know if it's the easiest way to get into prog, but I had King Crimson's ITCOTCK as my first prog album. I still remember my father playing "Moonchild" for me, when I was really small I kindof didn't continue that way until last year, when I wanted to listen to the LP myself. I really loved Epitaph and Court of the Crimson King and then wanted to hear the rest of it too. After listening to that ALbum for quite a while I realized that there's more to music than simple pop and hiphop, so I went out to discover more of prog... |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 15:13
| I''d say Pink Floyd, but "Meddle"or later only. WYWH would make for a great introduction. |
Posted By: will
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 15:26
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My first touch of Prog was actuall Symphony X (some may not call it prog). From them i discovered the whole genre. For someone new starting out i would reccomend pinkfloyd though. ------------- Long live progression. Will |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 16:17
| That band with whatsisname on keyboards |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: December 22 2004 at 19:00
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I remember hearing the opening lines of 'I Know What I like' drifting out of next door's window (they had a son who was a couple of years older than me, sort of a surrogate big brother). That did it for me. Hearing "It's one o'clock and time for lunch..." Now makes me go all Proustian. (pretentious - moi?) It's got to be Gabriel era Genesis. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Emperor
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 04:58
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To my opinion, it's better to start with Prog-related (not pure Prog!) records like Beatles 66-70, Stones 66-69, Doors 67-68 & 71, Deep Purple 68-69, early Uriah Heep, even Black Sabbath's SBS and SABOTAGE. ------------- I Prophesy Disaster... |
Posted By: maddog
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 06:18
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Pink Floyd.....elementary Watson,but if you are a little bit mentally disturbed start with Guru Guru's UFO! ------------- Vielleicht irrte sich der general-general-general |
Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 16:33
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YES ------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 17:59
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 18:17
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Dream Theater- Scenes From A Memory Pink Floyd- Dark Side of the Moon |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 18:20
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Pink Floyd- Dream Theater- Rush- Yes ------------- |
Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 18:22
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I dont think any of those bands are good for beginners. I think the best band to introduce prog is RUSH. They have some very long proggy songs, but then shorter more digestable rock songs that would appeal more to the ears of someone who doesnt know much about prog. ------------- Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can |
Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 18:57
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floyd got me into the genre...them and also prog related bands like beatles, deep purple, and (though some deny them) led zeppelin. ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: Thufir Hawat
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 19:03
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Pink Floyd is the easiest prog band to get into With stuff like Money and With You Were Here. ------------- "I can't see through my eye lids" |
Posted By: Emiaj
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 19:48
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for me it was Genesis and Yes
but I've seen surprises like a friend of mine who listens to whatever crap (I think all he knew about progressive was Pink Floyd(?),Genesis 80s(?????) and Rush(?)..so he was a complete ignorant on the matter) ..while having a chat about a business I played a RENAISSANCE album just like background, wasn't expecting him to even pick a little atention to it but to my surprise (it was Turn of the cards) he was like "what's this music, it's awesome!!!"..of course the business conversation stoped there and it was all about prog bands..he even checked progarchives that same night..and in order he was blown away by Magenta, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, ELP, PFM, Le Orme, Banco, Loccanda, UK, Kansas, Gentle Giant, Mostly Autumn and even King Crimson etc... ..I never know what would take a person to progressive stuff..in this case bands with great female singers |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 19:51
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Magma
Seriously, Wish You Were Here, Animals, CTTE, ITCOTCK, SEBTP, Foxtrot, BSS, and Tarkus. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:00
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for someone like myself in the 18-25 range, I would have said PT. Since they aren't already on the list, I went with PF because most people are already a little familiar anyway.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:27
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I'd have to say Yes. Floyd is considering 'progressive'
because well... they were in historical terms, but listening to Floyd
iis not going to prepare you for complex deep musical passages,
challenging obtuse at times lyrics. Yes is a more accessible
example of what most people associate prog with. Stunning
musicianship, complex music, and lyrics that leave you scratching
your head wondering what the heck those guys were smoking.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:30
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Posted By: ambriz
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 00:44
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I believe Pink Floyd will do it, for beginners of course. It also could
be because It's one of the most popular bands in the history of rock,
not only in progressive. Personally, I think Yes would fit the position
as being more progressive, it just depends on how you actually see it. If you like a heavier side on progressive, Porcupine Tree (especially the last two albums 'In Absentia' and 'Deadwing') is your best choice.  ------------- Progressive music, a kind of life. |
Posted By: gok22us
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 01:35
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Fragile did it for perfectly. It was recommended to me, and from the opening harmonic of Roundabout, to the finale of Heart of the Sunrise, I felt like I had left earth. Seems like a good place to start. For fans of industrial music, or dance-groovy type stuff, I'd probably suggest giving them a copy of any 80's King Crimson album (I absolutely LOVE that era of Crimson). Although, pretty much any of the above bands could do the trick. It would vary by individual. |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 01:43
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It depends on the attitude and openess of the "beginner". If he is willing and showing a true interest in prog, then we could start with other than the usual suspects that were unanimously mentioned here. Give her/him a selection of bands from several sub-genres and see what pleases him, but with perpetual reminders that he should make an effort to get into the music by multiple open minded listens and not by one time judgement. Otherwise we'll have to stick with the safe route towards enlightment. ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 07:30
| It depends on the "beginner." If the "begiiner" is metal minded probably Dream Theater is the best choice. Otherwise Pink Floyd,Jethro Tull and Yes. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 07:58
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VDGG, why not start with the best? ------------- 
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Posted By: Nixoleon
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 08:05
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Genesis, it's how I got into it. You can even use the 80's stuff as a bait and switch
Maybe Collins Genesis could go under (marginally) prog-related? ------------- From the sublime to the ridiculous is but a step.--Napoleon Bonaparte |
Posted By: akin
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 08:37
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Probably Pink Floyd with the huge hits, as Wish you were Here and
Comfortably Numb. Then others, like One of These Days, A Pillow of
Winds, Summer 68, If, Fat Old Sun. Then the others. I think it can work well with Rush too. I had lots of success with girls starting with The Moody Blues, although even Tangerine Dream has worked well once. |
Posted By: W.Chuck
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 09:00
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Definitely Pink Floyd. They have many hits and they are easy to get into. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:45
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Dream Theater are the door into prog for all the metaheads... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 13:00
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I can't believe that Pink Floyd would win the poll, especially in that way. The results looks suspicious and rigged.
That's sad, because Pink Floyd would give many potential listeners a bad/incorrect impression of what prog. is about. The choice of groups in the poll is also very lame (missing many important bands) Stupid, worthless "poll"....
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Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 13:25
| Usually I'd say Gentle Giant but it isn't listed in that poll, so I voted for Emerson, Lake and Palmer! |
Posted By: blenderbuss
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 21:47
| Pink Floyd |
Posted By: Catholic Flame
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 22:08
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Rush
------------- “Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion.” ~Jack Kerouac |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 22:12
well Magma was an option hahahhah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 22:20
| The best music to start with must be Pink Floyd, and especially the "Wish You Were Here" album. When I tried to introduce some prog to my daughters (then 10 and 13) the first albums they liked were WYWH of Pink Floyd and "Script for a Jester's Tear" of Marillion. Now they are also into Genesis and Yes. But the first "song" they started to appreciate was "Shine on you crazy diamond" |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 22:26
not a bad start, my son's introduction was Bill Bruford and Yours Is No Disgrace. He's a budding drummer now, and all 3 of my kids know the words to that song by heart. Oh to be a child of Micky... the next generation of prog fans are coming... my poor wife just shakes her head. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 22:31
I agree. Not enough people are saying it though. Rush is the perfect band to begin to get someone into prog. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 22:40
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That's a great song |
.Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 22:41
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of this list : Pink Floyd but, only some of their albums are for beginners |
Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 22:55
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it's clearly RUSH ------------- Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can |
Posted By: chromaticism
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 23:17
| Though I voted for Yes in the polls, my introduction to prog was through Dream Theater and Ambrosia; this just goes to show that I belong to a much younger generation of progheads. |
Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 23:30
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Yes - The complex grandeur of classic symphonic composition with musical accessability. Both stretches your musical understanding but has common rock roots. Out of all of them, I think they do it the best. ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 14:21
PINK FLOYD 
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Posted By: Zweck
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 18:39
| Art Zoyd, hehheh, heh. |
Posted By: Lorak
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 18:57
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I voted for Can because no one else had up to that point. ------------- Two heads are better than one, but if you want something done right, do it yourself. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, but better safe than sorry. Look before you leap, but he who hesitates is lost |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 21:04
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I was caught by Floyd but I think that the beginnig will depend on the listener. I suceeded with my sons using Genesis (Gabriel-era), Marillion and Dream Theater (both were metal-heads For women I'd indicate Moody Blues ('yes, I love youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu') and Premiata Forneria Marconi ('amore mio... principessa serena...'). I think they, together with Rush, are also good for someone with a classic rock bias. For someone jazz-minded maybe King Crimson and for someone oriented for classical music EL&P or Yes or Camel.
------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: The Ryan
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 21:37
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Due to how one is raised, he will come to different conclusions on what is moral and immoral. Much like - Due to what one has listened to in the past, he will come to different conclusions on what is worth listening to and what is not. For example when I found this site, I found it because of Dream Theater and Yes. Why did I listen to Yes and Dream Theater? I grew up with these bands and will always like them. Dream Theater reminded me of 80's bands like Metallica, Van Halen, and so on. Why did I listen to Yes? It just runs in the family and I've heard them around most my life. So what attracted me at this website and in the prog-genre? Bands that sounded similar (not clones) to Dream Theater and Yes, and from those similar bands, I find even less similar bands and so on and so forth. It's a chain of acceptance from one band to the next due to what we already like and what we're used to thus far. How can you just pick one band or one sub-genre? It's obviously going to be slightly different for every single person. It's psychology! |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 25 2006 at 10:33
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???????Where are Genesis and Neo-prog bands?I think,almost every Neo-prog band is awesome for prog-beginners
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