ProgArchives on Wikipedia!
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Topic: ProgArchives on Wikipedia!
Posted By: imoeng
Subject: ProgArchives on Wikipedia!
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 07:26
I was thinking to make ProgArchive's page on Wikipedia, so more and more people are into progarchives and prog rock as a whole  ...
I've made a new page, but maybe you can edit it so its even better (I made it in 5 minutes though
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 07:34
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Good Idea Imo ------------- 
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 07:34
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Yeah, why not, although i'm not sure if it will actually get that many to become proggers, as PA is rather something whitch travels mouth to mouth (so to speak...in actuality you just link someone), and it's easier to just direct people here than to a wikipedia page. :) Still, a wikipedia page is the LEAST we deserve.. |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 07:37
 Come on be positive.. In fact there is an external link from progressive rock page on wikipedia to progarchives.com, which is very good..------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 07:38
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someone has edited it.. thats good! ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 07:40
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Of course, but i'm just sceptical about the odds of someone just..accidentally stumbling upon it while browsing :) I found it through the imdb forum on "the wall", but perhaps other people move in other places of the web than i do. No, i'd love it to draw people into the world of great music, and something's always better than anything, so. (Edit.. yeah, actually, that was me.. i didn't really add anything, though.. what more needs to be said, you think? I'd love to write something more, i just don't know the place as well as most others do. I haven't even made a review yet, haha...) |
Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 12:52
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Great job. I see this as a positive way to (hopefully easily) introduce more prog n00bs. Really a great idea.  ------------- We got to pump the stuff to make us tough from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 13:54
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 13:56
I'm sure many people search fro "prog" on wikipedia. This will be a good thing.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 13:58
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I have a wikipedia account and I've made a few edits and even started an artical myself once, so I shall browse over it and see if I can make any changes.
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:02
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Hells yeah!
Were important now! -------------  
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:04
I just wrote two sections but I couldn't get the pictures to work
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:07
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"Prog Folk Team and The Post Rock Team PA's smallest genre team." Are you kidding? Stonie and I are the only ones on Neo Team as of now (because Greenback hasn't posted in almost two months. You can imagine what would happen if we disagreed on a topic. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:10
... That's not possible!But he post rock team consists of GS alone and Bryan who is also a PM specialist  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Cygnus X-2 wrote:Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:11
And you even neglected to write about Neo Prog... typical...  -------------
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:11
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Ansen, you can't say that about Philippe!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:19
Fish isn't Neo. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:20
Fish isn't Neo all the time, but he still does have a lot of Neo elements. -------------
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:21
But it's the truth  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:21
Yeah, epecially on Big Wedge......*hushed snicker*........ ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:22
That's deformation of character. -------------
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:23
I think he should be Neo solely for the music video for Big Wedge. -------------
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:25
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I've added the Neo team
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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:26
Ehhhmmm...!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:29
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On the verge of being edited!
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:30
 I forgot the post rock specialist part of your title ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:34
Edit conflict, dammit ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:35
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Now it looks better
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:48
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Indeed, now it looks better. I've sorted out the editing conflict as well. -------------
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:54
I feel neglected .------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:55
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Good point, where's Canterbury? Ansen you n00b!
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:58
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Chack it now. I'm done for today
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 14:59
To be corrected. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:02
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I'm already correcting it, don't touch anything!
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:05
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Thanks James.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:07
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Cygnus X-2(Robert "Cyggie")- A prolific reviewer and the Neo Prog team captain, Cyg is one of the most intelligent and open minded velveteers. Lover Rush, Adrian Belew and Zappa too much. The Miracle(Ansen)- A very open minded toward prog and a punk hater, he is one of the nicest members of the crew. Stonebeard(Andrew "Stony")- A devoted neo prog fan, he has tastes quite similar to Cygnus. Man With Hat(Phil "Hatman")- One of the original members of the crew, Man With Hat began his days posting alongside Cygnus and Stonebeard in the first of many "trifectas". He has a very small............... music collection.
Bj-1(Bjørnar "Blowie")- The inventor of "terminateding", he is a fun little walrus from Norwegia, addicted to buying new CD's. King Of Loss(Xiaojie "Flossy")- A huge Daniel Gildenlow, Roine Stolt, Neal Morse and soccer fanboy he is the only azn in the Crew. He likes to say "[insert anything] sucks ass!/sucks huge monjey balls!" and "GET ON AIM!!!!11!!!1" TheProgtologist(Jody)- The oldest, the most mature person and the only admin to post in the Velvet Room, he is a member of the prog metal team and has one of the biggest music collections on PA(over 5000 original CD's) AtLossForWords(Vincent "Tlossy")- A nice but pretty close minded guy, he loves melody and structure in his music. He is a member of the Prog Metal team and one of the forum's biggest Dream Theater fans. Imoeng(Timur)- Joined thanks to the recommendation of Gatot, a very prolific reviewer, Imoeng of our newest members, he's a big fan of Dream Theater and other prog metal. Bluesaga(Mike "terminatedsaga")- Originally a huge Flower Kings/symphonic fan now he is moving on to explore more obscure and interesting prog such as Canterbury and kraut.  ....does this mean you'll all get a special "PA" gold badge award????  ()  -------------  Prog Archives Tour Van 
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:14
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I'm making additional additions. Is that like a "Blue Peter Badge", Fred?
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:18
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Hey, keep it mature and factial please. It's an encyclopedia and not the Velvet Room.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:18
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It is factual!
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:20
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The Velvet Crew thing is absolutely hilarious.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:20
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No it's not. The way I had it was factual
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:22
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In your opinion. I've changed one bit of it, happy now? Trust me, it's factual. -------------
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:25
My name is not in it.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:26
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I shall add you, Tony. Done. -------------
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:27
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I moved me above Les Bern and Geck0, since I started posting before them (and have better taste)
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Posted By: Dr. Evil
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:28
Hey, is this information about progarchives or about people from the velvet room ???Just kidding  |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:28
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I have the exact same taste as you, Mike!
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:30
Thanks,
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:32
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I think we need to create a separate entry about The Velvet Room, to keep it separate from the main entry.
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:32
Not really, you like more avant stuff whereas I like symphonic and jazzy things more. -------------
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:33
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I love jazzy stuff! You're a 100% for me on last.fm.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:44
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Should actually think of re-writing the history of the site: It has been in existence since 2002 , but was owned by a resident of Florida and existed more in the form of the DPRP.
Max and Ron bought it from him, after Ron stopped his own site (ProgLands) and the Forum and Database under their actrual form were created start of 2004.
Ask Max or Ron for more details.
Dude, Peter, Maani and Danbo were among the first members of the forum ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:47
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I'm currently creating a separate entry for "The Velvet Crew", so people don't get scared off and to keep it separate from the main entry. I shall link the new page in.
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Posted By: Dr. Evil
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 15:55
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 16:15
Am I not part of the Velvet Crew? 
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 16:21
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You better save that Velvet Crew article on Microsoft Word, as they may delete it soon...
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 16:25
| What about the Band Submissions team? |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 16:25
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Yes, I've just noticed that... I shall save it.
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 16:37
This is hillarious!! ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 16:38
The good thing about Wikipedia is, eveyone can edit! ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 16:53
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 16:58
probably not for other millions people.. Lets see that criteria..------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 17:04
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28people%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28people%29 The Velveteers are "widely recognized entertainment personalities and opinion makers", are they not?
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 17:05
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In a small part of the Internet, yes! -------------
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 17:09
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Cool !!
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 17:13
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I knew something like that would happen
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 17:23
Like what? ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 17:28
The Velvet crew part being moved/deleted. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 17:31
Why ?
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 17:32
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I moved it, because it wasn't really suitable on the main PA wikipedia page. Now it seems it's not even suitable for Wikipedia!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 17:44
Is it not enough to be the laughing stock of PA? Now we're the laughing stock of the prog sector of Wikipedia!  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 17:46
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Don't worry, it'll get deleted soon and then I, or someone else, can remove the link to it.
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Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 17:51
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Thanks for the one who said I was one of the nicest guy on the forum
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 18:01
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Honestly, i don't want to sound like someone who's just envious (i am though, of course :) ), but won't reading an intern thing like "the velvet crew" in a wikipedia page make people more reluctant to visit the archives? Nothing wrong with making it personal, but that's no good way to get people to feel welcome, which is what we want, no? :) |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 18:03
That would have been me -------------
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Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 18:04
So you're jealous? -------------
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 18:13
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Of course i am! No matter how many forums i frequent, and how much time i spend on them, i just never become part of the "team", you know? :) Seriously though, that kind of internal jokes can scare people off. You do whatever you wish though, of course.. :) |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 18:25
If you want to become part of the team, I suggest you take a step into the Velvet Room. However, be sure to bring everything you need first because once you're in, there's no way out!  -------------
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 18:26
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Cool, excellent idea guys.
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 18:27
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PA must be mentioned on Wikipedia as it is one of the most important sites within the Prog world.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 18:28
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Yes, except we've kind of mention The Velvet Crew in a separate entry and it's been frowned upon (which is fair enough). I agree with Evans, it may scare people off knowing that us mad'uns in The Velvet Room are about.
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 18:40
then again, this is one of the most friendly forums i've ever had the pleasure of visiting. I guess it's a quality that's just inheritedly "prog", haha... |
Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 18:44
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Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 18:48
We're always looking out for newcomers. Feel free to drop by -------------
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: July 23 2006 at 19:03
It will have to be in the future though, as it's kinda late where i am. However, i'm gonna finish by asking a pretty unrelated question; Has anybody ever been kicked out of PA due to... unorthodox behavior (niiice...)? Any trolls you've needed to get rid of? |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 10:19
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There's been some changes, also the article on The Velvet Gang have seem to vanish??
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 10:35
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The part about The Velvet Crew is gone. I'm afraid the main article will also be deleted soon.
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 17:47
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I wont let them do that..
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 18:01
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The section on The Velvet Crew is irrelavent to the layperson and may infact put people off reading the wiki entry, therefore it has gone. The entry still exists in its own right at a separate wiki entry, but that will also soon disappear. If we can make the relavent changes and not make it seem like an advert for the site, then there maybe a saving grace, but we'll have to be quick about it. Wikipedia has strict guidlines. I do however have an idea... If we let them delete it, but save all the information... we can then make a much better entry from the old one and repost it and not have the previous edit history, that the current entry has. Therefore, people won't have to read all the previous edit histories and read all the irrelavent stuff that was there originally. -------------
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 18:03
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It's all gone James. I'm not re-writing all that
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 18:13
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We don't need the Velvet Crew part Ansen, I'm happy to see it go. I'm referring to the PA entry, which is still there for the time being. -------------
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 18:28
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Yeah, I've seen many other websites with forum like ultimate-guitar.com, its there, on wiki.. Why cant PA be there??
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 18:44
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You need to highlight the fact that it's one of the few prog rock music sites that let anyone review an album (if they have an account of course) and that the admins are strict on which reviews will be kept. You also need to highlight that those albums reviewed by prog reviewers and specialists, get a higher waiting, because these collaborators have been given the titles, because the admins feel they bring a vital addition to the website. You also need to mention (but without going into detail), that the forum has a few members that are in bands that appear in the archives themselves. Yes the site may not get media coverage so much, but I know a lot of bands, such as White Willow, list the wesbite on their website. That's coverage. -------------
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 18:51
Ha, you seem have had the vision.. Feel free to modify it, James..  ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 18:52
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I suggest you follow these rules as well:
1) Completely non-objective. Purely informational.
2) No mention whatsoever of any perticular member.
3) No mention whatsoever of "The Velvet Crew" or any similar likeness.
4) Don't mention any band members who may also be members on the forum without their consent.
5) If any member or review by a member appears in a picture, get consent from that member/reviewer before posting that image. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 18:57
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I've just noticed that ultimate-guitar has been put up for deletion twice and it was even deleted on one occasion... so the fact that that website is there, tells me we should be there too. Yes, we may not have as many members as them and we also may not provide tablature, but we do provide a wealth of reviews on prog albums, many of which are rare and don't have many reviews associated with them. These reviews are vital to people who may find an old vinyl in a shop and want to know further information.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 19:07
I quite agree, Stonie. When I mentioned that there are band members on the forum, I didn't mean naming either the band in question, or the band member(s), but just mention the factual information that some band members do post here. I think, apart from M@x and Ronie, we have deleted all mention of members on there and don't plan to add any in either. The Velvet Crew and Swelsh information has also gone and rightly so. The image in question was added by Imoeng, so if he wishes to ask the member in question whether it's fine to use his review example (which you cannot read clearly anyhow), he can do. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 24 2006 at 22:01
^ I do not mind that Season's End was the album being reviewed in that picture, though.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 00:44
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The entry's still on?!Hmm..
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: July 25 2006 at 00:46
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YES! We have another person wanting it kept!
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