Six Degrees vs Octavarium
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Topic: Six Degrees vs Octavarium
Posted By: WaywardSon
Subject: Six Degrees vs Octavarium
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 19:19
I love the song "Solitary Shell" on Six degrees, but not much else, so I voted Octavarium
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 19:21
| Album or song? Which ever Six Degrees gets my vote. |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 19:31
Sorry I forgot to mention it´s an album poll.
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Dalezilla wrote:Posted By: Deadwing12
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 19:33
Six Degrees, but a mile. Not only does the song 'Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence' trump anything from Octavarium, the individual songs of Six Degrees, such as The Glass Prison and Blind Faith, are miles better than, say, I Walk Beside You or Never Enough. IMO, of course 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 19:39
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Still a huge fan of Octavarium. I'm more familiar with it than Six Degrees.
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 19:46
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Definately Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, my favorite Dream Theater album. It's a work of art, simply put. The first disc is some of Dream Theater's most creative matierial, and the second speaks for itself. -------------  
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Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 20:18
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For me Octavarium, definetly |
Posted By: fungusucantkill
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 20:20
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i like six degrees better than octavarium
octavarium has jordan ruddess having a little too much fun with continuum
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Posted By: 2112
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 20:24
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i voted for seix degrees cause i love the song glass prison and am partial to the whole of disc2 where it just runs all together into one massive piece! ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 20:38
What he said. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 20:46
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Six degrees... Octavarium is one of my less favorite DT albums though it's still great
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Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 20:49
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SDOIT, but because of the first disc.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 21:20
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Six degrees of inner turbulence for sure. It carries more variety and it's overall better. ------------- 
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Posted By: AcostaFulano
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 21:34
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I don't like octavarium as an album very much, but the song itself blows me away... i think its great music, but overall, SDOIT makes by far a better album than octavarium. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 22:09
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I think SDoiT is their worst album along with Falling Into Infinity. Octavarium for me. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: KansasRushDream
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 22:19
| Six Degrees is probably the best album the band has made since Awake. So I'll go with that and since Solitary Shell is freaking awesome that helps as well. lol |
Posted By: Tomodachi
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 22:24
I totally agree, SDOIT is my favorite DT album too and so I vote SDOIT, but Octavarium the track is my favorite DT song. ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 23:09
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If it were only the 2nd disk of SDOIT, then that would win hands down, but I hate the first disk, so on with Octavarium. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 23:20
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I'd go with the majority, 6DOIT has more "unique" and great songs rather than Octavarium.. However both got 5 stars from me.. ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg"> 
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Posted By: Open-Mind
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 23:24
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Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulance
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 20 2006 at 23:34
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SDOIT.
Disc 1 is a masterpiece, IMO.Among DT's best stuff! Disc 2 is excellent too!
Octavarium is my least favorite DT release. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: razifa
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 01:48
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Six Degrees is a genial release, Octavarium is completly mediocre... ------------- ********** **razifa** ********** |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 01:56
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Both albums are great, but Six Degrees owns Octavarium, besides the fact Six Degrees is awesome.
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 03:03
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Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulance any day of the week, much better and the album is not to the point, like all prog. Octavarium is to pop sounding for me (excluding the song Octavarium.) ------------- 
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 03:36
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^ what about The Root Of All Evil and Never Enough and Panic Attack? ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 04:01
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SDOIT by far. My favourite DT-release after 1994. |
Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 05:58
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6 degress is probably best album by DT. I can imagine that if they would get rid of all Metallica stuff and make 1CD album - it would definitely be their best.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 06:24
| Six Degrees is more interesting than Octavarium, IMO. |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 09:17
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Six degrees Disc 2 is best IMO, then Octavarium, the Six degrees Disc 1. I voted for Six degrees.
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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 11:04
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Easy. SDOIT is a masterpiece. I would rather crap myself on a date with a model than listen to Octovarium. ------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday |
Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 11:25
Poppy metal.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: July 21 2006 at 12:08
 Now I know how much you hate it.-------------
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Posted By: titico
Date Posted: July 22 2006 at 00:14
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Wow difficult choice!!! I love those tow albums there are pieces of art, like all Dream Theater albums but my vote is for Octavarium is their lastest album. It has some different music in this Octavarium, more classical an Symphonic, it is composed so niceley that I can hear it all days!! DREAM ROCKS! ------------- Take me As I AM! From Venezuela or Italia? Both! |
Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: July 22 2006 at 01:07
 Probaly Never Enough is a poppy metal song, but TROAE, its pretty mid-heavy metal for me..------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg">
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 22 2006 at 11:42
| Six Degrees is my favourite Dream Theater album.Octavarium is good though. |
Posted By: progressive
Date Posted: July 22 2006 at 14:41
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meaning the song 6? (sorry, i posted two times accidentally)------------- 
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Posted By: progressive
Date Posted: July 22 2006 at 14:42
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all (maybe) songs on 6degr. are better... well, panick attack and "octavarium" are very good. and 6 is my favourite besides scenes2 -------------
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 12:17
| Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulance |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 13:54
same album, different disc. ------------- |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 14:10
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Not a difficult choice at all....6 Degrees by a MILE.Besides Scenes from a Memory I think SDoIT is one of Dream Theater's best albums. -------------  |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: July 27 2006 at 16:58
I like Six Degrees more than I like Scenes From a Memory, I think Six Degrees would recieve much more of the acclaim it deserved if it would've been separated from Scenes a little bit. Six Degrees is more known as "the album after Scenes" rather than the amibitious and experimental album it is. -------------
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Posted By: Asphalt
Date Posted: July 28 2006 at 03:27
| well, i guess Six Degrees is winning by a long one; not really surprising i say; it is one of their most ambitious, although flawed records; not masterpiece but pretty good; Octavarium however is neither of those |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: August 28 2006 at 03:49
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octavarium is ok but six.. is far better.. |
Posted By: Sloth
Date Posted: August 28 2006 at 21:28
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6 degrees is leaps and bounds ahead of Octavarium! ------------- BUH!!! It's what the Buffalo say! |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 00:40
| i'm not sure if this is asking about the album or the song. but i think either way i'd go with six degrees of inner turbulance. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 07:54
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Six Degrees without doubt, Octavarium is a very poor album IMO. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 17:05
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.
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Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 19:20
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Six degrees easily... ------------- 
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Posted By: Dr4Wazo
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 21:35
I hated Octavarium but I finally love some of the songs since I heard "SCORE".  I vote for Six Degrees, one of my fav from DT. ------------- 
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 22:53
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Anything over plagiarism.
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:19
Yeah, that's why I don't listen to extreme metal anymore.  -------------
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:26
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you do know what I'm referring to right Vincent? and just curious who you are referring to for example, who exactly has Meshuggah plagiarized Allan holdsworth is the closest i can think of, in relation to thordendal's solo's which have a similar quality to them I don't listen to plagiarized stuff, and if I find out it has been, id stop listening to it and listen ot the original ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:31
How about Tool for a start. Playing the same rythmns with a guitar in a lower tuning isn't exactly original. 99% of Extreme Metal (not necessarily Extreme Prog Metal) is plagarized. It's an open minor scale with a lot of distortion and constant bass drum hits on a double pedal. -------------
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:35
well yes true, i dont exactly listen to that though And Tool? hmm I dont think so. You are stretching the term plagiarism a bit. Thats like saying because they play guitars/bass/drums they are plagiarisng. Tool has one of the most unreproduceable sounds. Especially considering the uniqueness of manyard's voice and the typically strange tonal choices of Adam Octavarium taking several parts from Muse and trying to copy everything about them = specific example of plagiarism that should not be tolerated in the music community here You can bash extreme metal all you want, I don't listen to bands like Cryptopsy and etc., but that still doesnt take away from the fact that its a FACT that DT plagiarized another band. Blaming other bands for doing it doesn't make the fact that DT did it less worse. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:39
You're forgetting one thing, plagarism quotes sources. Mike Portnoy has publicly stated that "I Walk Beside You" and "Never Enough" are respectively tributes to U2 and Muse. If you understand the point behind Octavarium being somewhat of a tribute to Dream Theater's influences of the past 20 years, you might appreciate it more. I would like you to explain where matierial on Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, Awake, Falling Into Infinity, and Images and Words is plagarized. Saying a band "plagarizes" because their "20th Anniversary Album" pays tribute to influences is...well bullsh*t. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:39
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Until you provide me with scored for Octavarium and whatever Muse song they copied, what you're saying is conjecture and sounds rather biased. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:42
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Six Degrees for me... in my top 3 favorite DT albums. 6DOIT epic vs. Octavarium epic... same, 6DOIT wins. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:51
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Pretty sure I only discussed Octavarium and none of their other work, which is not plagiarized from my knowledge. Way to make assumptions about the whole band when I talk about a specific work. I have the CD, please show me the liner notes where it says that those songs are sourced. Did I miss an extra sleeve? Sourcing correctly, and even not doing so, could still qualify as plagiarism. EXAMPLE: If i was to copy Einsteins' relativitry theory and release it as my own and later say, well Einstein really influenced me and my ideas. Guess what, it would still be plagiarism. @stonebeard Conjecture? It's pretty widely recognized. I'm not the only one who picked up on it, I just happen to be one of the more vocal ones. Maybe its cause of my more or less disdain with the projects the band has had since the departure of Kevin Moore. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: August 29 2006 at 23:54
Yes, you made that very clear when you posted this.
Now how exactly do all of us non-psychoanalytic-mind-readers know what you're talking about. Next time try expressing yourself with a sentance, it's much much clearer. -------------
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 00:05
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"anything" implied to the original poll question... as in SDOIT was my vote... sorry for the confusion ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: xtopher
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 03:51
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Well... um... I know nobody's gonna listen to me, but the overall
concept behind Octavarium must be taken into consideration when you
begin to talk about musical "plagiarism." The concept of course dealt with the cyclicity of the universe, how everything that goes up must come down, etc... And of course the universe of Dream Theater deals largely with its influence and with bands that have excited them over the years. So "Never Enough" is done in the style of a Muse song, but with the delivery and touch of coming from Dream Theater. This is completely by design—Muse's sound is in effect coming "full circle" through DT. In fact, this isn't that far from what all of music really is. Without influence from another artist, music doesn't evolve—there would just be an absence of ideas. A band digs another band's sound and makes it their own. And if Dream Theater isn't copying Muse or whoever note-for-note, there's nothing illegal taking place. So there's no plagiarism. (Besides, why would Portnoy and co. be stupid enough to perform a Muse song and call it their own??) If there's still any doubt to the validity of DT's work on Octavarium as their own, then look at Steve Morse's "Major Impacts" and "Major Impacts 2." With these albums, he pays homage to his favorite influences (John McLaughlin, Alex Lifeson, Kansas, Cream, etc.) through original compositions played in the style of his influences. But I wouldn't dare call any of them "plagiarism", as the fact that Morse gives his signature playing and songwriting abilities gives a unique twist to a familiar style. Same with DT and Octavarium. ------------- 
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Posted By: xtopher
Date Posted: August 30 2006 at 04:02
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I have now realized I should answer the poll question. Ok. 6DoIT (album) > Octavarium (album) BUT Octavarium (song) > 6DoIT disc 1 > 6DoIT disc 2 > Octavarium tracks 1-7 6DoIT's disc 1 was mostly experimental, but also among my favorite stretches by DT (behind last four tracks on I&W, "Fatal Tragedy" thru "Dance of Eternity" on SfaM, and "Octavarium" song itself). But I've gotta be honest: while disc 2 is EXTREMELY beautifully orchestrated (not kidding; it's awesome), some parts are a little amelodic and tedious. -------------
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