Jesus Christ Superstar?!
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Topic: Jesus Christ Superstar?!
Posted By: RaúlGuate
Subject: Jesus Christ Superstar?!
Date Posted: July 19 2006 at 20:08
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This is about the original version. I agree with easy livin, it should be included in the various artists section |
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Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 06:08
| Definitely, in the VA section! |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 06:11
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Hardly.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 10:40
| I'm not sure, though I would be inclined to say yes, due to the presence of my beloved Ian Gillan. I love the music a lot, though, as it was one of the soundtracks of my teenage years. |
Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: August 01 2006 at 10:43
It's a Musical - not Prog! [I know it can't be Prog because my sister adores it   ] |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: August 16 2006 at 11:47
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I'm late at this poll, cause I only recently heard the music (as well as the film)
from the moment I heard it first time, I've been thinking of a way to get this into PA... not in the VA, because it's by a single artist, Andrew Lloyd Weber... (maybe a duo with Tim Rice)
not in a Andrew Llloyd weber page, 'cause apparently his other works are not that prog at all (I'd kill me if I see Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat here!!!)
maybe a new category - Rock Operas- should be added, because it's a genre clocely related with prog, IMHO... this way we will also find the way to sneak The Who in, by Tommy and Quadrophenia
 (and I believe many serious prog fans will share my idea that both albums would fit in here nicely!)damn, I just can't get "The Last Supper" out of my head!!! ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: August 16 2006 at 11:53
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It's very prog (IMHO). I think it fits the sites definition. I also don't believe it belongs in the VA section. It was a specific group of composers and performers. There was some talk aboult a specific album section. Perhaps it should be something like honorable mention. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: August 16 2006 at 12:07
| I don't think it should be included. In my opinion, it is not Prog. On the other hand, maybe it fits for "Prog Related", because there are some relations to Prog... |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 16 2006 at 13:45
It's not actually by them Bilek, they are the composers. No other album here is categorised by composer, so Various Artists remains the obvious location.
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Bilek wrote:Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: August 18 2006 at 10:28
Why don't you simply get it there, then
 ?hmm.. I always thought it was a A.L. Webber T.Rice album. anyway, since you don't list albums by composers, VA would be fine...
Thanks, Bob. ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 11 2006 at 11:02
| Any more views? |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: October 11 2006 at 11:04
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^^ you are very interesting sort of person, Bob!! ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 11 2006 at 11:08
You clearly don't know me at all!
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Posted By: RaúlGuate
Date Posted: October 11 2006 at 16:49
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I thought this topic was already long forgotten... I'm glad it's still alive though. Anyway, even though I'm not as in love with JCS as I was before, I still think is very progressive and prog |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 12 2006 at 12:16
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Good to see the bespectacled one, Hank B Marvin might get in via the back door.......................... BTW was Evita (e.g. Judy Covington) originally put together as a studio album, as was Joseph and JCSS, before ever reaching the stage?
Like the idea of a rock opera section, (solved the problem wrt the Who, Pete Townshend solos - e.g Lifehouse Project, White City, Iron Man ,Pretty Things, Keith West's Teenage Opera, the Kinks, and indeed the jazz/hiphop release by Soweto Kinch, Tales Of A Tower Block B19, Carla Bley's Escalator Over The Hill, etc.) although need to think this out wrt those artists already here under their own names.
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Posted By: Atomic_Rooster
Date Posted: May 14 2007 at 23:21
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how is that prog, its not even one of his better musicals - the lyrics are TERRIBLE and the music is hardly progressive, Tommy by the Who is a more progressive theatrical rock show than JCSuperstar. Weber does have some proggier other stuff though that is worth consideration for addition. ------------- I am but a servant of the mighty Fripp, the sound of whose loins shall forever be upon the tongues of his followers. |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: May 14 2007 at 23:25
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Does anyone else think that Jesus Christ Superstar reminds them of Magma? I do. -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: May 15 2007 at 08:49
Yeah I agree, an excellent album. It is worthy of inclusion in the archives - more than can be said for any of ALW's other works. ------------- 'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.' |
Posted By: akin
Date Posted: May 15 2007 at 18:02
| I vote for adding because there is some good prog music in it. VA would be a good place. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 08:25
That's already here, if you mean the Variations (actually performed by Colosseum II + guests)
...and JCS is the first proper Rock opera, with recitative, aria, big choruses, far-out plot where the hero dies at the end - everything - unlike Tommy, which isn't an opera at all, but a set of pop songs that happen to tell a story about some kid who's good at pinball - hell, Joseph and His Amazing Technicolor dreamcoat is a better example of a rock opera than Tommy, even if it does have a happy ending (and it was written before Tommy).
I don't see what's so terrible about Rice's lyrics - a bit corny maybe, but have you heard Rick Wakeman's solo stuff, or "The Magician's Birthday" by Uriah Heep?
/runs away very fast from Easy Livin's well-aimed boot...
The first release with Ian Gillan singing the part of Jesus is pretty good - if a bit long and rambling... but hey, we're talking about Prog Rock here... ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 09:13
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A "no" from me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 09:16
I can't see why it should not be included - it was ground breaking when it was
released - or should I say - controversial - and it has some great proggy music moments. But I am not ready for Andrew Lloyd Webber to be added to PA!! ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 10:35
 Not so sure about Joseph & the Technicolor stuff, because only one factor, presence of Jason Donovan (hell, acting Joseph!) made me run away a thousand miles! (and I happen to like the Biblical story...)
And thanks for clarifying the lyrics thing, this opera has some of the most beautiful lyrics ever, even the cheesy Herod's Song has its moments, lyrically! (the piece sounds out of place, because the music was actually taken from a previous abolished project..) Unless, of course, you're a great Bible opponent, in which case that causes you to hate every thing with a Biblical reference! (the JCS opera does not promote mainstream Christian doctrines, mind you!) ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: May 16 2007 at 17:11
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Yes, for the sake of completeness and comprehension of the website. We need prog, it's relations, movements, influences and works parallel in timeline that are overlaping to some extent to better understand the genre itself. So, definitive yes for inclusion, but in which section - that needs to be discussed. I'm not sure myself. ------------- |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 02:49
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I think it's a clear case for "Various Artists" - we couldn't possibly have Andrew Lloyd Weeber in the archives, as I for one would be violently ill. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 02:57
Can I make that two for a sick-bucket please??? 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 03:04
Jesus Christ Superstar has many Prog moments:
I believe the ORIGINAL OPERA deserves a place here in VARIOUS ARTISTS. As somebody said before, Prog influencedd different aspects of music, we already have a musical called The War of the Worlds, so it would not be the first case (I'm not usibg the if X then why not Y argument, only explaining this is not the first case) and it's clear that Anfrew Lloyd Weber took Prog influence FOR THIS OPERA.
No way we should add ALW only JCS!!!!!!!!!!
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 03:04
Can we just clear a couple of things up........ Joseph and his technicolourdreamcoat is NOT,and (never was, never could be) and OPERA. ditto for JCS and even Godspell (Which I enjoy) When I first saw Joseph on stage in 1976, (I dare say Jason Donovan was still an Aussie School boy at the time) I was dissapointed even then. If Lloyd Webber gets into PA........ well........I shall be stunned, and I shall eat my hat! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 03:27
BTW, I think that "Joseph..." is at least as much an opera as, say, Tommy (but I don't want to see the Who here either). ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 04:09
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i don't think it should be included here but it reminds me of the 1995-today Savatage era that are included here but it doesn't matter cause i don't think that Savatage should be included here either... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 04:25
FYI: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=847 - Savatage is here because they are a prog-metal band, not because they make so-called rock operas ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 04:31
i wouldn't call them prog metal either..  ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 04:50
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Various Artists -> Concepts (but that's not to say I like it very much, if at all)
ps: Savatage: Dead Winter Dead is most definitely Prog Metal IMHO, the others not so. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 04:52
 and not just those: The album has a very strong characteristic of prog suites; i.e. recurring themes all around: like the "I Don't Know How to Love Him" reprise in Judas' Death, the second "Everything's Alright", neither of which songs are prog in their own right but add a sense of continuity/coherence to the album... Also, reprise of the melody sung by Jesus (our beloved Gillan
) at the end of "Simon Zealotes/Poor Jerusalem" at the next track by Pilates adds a unique sense... I also feel feel a proggy sense in Simon Zealotes, and I like the reprised part very much, though not "prog" in the strictest sense  I should add the "Hosanna" reprise in the second disc (Trial Before Pilate?), which IMHO is a very strong piece in both places... -well, Hosanna was certainly better in the movie with its full version- . Also "The Temple"... Features Gillan in his characteristic loud and high pitched voice, one of the strongest pieces in the album... (ironically, it was covered back in the mid '70's by a Turkish female pop singer into a lousy pop song! Lyrics were re-written, absolutely no hint of the concept was found
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First, The War of the Worlds argument is rahter unstable (though I also accept the similarities between the two albums... add to them Jeff Wayne's second "solo" effort Spartacus, which is nowhere near good as the first of course, and we can loosely relate 666, because of the concept and various singers singing various parts...) because Jeff Wayne is here as a seperate artist... Nothing to do with "X is here why not Y" argument; each one of the three albums I mentioned above, along with JCS have their own merits to be included in progarchives! (though we can consider Spartacus as Love Beach of JW!... It's a prog album nevertheless, a bad one, but still prog
)Second: for all who argues against A L Webber's inclusion as an artist: A L Webber is already http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=10885 - here by one album in VA section (apparently recorded by the collaboration of Colosseum members!!!), so please drop your weapons
... Even the worst artist, let's say one that is remotest to prog, can produce proggy works; as Ivan always quotes Rolling Stones' "Their Satanic Majesties Request", and even Bruce Springsteen is said to have made prog at one time... (I heard neither albums, speaking based on assumptions ) In the two cases, we don't have a chance to include RS or "Boss", because the bulk of their material is not even remotely prog-related. But as for Webber, there's already one entry (oh, who am I speaking to, it is Certif1ed who added the album and wrote the first review!!!) i.ei Various Artists section already accommodates one of his works, so why not for another one ? (which clearly deserves it IMHO)In the bottom line I happened to agree with Certif1ed anyway
(Ivan's last line in the quote: yeah, only JCS is enough! I may stir the water in time as I progress in listening to his other stuff, but this is unlikely, as none of the other ALW "rock operas" seem prog enough, based on the reviews I read so far!)
last edit: it's good that I wrote this post, in case the album is added, now here I have half of a possible review I'll write for the album ------------- Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 17 2007 at 12:23
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NO Bilek 666 is an Aphrodite's Child Concept album not a Rock Opera or a Musical in any eay, there are only two artists invited Irene Pappas who has an orgarsm during nearly 5 minutes and the son of a Greek Diplomat (Name uncredited) who narrates part of a song.......BUT THEY ARE INVITED SINGERS.
The main element of a Rock Opera or a musical relies in the DIALOGUE, you can find them in Jesus Christ Superstar and in The War of the Worlds but not a single dialogue in 666.
So there's no connection between them, I believe you can compare JCS with Jeff Wayne's work and 666 with The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.......Two different species, the first two are Rock Operas (Or the related musical) and the last two are CONCEPT albums.
I agree with all the rest Bilek
BTW: Gethsemmane is one of the best Prog songs I ever heard.
Iván -------------
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