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Topic: Amplifiers.
Posted By: selling_echoes
Subject: Amplifiers.
Date Posted: December 17 2004 at 21:24

I bought a Fender Strat this summer, but due to vacation mobilisation and luggage limit, I couldn't buy an amp as well.

Keeping in mind the budget of a 16 year old, and the parental authorities with their acoustic endurances, which brands / watts would you suggest?

Thanks!



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Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: December 17 2004 at 23:43
I have a Fender Frontman 15R with Reverb that I'm looking to sell in the near future... if you're interested.

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Posted By: selling_echoes
Date Posted: December 17 2004 at 23:50
Depends on the $$ 


Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: December 18 2004 at 10:37
i'd sell it to you for.... between $80 and $90, but that doesn't include shipping. Its a nice amp to start out with thats not one of those $60 amps thats got about 10 amps that you couldn't even hear from the other side of the room. This one that I have has a distortion/overdrive setting, has reverb, and your basic bass/mid/treble settings.


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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: December 18 2004 at 11:07
relatively cheap and extremely cheerful is the Laney
LC15. This is a 15w valve amp featuring 2 EL84s
and with hi and lo inputs and onboard reverb.
It's a very nice little amp that will give you 'real' tone
on a budget.
While it's not up there with the little Fender all valve
amp (can't remember its name) it will give you valve
tone cheaply and valves are where its at.
Even cheaper and maybe of more interest to you if
you're budget is really tight is a new 15 watt valve
amp from Behringer, the Vintage AC108. according
their website behringer.com the canadian retail price
is Can$89 which is a still a steal.
They describe it thus:
VINTAGER AC108 boasts a 15-Watt power section
with a hand-selected vacuum tube feeding a 20-Watt
8" vintage-tuned guitar speaker. Despite its compact
size, it produces an abundance of power and the
distinct pleasure of classic tube sound.
With a dedicated 2-band EQ plus mid-shift button for
creative sound-shaping and a CD input, the AC108
not only sounds great, it allows you to play along to
your favorite music. Add a dedicated master level
control and a powerful headphone output, and you’re
ready to get your music going.
Sounds good and in tandem with their cheap and
incredibly versatile x-v-amp modelling pedal
Can$109 rrp (amps, cabs etcx) they could be a
combination that might be all you need.


Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: December 19 2004 at 16:43

Maybe it's not what you're looking for, but I highly recommend getting a pair of headphones and a modelling unit instead of a practice amp. I use the Line6 POD almost exclusively, but the Johnson J-station is great too- they're discontinued now, so you can get one for under $100 with a little searching. There's a lot of other inexpensive choices...I know a lot of people who love their Korg Pandora, for instance.

They're more versatile and sound better than any practice amp at a comparable price. Plus, if you do eventually get into a performing situation, you can pick up a power amp and a cabinet and still keep the sounds you like. I know for a fact that the POD sounds better than most amps when it's run through a 4x12" cab. 



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Posted By: selling_echoes
Date Posted: December 20 2004 at 20:05
Gee. All the technical vocabulary - I don't know what sounds good...  I only know the fact that I want something to come out of my guitar - the whole question was what would be a good amp / other option that sounds good and costs under 150$ CND?


Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: December 21 2004 at 04:41

Whoops...I could have been a little clearer, huh?

If you don't mind the fact that nobody else will be able to hear you (unless you let them borrow your headphones or plug into something with speakers), the headphone amps are great choices. Almost all of them have things like "amp and speaker simulators" which make it sound like you're playing through much more expensive equipment, and you can wail to your heart's content in the middle of the night even with people sleeping a few feet away. And if you stick with the guitar, a good headphone amp can still be useful later on...whereas you'll probably outgrow a little practice amp pretty quickly.

The ones I've liked are the Line6 POD (the new ones are probably over your price range, but used ones are much cheaper and there's thousands of them on eBay, for instance), and the Johnson J-station (used, under $100 US).

There's also the Korg Pandora: they have a few different models..the newest is the PX4...the PX3 is a year older but still very cool and probably right around your spending limit, and the older PX2 is even cheaper...probably about half of what you're willing to spend.

And Zoom has the 505II which is even cheaper (around $50-60 US) and will definitely do the job.

But if you don't want to wear headphones to hear yourself play, I recommend the Line6 Spider II practice amp. It's right on the edge of your price range, but it's got good sounds at any volume and a headphone jack (just in case it's still not quiet enough to keep the parents happy).



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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 21 2004 at 16:49

I totally agree - Line 6 Pods are AMAZING - with a capital AMAZING.

It's like owning a set of great amps (and effects) - and you can stick it through any cheap practice amp and it'll still sound great. Plug it into a computer running almost any sequencing software and it sounds utterly professional.

I haven't checked out their Pod/Amp combis, but I'd bet they're pretty unbeatable for the pirce.



Posted By: selling_echoes
Date Posted: December 21 2004 at 20:00


Thanks.
Will get news-paper hunting for "Pods".


Posted By: asuma
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 02:44
you can buy a 10W Marshall guitar amp for about 40
bucks

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:01

You can buy a 1W Marshall for $35 - guaranteed not to annoy the parents!

http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--MSHMS2 - http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--MSHMS2

/edit: I've got one and it's not bad - just not very loud!



Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: December 23 2004 at 11:48
I had a Pignose that was fun...it sounded terrible, but so did my playing at the time. I think it was more useful as a gimmick to pick up chicks than it was as a musical device.

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Posted By: Squirrel_monkey
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 15:59
I just bought my new synth but can't afford an amp or anything at the moment. I've been plugging in a microphone and tying it to my head!

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 07 2005 at 06:13

Have you tried plugging the synth into your PC and listening through the PCs speakers?



Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: January 07 2005 at 12:35
Or through your hi-fi?

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 12 2005 at 11:48
I am the proud owner of a Fender Hot-Rod Deluxe.


Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 13 2005 at 09:59

Originally posted by redbar89 redbar89 wrote:

I am the proud owner of a Fender Hot-Rod Deluxe.

Cool redbar. Got a pic to show us? 



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 14 2005 at 10:44
Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

Originally posted by redbar89 redbar89 wrote:

I am the proud owner of a Fender Hot-Rod Deluxe.

Cool redbar. Got a pic to show us? 

Sorry I don't. I have neither a digital camera or a scanner to get a picture of my beasty amplifier, but here's one I found on Google image:

 



Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 14 2005 at 15:27

SCHWEEEEET!!!!

 

 

Here's the gear I use in the studio (we don't do live work at the present - I'm too busy being a daddy!)

click the pictures for technical info...

 

My current guitar setup

http://www.line6.com/podxtpro/US/">

 

My bass setup

 



Posted By: bokal
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 07:52

I don't know what are you going to play (only prog, or hard rock, or something else?) but I can say that Fender Deluxe or (better) Deville are really good, but I'm a Marshall man!

I play bass and I use a Marshall Superbass JCM800 combined with a 100W case and the sound is great. I can say the same thing for guitar, using JCM900 Lead.

I'm don't like too much digital effects as used by "Certif1ed" but I'm a raw freak rocker (I use big muff, echoes, phaser and so on)!



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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 11:53
tube amp rules!


Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 17:06
If I had the cash I'd get a Cornford Harlequin. Man these guys sound fantastic.



http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun00/articles/cornford.htm - http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun00/articles/cornford.ht m





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Posted By: The Silent Man
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 10:51
Has anyone got a Flextone III, from Line 6.

I got the big f***er, stereo speakers, 150W XL. I like it lots but does anyone find the Marshall models a bit flat? They just don't have any bite or... oomph, or something is missing. It's the same with a lot of the models. The Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier is the one I like though. It sounds nice and bright. It'll have to do until I can afford a real Mesa Boogie!!

Anyone got any tips for some interesting Flextone settings?


Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 12:04
Originally posted by The Silent Man The Silent Man wrote:

Has anyone got a Flextone III, from Line 6.

I got the big f***er, stereo speakers, 150W XL. I like it lots but does anyone find the Marshall models a bit flat? They just don't have any bite or... oomph, or something is missing. It's the same with a lot of the models. The Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier is the one I like though. It sounds nice and bright. It'll have to do until I can afford a real Mesa Boogie!!

Anyone got any tips for some interesting Flextone settings?


Welcome Silent Man. The guitarist in my band has a Flextone III, I'll ask him over the weekend and see if he agrees.



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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 20:20
I do know I have to turn the bass way down on my Line6 POD or eveything sounds way too 'boxy'. The Marshalls aren't quite right, and I think it's the upper mids...a little extra EQ up there might help you out. I've also found that running through a gain stage (like a preamp or EQ pedal or even just a distortion pedal) really beefs up the POD sounds, though you lose a little smoothness on the heavy tones. 

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Posted By: The Silent Man
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 21:53
Hey, thanks for your tips. As you can see I'm new to this forum. I've been checking out progarchives for ages! I'm glad I started joining in this. You're right about the upper mids. I found a very old Boss Overdrive pedal and just plugged it in with the eq set up nicely and I can already spot a more lively tone. Perhaps I'll look at getting some sort of eq. I think that the amp just lacks colour. It drives nicely, it was just flat. What amps are you using? Can you do better for the same amount of money? I like to get a huge clean sound that can break windows but I need to have a very smooth distortion with sounding too metal with plenty of sustain. ( I use a US Strat with Kinman pickups)


Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 06:12

For clean, it's hard to beat the Fenders...I personally love a good Twin. Fender distortion never really did it for me on its own, though.

For 'natural' amp distortion, the best thing I ever played was a Carvin Legacy. But I didn't spend too much time with it, so I don't know how it that well.



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Posted By: rexsvecia
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 09:03
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I totally agree - Line 6 Pods are AMAZING - with a capital AMAZING.

It's like owning a set of great amps (and effects) - and you can stick it through any cheap practice amp and it'll still sound great. Plug it into a computer running almost any sequencing software and it sounds utterly professional.

I haven't checked out their Pod/Amp combis, but I'd bet they're pretty unbeatable for the pirce.

I would definitely go for the POD. As stated, with this thingie you can get really great sounds and not disturb anyone (and plug your CD into it and jam with your fav records).

AND, when/if you think you need an amp in the future you have great set of stomp boxes and other cool effects!



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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 31 2005 at 15:30

Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

I do know I have to turn the bass way down on my Line6 POD or eveything sounds way too 'boxy'. The Marshalls aren't quite right, and I think it's the upper mids...a little extra EQ up there might help you out. I've also found that running through a gain stage (like a preamp or EQ pedal or even just a distortion pedal) really beefs up the POD sounds, though you lose a little smoothness on the heavy tones. 

I've been noticing that too - mostly we just add some top in post, as we only do studio work, but recently I've been getting more adventurous in what I ask from my Pod, and have to kill the bass as there's just too much.



Posted By: the musical box
Date Posted: February 02 2005 at 08:48

My current setup was "orchestrated" by my dad (although i can play well, i dont understand the techniqualities of gear): a Fender SuperAmp from the late 60's (like this, but better condition):

He then somehow runs this through an overdrive pedal and an old Korg synth....I dont get it but it works well!



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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: February 02 2005 at 10:16

I've got an old, old Vox AC30 and it just about does it all as far I'm concerned. Bright, glassy clean tones with just the right amount of edge through to super-creamy overdrives. To boost I use an Ibanez Tube Screamer.

I do have a Fender Stage 112SE solid state 160w monster I used to use for some live work and i must admit I like the clean tones and even the gain stage on it (though solid state) is quite nice, definitely different but quite usable - they were doing something they called 'tube tone' or something at the time (mid 90s)

For recording at home nowadays though, I use a Korg AX1000G - as a modelling processor it's a bit long in the tooth now but I can work it and get some nice tones, though the wah pedal is pretty rubbish.

 



Posted By: clemdallaway
Date Posted: February 07 2005 at 14:08

One of the best amps for a beginner is the fender bullet, its only 15 watts, but has a good sound for a little amp. If you are planning on playing in a band then you will better off with something a bit bigger, look at aroung 50 watts to start.

I use a Laney Linebacker 100watt with twin celestion speakers, has a great sound especially when I use my old Zoom 4040 with it!!!!!!!!!



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