maradona vs pele
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Topic: maradona vs pele
Posted By: martinprog77
Subject: maradona vs pele
Date Posted: June 18 2006 at 16:51
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for me maradona ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: June 18 2006 at 18:29
| "El Diego" |
Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: June 18 2006 at 23:03
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The two are most likely the best players of football there have been ..
but Maradona is overall a superior player with impeccable passes,
phenomenal precision, ability to perforate defenses, etc etc ..., even
if his physique and shooting power isn't as good as Pele. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 18 2006 at 23:17
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Pele.... he was awesome in that Stallone movie...
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 00:04
| Maradona |
Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 00:52
 ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
micky wrote:Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 03:38
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Pele
he was as classy on the field as off the field
 can't say the same for Primadonna  ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 04:13
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Easily Pele. Maradona was brought down by the hand of god and cocaine. How's that good for football? Pele's the best ever, 1000 goals is just incredible. ------------- 
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 04:19
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Pele ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg"> 
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Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 06:20
Agreed. ------------- http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/contentChapterView.asp?chapter=309" rel="nofollow - Humanism |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 06:36
Still sore about that one, uh
 Yup, the man is a classless bumbling idiot as soon as he is off thefield , and a talented cheater on it ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 10:03
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Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 13:07
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Pele!! ------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 19 2006 at 18:30
hahah.. I've got an emoticon for ya...  ..... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 18:18
Although Im from Argentina I wont say maradona,nor Pele for that matter...as I havent really seen much from the last one... But you know? Its true, Maradona did (or still does, I dont know ) drugs...but he said it. Myth has it Pele did cocaine also, yet never said anything about it...to keep in mind And, why are you talking about this guys personal lifes? Ist their hability in the field waht counts? ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: June 20 2006 at 21:56
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D.A.M. ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: June 24 2006 at 03:28
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Puskás, Hidegkuti, Kocsis... Out of this two Pelé. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 24 2006 at 04:56
Surely if he'd been any good, he would have scored! |
Posted By: Guzzman
Date Posted: June 24 2006 at 06:14
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Pele, because he was the most elegant player the world has seen as of today.
------------- "We've got to get in to get out" |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 24 2006 at 18:44
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When you find a three times world champion with more than 1,000 goals and who is a gentleman inside and outside the field, then compare him with Pelé, before.......don't even try.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: June 24 2006 at 18:52
| They got nothing on Johan Cruiff !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 25 2006 at 20:44
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Pele is very much overrated and overhyped, on the other part, Maradonna was golden. |
Posted By: bsurmano
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 05:29
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Pele, by far. ------------- 'Sundown,yellow moon, I replay the past I know every scene by heart, they all went by so fast..... Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm gettin' soft.' Bob Dylan |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 11:20
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Both players had legendary skill on the field, but Pele represents everything good about football and is a true Gentleman, whearas Madonna had the greatest cheek football has ever known!!
Gary Lineker recently visited Maradonna and they had a giggle about the "Hand of God" incident, though i could tell Gary was still a bit peeved about it - though i blamed the Ref!! -------------  Prog Archives Tour Van 
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: June 26 2006 at 11:21
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pele, because he was a gent and not a cheating git. ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: Marcos
Date Posted: February 19 2007 at 14:14
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Maradona, the man who flies.
When Pelé played, the soccer was slowest. Pelé was good, but... ------------- www.postmortemweb.com.ar |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: February 19 2007 at 14:17
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¿What about "Madonna vs Pelé"?. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: andu
Date Posted: February 19 2007 at 14:24
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I've seen neither of them playing, and documentaries aren't good enough. Guess I'll have to settle with Zidane, Baggio, Matthaus, Hagi, Stoichkov, Bergkamp, Figo...
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: February 19 2007 at 14:26
Maradona was golden with a stuffed nose.. take the white powder away from him and he's toast ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: February 19 2007 at 14:32
I'd say Pele is more attractive
------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 19 2007 at 17:55
this isn't even close.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Fede
Date Posted: February 19 2007 at 21:19
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It's completely obvious that all the guys from England voted/will vote for Pele because of reasons that we already know, and that's why Pele is winning the poll. But, c'mon, let's face it: Maradona was, is and will be THE BEST football player ever. P-E-R-I-O-D ------------- 
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Posted By: martinn
Date Posted: February 19 2007 at 21:27
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The Brits write: Pele, because he was a Gentleman.. Yeah, right.. ------------- 
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 19 2007 at 22:04
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How about Franz Beckenbauer? I am very serious; I have seen a special video made for his 50th birthday, and there were some really amazing scenes in it. The one I liked best was when he had the ball and was looking for someone he could pass it to when he was attacked by a player of the opponent's team. He made one simple movement, and the attacker ran past him without really noticing what had happened or where the ball had gone; then he made one of his wide passes. I never saw anything so cool again, not from Pele or Maradona or anyone else.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 00:43
Edson Arantes do Nascimento Pele is the king. Sorry but IMO Maradona is one of the worst things that could have ever happened to football, and I seen both play.
Other greats:
Iván -------------
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Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 02:19
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Both are great players, but i vote for Pele ------------- The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. |
Posted By: Marcos
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 08:29
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Iván! no le pegues a Maradona, que Reyna ya le pegó lo suficiente...
Sorry, I was writed in spanish  ------------- www.postmortemweb.com.ar |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 10:48
Yes, that game was embarrasing, Maradona got a a twin brother.
 But really, Maradona had a unique talent, it's a shame that with all the money, chances, help offered he went over and over and over.
Plus he is a jerk also, so that doesn't help him.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 14:14
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Edson Arantes Do Nascimento ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 14:17
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A good question would be how many of you have seen Pele playing? Oh, it's so easy to rush in and vote for Maradona because most of us saw him.... but take the oportunity to watch some tapes, to see the guy playing, then analyze statistics, analyze playing-abilities, heading, speed, dexterity with both legs, and a lot of other factors, and the answer is definite: Pele pwns Diego Armando, as you say. -------------
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 14:33
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In this poll I would like to focus on football skills so here's my opinion about Pele and Maradonna:
- although Pele (Edson Arantes Di Nascimento as I remember) was a superb player who scored an amazing amounts of goals (more than 1000) and who won many prizes, my vote goes to Maradonna ("El Diez") because he was more allround, his opponents were more determined to eliminate him (and so they did like in Spain
 ) and he was almost alone responsible for Argentina their World championship in 1986 with breathtaking moments and the best goal ever made  Watch this: http://www.joga.com/VideoView.aspx?videoDocId=17419827649588819863 - Videofragment Live is Life
And now I am going to watch Champions League: PSV versus Arsenal (unfortunately no Van Persie
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 14:56
| I prefer Pele.........he dont pele balls like me. |
Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 15:44
Pele 
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Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 18:42
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Maradona, no doubt about it, if you voted Pele, you just dont know nothing about football ------------- http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/sydbarrettg.jpg/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 18:50
To disqualify others' opinions is not a good way to build a civilized discussion. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 19:06
| Maradona made gols only with his left foot ,head,...and his hands |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 19:30
Uhm... I am for: La Formazione. In piedi, da sinistra a destra: Dino Zoff, Francesco Graziani, Giuseppe Bergomi, Gaetano Scirea, Fulvio Collovati, Claudio Gentile. Accosciati, da sinistra a destra: Bruno Conti, Paolo Rossi, Gabriele Oriali, Antonio Cabrini, Marco Tardelli. Graziani, infortunato, viene sostituito da Altobelli. C.T. (coach): Enzo Bearzot  Or for: PORTIERI: Buffon (Juventus), Peruzzi (Lazio), Amelia (Livorno) DIFENSORI: Zambrotta (Juventus), Nesta (Milan), Cannavaro (Juventus), Grosso (Palermo), Zaccardo (Palermo), Barzagli (Palermo), Materazzi (Inter), Oddo (Lazio) CENTROCAMPISTI: Camoranesi (Juventus), Pirlo (Milan), Gattuso (Milan), De Rossi (Roma), Perrotta (Roma), Barone (Palermo) ATTACCANTI: Totti (Roma), Toni (Fiorentina), Gilardino (Milan), Del Piero (Juventus), Inzaghi (Milan), Iaquinta (Udinese) RISERVE: De Sanctis (Udinese), Bonera (Parma), Marchionni (Parma), Semioli (Chievo) C.T. (coach): Marcello Lippi  official formation for the final.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 19:45
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For those who really love football, no matter the nationality or the color of the skin, I recommend seeing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFgkzOSBA2s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFgkzOSBA2s ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 20:05
And it's even worse if you're an argentinian -------------
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 20:09
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I voted for Maradona, purely because we share a birthday. Haha We all know that Shea Givens is the best goalkeeper who ever lived, thus making hime the best soccer player ever. ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 00:48
------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 12:22
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Pele!
plus he's nice bloke and a real ambassador for the sport.
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Posted By: Marcos
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 13:24
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Perhaps if you are American (the USA) you can bomb PA of civilized way...
...or censure this message
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Posted By: martinn
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 13:36
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^^or both!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 14:26
Oh, I'm ecuadorian my friend... I just came here a year ago... And I was only joking! There was a post by an argentinian guy who said that "if you don't vote maradona, you don't have any idea of futbol".... Now the comment in istelf was a little radical, and if we add the nationality factor.... there goes objectivity down the drain... Don't take offense when none is intended... -------------
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: February 21 2007 at 19:24
| About argentinians,..one day I SAW An ARGENTINIAN in ARGENTINA TALKING in a public telephone 30 MIN and I tired of wait ... and after . I ask ,..with who are you talking? He said ..with God.. and I SAID BUT THIS CONVERSATION IS VERY LONG..And he said ,no problem here in Argentina is a local call |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 00:11
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Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 01:08
Gôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôôl do Pelé.
Pelé is the greatest football player the world has ever seen. FIFA's Footballer of the Century.
Here's a scan of one of my Pelé stamps from 1969 celebrating his 1000th goal, and just below it is the great man's autograph done for me in Belo Horizonte in 1969, written on the back of an aerogramme because that was the only thing to hand. A real gentleman.
 EDIT:
Older members of the forum will remember that Pelé was often targeted by the opposing side and suffered some very nasty fouls. In the 1966 World Cup he was injured twice, being targeted in the games against Bulgaria and Portugal. He had to miss the game against Hungary because of his injuries from the Bugaria game. I remember it well. Pelé was so disgusted that he said he would not play again in the World Cup finals. Thankfully he changed his mind.
------------- http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=326" rel="nofollow - Read reviews by Fitzcarraldo |
Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 01:27
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Edson Arantes Do Nascimento Pelé ------------- 
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Posted By: Marcos
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 08:49
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Very "funny"... I would like to know how many "argentinians" you know, to speak thus on us...
About Maradona, you watch him to walking in the air. Observe you the speed which he was played. Maradona played in the era of physical soccer, of the mark soccer. When Pelé played, the teams were attack, they did not defend, did not train to defend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTMgxYC291E - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTMgxYC291E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w73pTAobU4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w73pTAobU4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIaqV20KVPg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIaqV20KVPg
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 12:39
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Posted By: Marcos
Date Posted: February 22 2007 at 13:49
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Ok, no problem! ------------- www.postmortemweb.com.ar |
Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: February 23 2007 at 20:10
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Good one, Mr. Herrera
Did you hear about the one in which Batistuta and Caniggia were asking Maradona who was God's sent and Maradona said: what?? but I didn't send anyone (pero si sho no he enviado a nadie!!)
EDIT: no offense to fellow argentinians  ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 23 2007 at 22:19
Marcos wrote:
Are you kidding? Pele was massacred during the English World Cup by a criminal Portuguese defence, probably the deffensive tactics were primitive but Football was far more permissive, there were no yellow or red cards, you had to killl the other player to be thrown, there were no sustitutions, so if you lost a player you had to stay with 10 guys.
Maradona throwed himself to the floor (Even if there was not another player in 30 meters), cried, called the refferee, looked at the linesman, shouted cried again, raised arms, made a scandal, shouted to the TV for 20 minutes denounced complots.
Pele received 10 times more fouls but just rised up and continued playing , I remember a game in which an Uruguayan player came ready to break Pele's leg in the first 5 minutes, Pele just rised an elbow and hit the guy right in the face, no other Uruguayan player tried to break him again.
That is the difference, while one cried, shouted talked about the Referee and how the whole world was against him, Pele continued playing without any scandal and was ready to answer, that was a complete player.
Maradona would had died in a pre 1970 World Cup with Portuguese or Uruguayan defenses that gave the lowest kick in the eyebrow, not to talk about the famous Argentinean Pincha Ratas who carried pins and needles to stick them into the enemy player ribs as they jumped to hit a ball with the head (Ask Bilardo, one of the dirtiest guys in history when playing for Estudiantes de la Plata).
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Posted By: Marcos
Date Posted: February 24 2007 at 13:24
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By chance, I'm an Estudiantes fan... i'm from La Plata. I can say there are a lot of lies about this 60's and 70's team. Some are true. But this team invented tactics and training ways. That is recognized by great technicians of the world as Rinus Michells ("Naranja Mecánica", Netherlands of 1974).
Please, don't forget Reyna, the guy from Perú
I understand that the Argentineans you do not love to us, and that weight. For that reason, I am not going to write more in this topic. It reaches to me with seeing Maradona to verify that he was the best one. ------------- www.postmortemweb.com.ar |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 24 2007 at 14:05
Marcos, don't take it so seriously, there's a special relation between Perú and Argentina that comes from Don José de San Martin who is our real freedom provider and was reinforced during the Malvinas war being Perú the only country that effectively supported Argentina.
But some things are facts,
Iván -------------
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: February 24 2007 at 18:29
| The best national selection in a world cup of soccer or football was the selection of Brazil in 1970 |
Posted By: almc2242
Date Posted: February 24 2007 at 20:00
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In the USA an athlete is measured not only by his performance on the
playing field. But also in his everyday life. Checkout M. Jordan, Nolan
Ryan, Joe Montana. these were, are and always will be heroes, unless
something happens. Then again, look at Pete Rose (Gambling), OJ
Simpson(will, we all know), Rae Carruth (Killed his pregnant wife) Pele is a gentlemen, Maradona well, not exactly |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 24 2007 at 21:41
Nah, it was the best team by far in that World Cup, but IMO not the best ever, the differences were too big no country could make them more than one goal except Perú that made 2.
The two best teams I remember:
1.-. France 1982: 1 GK Dominique Baratelli, 2 DF Manuel Amoros, 3 DF Patrick Battiston, 4 DF Maxime Bossis, 5 DF Gerard Janvion, 6 DF Christian Lopez, 7 DF Philippe Mahut, 8 DF Marius Trésor, 9 MF Bernard Genghini, 10 MF Michel Platini, 11 MF Rene Girard, 12 MF Alain Giresse, 13 MF Jean-Francois Larios, 14 MF Jean-Amadou Tigana, 15 FW Bruno Bellone, 16 FW Alain Couriol, 17 FW Bernard Lacombe, 18 FW Dominique Rocheteau, 19 FW Didier Six, 20 FW Gerard Soler, 21 GK Jean Castaneda, 22 GK Jean-Luc Ettori The perfect team, they deserved better luck if it wasn't for then most criminal penalty in the history of World Cups when Schumacher almost killed Battiston with a knee kick in the chest and a straight hit in face that caused the French player to be unconcious for several minutes and loose two teeth. To the astonishment of the world the Dutch referee Charles Corver marked goal kick instead of penalty and direct red card to Schumacher, it was a crime. 2.- Netherlands World Cup 1974 : 1. Ruud Geels 2. Arie Haan 3. Wim van Hanegem 4. Kees van Ierssel 5. Rinus Israël 6. Wim Jansen 7. Jan Jongbloed 9. Piet Keizer 10. René van de Kerkhof 11. Willy van de Kerkhof 12. Ruud Krol 13. Johan Neeskens 14. Johan Cruyff 15. Rob Rensenbrink 16. Johnny Rep 17. Wim Rijsbergen 18. Piet Schrijvers 19. Pleun Strik 20. Wim Suurbier 21. Eddy Treytel 22. Harry Vos
Probably the weakest link was Jongbloed and the lack of luck.
Those were two great teams.
Iván
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: February 24 2007 at 22:09
| My heros..Pele,Tostao,Rivelino,Jairzinho,Brito,Clodoaldo,Everaldo,Piazza,Gerson...Not Felix I prefer Zepp Maier . |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 24 2007 at 22:16
Yes I agree, all great players and also about Felix, I could never understand how Brazil could take two goalies as Felix and Leao that were so under the level of the rest of the team.
That's why once Rivelinho said that if you could make 4 goals to Brazil but you should be ready to receive 6, that team had a disbalance between attack and defense, they played with 4-3-3 system, imagine 3 forwards 2 attack miedfielders and only one defensive miedfielder., amazing and unvelievable today.
Tostao was out of this planet.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: markosherrera
Date Posted: March 08 2007 at 18:43
| Mradona is a genius ...because he appear when someone open a bottle......... |
Posted By: sircosick
Date Posted: March 25 2007 at 16:50
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XD! My vote was for Edson Arantes do Nascimento; he was a terrific header, and was capable to drive both legs with equally efficiency; things that Maradona doesn't have. |
Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: April 01 2007 at 09:43
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Pele!! ------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |