I've fallen in love with Paatos
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Topic: I've fallen in love with Paatos
Posted By: mghiotti
Subject: I've fallen in love with Paatos
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 09:15
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Hi guys, I'm new here, and I must say this place is a real inspiration for me. Thanks to everybody So, I've just bought Paatos - Kallocain, and I'm glad I've found this group I reckon from Sweden. They remind me a sort of Chroma Key. Perhaps they're not what can be called or labelled "prog" group, but to me their music is very both original and melancholic, which is something in the standard prog community really needs at the moment. I'm sick of these supposed prog bands which play as DT, latest version. Give me a break plaese. Where is that originality that was the benchmark and keystone of the 70's? I've read some posts on DT: do you think that playing prog music automatically means odd rhythms and fast major scales? This is just "evolved" heavy metal, but of course this is my personal opinion, and I'm ready to receive any criticism on that. Again, thanks for the incredible source of info you provide Marco |
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Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 11:10
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Great band. It doesn't hurt that the bass player is one of the biggest promotors of Prog in Sweden.
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Posted By: Quiet Drops
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 11:14
Incredible band, and you are right their music is 100 times more important than DT's
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Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 11:32
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Agreed! One of my favorites from Sweden, although I've yet to hear their most recent effort.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 11:34
I've fallen in love with Patronella's voice  I only have Kollacain and I liked it alot. But as times pases, to my ears they become more and more poppish after each listen. I don't mind that really, but they sound more pop than prog to my ears. Still good though. I'll try and get Time Loss since people praise it more than Kollacain. ------------- 
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 12:09
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Their first debut was a good one, I really liked the follow-up too, and the newest is a huge disappointment. Overall a decent group, but there are better ones!
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Posted By: Antennas
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 13:29
I fully agree with you - but I'm all in all a prog lover who enjoys genuine emotion, passion and melancholy a lot more than off-time scales, guitar shredding and other so-called 'awesome musicianship' anyway... 
"Timeloss" and "Kallocain" are must-haves! I'm sorry to say that indeed, their latest "Silence of Another Kind", turned out to be a disappointment to me as well. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 13:35
Dimle's main claim to fame would be that he was a member of Landberk
Try Timeloss (the debut where Reine Fiske - guitarist of Landberk was also in the group) as it sounds some much more inspired than Kallocain (which I must say i found plain boring)
Their third album just got released and is the same vein than Kallocain, but livelier
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Teaflax wrote:Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 14:22
I really like Paatos as well. Can you explain why their last album is a disappointment. I haven't heard it yet. If it's #*%& I'll give it a miss. ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: progreviews
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 15:59
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Timeloss is awesome, but IMHO the latter two, Kallocain and Silence of Another Kind, have been major disappointments. Timeloss had some really interesting experiments and the band let loose a little more; the newer albums never stretch out as much and just kind of wallow in mid-tempo melancholy. It's evident that Huxflux Nettermalm is a freakin' awesome drummer, but he doesn't really do much of interest except on Timeloss. ------------- http://www.progreviews.com/"> 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 17:44
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I wish you and Paatos all the happyness in the world
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 17:50
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Timeloss is excellent. Kallocian doesn't appeal to me as much, but is still very good. I've yet to hear any new material, but unfortunately it's been given poor reviews thusfar; so I don't think I'm going to buy it when it comes out. If I can hear it elsewhere, or at least some clips, I will be glad to give it a shot. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Antennas
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 18:20
Well I wouldn't say their latest CD is indeed #*%&...
but I consider their earlier works a lot more 'special', don't really know how to describe it properly. Their latest isn't bad, but rather more 'heard-it-before'-like - and better. If you like Timeloss and Kallocain very much, you may perhaps enjoy Silence as well, so I'd surely check it out if I were you . After all, it's all a matter of personal taste.-------------
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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 18:39
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Thanks Antennas. I'll play it by ear (pun intended)
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 19:24
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just listened to the PA mp3 of Paatos really good I must say, pretty unique sound
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Posted By: xtopher
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 21:58
It never ceases to amaze me that in a thread solely dedicated to an art rock band from Sweden, someone will find a way to bash Dream Theater. They're different bands. Different styles. How can you compare them? Well, some people can find a way.  |
Posted By: slowfire85
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 22:13
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Timeloss had a 70's vibe to it with more instrumentation and musicians, and can actually be considered prog. Like Porcupine Tree, they moved away from that older prog influence, and more towards the melancholic post rock genre(Radiohead). The instrumentation is good on Kallocain, but kind of lacking in range and diversity. Not a bad album, but probably shouldn't be considered prog. ------------- What is prog rock ? It is music that does progress. Progressive music takes a riff, turns it inside out, plays it upside down and the other way around, and explores its potential. K.Emerson |
Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: May 24 2006 at 23:03
No, not really. His main claim to fame is that he runs Mellotronen, one of the world's best Prog stores and a record company that re-releases lost Prog classics (I'm still eagerly awaiting the Friendship Time album). -------------
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 02:46
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Great find for sure...prog archives proves it's point! Enjoy....................... ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Tasartir
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 06:45
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Jeje, I've also been introduced to many unique bands (Marillion) through progarchives...I've actually never heard Paatos, I'm going to go listen to some of their samples, you might have just introduced me into a new amazing band...let's see... ------------- ...Histoires Sans Paroles... |
Posted By: Quiet Drops
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 07:06
I only mentioned that because the thread starter said he wasn't too impressed by DT. |
Posted By: mghiotti
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 11:03
As a matter of fact, there's no such a huge correlation indeed. The point I wanted to make was that, and DT is just the first example popped into my mind, prog music is also Paatos, and most of all, prog music, since I consider it one of the highest form of expression in music history, should be "cleaned" and "purified" a little bit as far as the terminology is concerned. DT, as well as Tool for instance are moving towards a genre which is not prog any more. As I said before, odd rhythms do not make mucis be called progressive. I would like to give you a practical example of what I consider prog music in a broader sense: here in this web-site radiohead is considered as such and I couldn't be more in agreement with that, but also, to me, Miles Davis was a pioneer "sui generis" of such a genre. Do yo agree with me? |
Posted By: Walri
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 15:09
| My piano teacher lent me the Kallocain CD/DVD thing... the CD was pop, and the DVD was only interesting because of the bassist and drummer. Nothing really original about them, IMO. |
Posted By: xtopher
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 18:34
I had an awesome 6 paragraph reply to this, but then the forum logged me off and I lost it all... So I'm just gonna say this, which won't be anywhere near as convincing as the thing I just lost: Music always changes. And "prog" music, as structured as many people sadly want to make it, always changes. Dream Theater was influenced by many, many artists, most of them prog. They listened to what they love, then put their own spin on it, and made it their own. They make it new. But it still carries characteristics of the classic stuff they grew up listening to. And people notice that. In fact, it's not the artist that makes something "progressive", it's the audience. The artist gets his influences and does his own thing with those influences. The audience is what makes it "prog", whether consciously or not. They are the ones who will listen to Yes because they like Genesis, or so on. And then they make the artist relevent. We sure don't hear about bands from the 70s whom nobody listened to, do we? Even if they would be considered much more progressive. It takes the audience to make the movement, it takes the audience to keep the music alive. Times change, and music changes. And with new bands and new movements, the boundaries of progressive rock expand, because the music has changed. If music stops changing, it dies. Every band would still be trying to be Yes or Genesis from the early 70s (which, in and of itself, wouldn't be a bad thing, but then nobody would listen to prog!!). Radiohead or Paatos are other examples. They are influenced by bands both inside and outside of "prog", and thus the boundaries grow wider, more inclusive. They progress. This, I think, is the greatest thing about prog rock: It's hard to categorize, because it means so many different things to so many different people. Well, I say, keep it that way. You want people to be open to new things, right? Well, if the network of prog was kept loose and kept expanding, then more people would be introduced to prog (as I was mostly through DT) and thus introduced to other types of prog through that increasingly large network. |
Posted By: Teaflax
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 20:22
And DT evidently grew up listening to a lot of Hard Rock/Metal and Arena Rock. I suppose it's a progressive enough idea to wed those styles to Prog, but it just seems odd to spend all that time polishing and ginning up the instrumental sections when you intersprse it with regular, everyday Rock. Sure, it's probably that graspability that leads non-Prog people into listening to DT in the first place; it's kinda catchy and if you're a Metal head, It's kind of cool-sounding. But, nonetheless, it's still Progressive (in both the literal and in the genre-name sense) only in parts. -------------
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Posted By: xtopher
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 20:47
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^ I don't think you understand the point I'm trying to make. I would've appreciated it more if you'd taken into consideration my entire reply instead of one isolated clause. But I guess you're entitled to your viewpoint, so you can do whatever. |
Posted By: mghiotti
Date Posted: May 25 2006 at 23:11
Hi, well I do not know if you refer to me, but if so, I'd never say that DT are a bad band or unlistenable or even out of the "label". What I intended to stress was that it seems to me that, as they are most probably The prog band at the moment, due to their mediatic success, it's becoming natural to associate to them the official definition of prog band. As you could teach me, there are many different subgenres, and this because this kind of music is naturally lending to be manifolded, this is its beauty I presume. Your point is well clear to me, and I'm not trying to compare two completely diametrically different bands. I was amazed by Images and Words and Awake, and in particular Metropolis is just thrilling and exciting as few others, but their last performances are too heavy metal to me. That's all. |
Posted By: xtopher
Date Posted: May 26 2006 at 22:14
I apologize; I wasn't really referring to you. You were just using Dream Theater as a reference. It was the other people in this thread who just felt they had to start using your DT reference to start bashing DT. That seemed kind of pointless in a thread entirely devoted to Paatos, and it seems like DT is just a big, easy target to use as an all-purpose "prog-scapegoat." But you weren't doing that. You were just using DT as a measuring stick. I just wish it could've been left at that. |