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Topic: National pride
Posted By: Bern
Subject: National pride
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 22:56
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I've noticed a lot of people here tend to say that they don't like their country and that they aren't proud of saying where they are from. I wanted to know why those people aren't proud. I know I'm really proud to say I'm from Québec (Sorry to all canadians but I feel I'm more Québécois than Canadian when talking about national pride). Am I the only one?  -------------  
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 23:44
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I see no reason for you not to be proud. Since when has Canada (or Quebec for that matter) started a war and lied to its people about it? In any case, I don't think there should be nations at all, but rather one unified world. It's laughable, I know, but I feel more of a duty to protect and serve the world than to protect and serve the United States in specific. That notion seems incredibly selfish and isolationist. That's also why the concept of treason baffles me. If my country is doing something I consider wrong, and I join the the other side, one I consider doing the right thing, what gives my country the right to say I'm committing treason. In a globalist point of view, there is no such thing as treason I believe, unless some aliens start attacking Earth and I join them.------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 23:47
wow thats what my ex-marine,vietnam vet,Biology teacher used to say |
stonebeard wrote:Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 23:48
I see your point and I perfectly agree. I don't agree at all with Québec's gouvernment right now and I protest against it and I don't believe in treason either. I'm proud of my origins and of my roots. I'm not blindly patriotic. -------------
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 23:53
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Just so you know, I am very glad that I have been fortunate enough to grow up healithy and to live comforably. I attribute this to the prosperity of the US. But at what price does this prosperity cost. How much damage have we done to the environment to make our economy what it is. Also, the US neglects whatever doesn't concern the well-being of its people. AIDS, Darfur, you name it, if it doesn't effect common citizens, then we don't care. I try to, but when no one else does, it's hard to see the point of caring. That is one big thing about the United States that I'm very ashamed of: we don't care. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: May 13 2006 at 23:58
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I realize that there are far worse places I could be at the moment, but then again, there are also much better places as well. I for one would hate to live in a society were my leader claims that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, so he won't support the prevention of it. That's just plain ridiculous.
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 00:15
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I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm.....
No, but really, am proud of where I come from. But it's good pride, not bad pride.
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Posted By: nursethisviper
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 00:46
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"I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth; I am a citizen of the world." -- Eugene Debs ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/nursethisviper/?chartstyle=redfive">  Proggin' it up eight days a week...
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 03:25
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As with most of America I was very patriotic around 9/11 and slowly lost it as Bush has attempted to destroy 3 countries now Afganistan, Iraq, and America
but I love my home, my state, and most of what I've visited in this country as well. We have our problems but their are some very good things here too. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 06:36
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No
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Posted By: Time-Machinist
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 06:42
| NO! |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 06:50
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It's not perfect but it'll do. And I'm part of it; how can't it be great?
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 07:34
| Yes, swedish folk music are good |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 07:44
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No, but I love norwegian nature. That's not the same.
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 08:08
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Well - the question is "Do you feel ANY national pride?" In that case the question is of course Yes. Of course I'm proud of the way this country fought for it's independence. Of course I'm also proud of our society - for example our social care and education are better than in most countries. I feel privileged to live here. On the other hand I don't want to look down on other countries and cultures and I'm not very proud of the fact that over 50% of us Finns vote Right wing.  EDIT: Also the Evangelic-Lutheran Church has way too much power here. Over 80% of the population are E-L Christians and for example every company has to pay tax to the church, doesn't matter if they're members of the church or not. Evangelic-Lutherans also have exclusive right to religious programs in TV and Radio, and in schools etc. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 08:46
| Why should I feel national pride? I just happened to be born here. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 08:50
i am very proud to be English, over hundreds of years England has managed to fight, upset, bully, exploit, help, and inspire almost every other country in the world at one time or another - i'm not sure if they love us or hate us!!  -------------  Prog Archives Tour Van 
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 09:24
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I'm very proud of the Neutral Zone.
The best place to be. ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 09:26
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Yes
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 09:29
Wales,or UK? |
Posted By: Nakatira
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 09:31
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I`m not particulary proud of being a norwegian. I would say I feel lucky being born here (not because of the weather I`ve spent a few years in a third world country and watching and talking to those people I realized that I`ve been damn lucky.
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 09:37
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I'm more proud of my cultural background, LATIN - spiced, sometimes heavily, here and there with Amerindian (Native) and African influences.
But I love my country, many wrong things but a great potential - unfortunately it seems we are growing in the mistaken direction repeating the same errors done by others. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 10:14
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I'm proud to say I'm American,and I love my country.
I already put my life on the line for it,and would gladly do so again. -------------  |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 10:16
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Holland is a wealthy, pleasant and tolerant country to live but "feeling any national pride", not really But I am proud of musicans like Finch, Trace, Focus, Earth & Fire and Ayreon, painters like Vincent Van Gogh and Rembrandt and football players like Johan Cruijff, Marco Van Basten and Ruud Van Nistelrooij because our small nation has created so many creative and inventive individuals, that has something to do with the special atmosphere in Holland. |
...Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 11:07
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^ agreed. When I said 'no' it was mostly based on all the negative things such as slave trading we did in the past. But I also disagree with a lot of things our government is planning to do, such as kicking families out of the country, knowing that in their home country they'll be killed. Or the kiss-ass attempts at Defence... in Afghanistan, Iraque, Sudan...   As you pointed out Erik there are some good things, such as the wealth and the friendliness of most people in society and some people who are good at sports.. these are the things we should hold on to. ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 11:12
Well Tristan, I hope to be proud on the national team during the World Championship in Germany this summer ..  !
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 11:26
As an Argentinian, I fell very proud of my country, mainly because of the past characters that have made progress my country over the years: Domingo Faustino Sarmiento, San Martín, Belgrano, etc.  But then, unfortunately, Argentina started to decay, mainly because of corruption and things bad done, from the Perón governement up to now ...  I hope someday we'll grow as a contry and we know how to fight against povety and opther problems of the society ...
And I like a lot the History of my country !!
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 12:41
FYI - Marines never consider themselves to be "ex" ("One a Marine always a Marine", you know). I served twelve years in the Corps myself, but I also know that not many of the things this country has fought to 'defend' were particularly honorable or noble ventures. At the risk of sounding very mushy, I will say that I am proud to be in a place that is (or at least used to be) a symbol of the promise of freedom and possibilities. If only we can figure out the right way to act as responsible members of the human race, our country has a lot to offer. The two most amazing experiences I've ever had in my life (other than when my kids were born) were 1 - Riding the Staten Island ferry across New York Bay and seeing the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island. I looked around in every direction and was humbled by the hundreds of buildings, bridges, boats, and construction, nearly all of it built in the past hundred years or so. This was all built by tens of thousands people of all races, creeds, colors, nationalities, and backgrounds. I can't describe it justly, you really just have to see it in person - it's absolutely stunning! 2 - Standing in front of the Vietnam Memorial in Washington DC on Memorial Day. Again, can't be described - has to be experienced to fully appreciate. But the point here is that one can never forget that for anything any nation does right, it also does many things wrong, and we must guard against becoming so nationalistic that we blindly assume we (Americans or anyone else) are somehow better than anyone else. You can't stand at that place and witness the total despair that so many visitors are expressing who lost pieces of their lives in that place (both Vietnamese and soldiers and their families), and ever again believe that our nation is somehow superior. I believe that any nation of people who believe that are destined to not only ultimate failure, but also destined to cause the human race as a whole to take another in a generation of steps backwards. ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 13:49
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I think each country has things people can be proud of (culture, nature of ordinary people etc) and things that are national shame (past and/or present wars, political games, ...).
Anyway my answer is yes. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 13:56
I hope to be proud of them too... without Kalou  ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 14:46
And without Klaas Jan Huntelaar .. ..
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 15:13
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I love my country, i like the roots of the history, i like our customs and traditions, we have beautiful zones when we can stay and enjoy the landscape, we have a very special and delicious kind of food, music.. maybe not the best, but is ok...
Like any country Mexico has awful things... insecurity, stress ,smog, bad poiticians, etc..
at least in Mexico City (where i live) , we have a mix of all that good and bad things... my city is not the best and most beautiful of my country, is so crowded and sometimes looks horrible, but one of the best poinst is our culture.
Anyway, im proud to be Mexican, because we are special and unique people! ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 15:34
plus you had like the biggest empire ever, and it's just a little island. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 15:35
plus mexican food is the best. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 16:14
| Is there any Prog Mariachi to be proud of Memowakeman? |
Posted By: Meddler
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 16:25
Switzerland? Lucky. ------------- [IMG]http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i165/amorfous/astro-1.jpg"> |
Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 17:17
| I'm extremely proud of my nation, the Isle of Man. It's an amazing little country of around 78,000 people that has one of the highest standards of living in the world and offers superb healthcare, social security and pensions to its citizens in return for a maximum tax rate of 18%. |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 17:28
^ I read 80%   ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 18:37
 Not at all... ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: May 14 2006 at 19:03
Why should you be proud of your own achievements? You just happened to be born in your body, in your environment and with your genes
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 06:44
Achievements are overrated. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 08:13
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Philippines...
3rd world country
Politicaians are like monkeys on steroids
poor people everywhere
should I be proud of these???
certainly not...
But Im proud, not of these facts I mentioned...
Im proud, simply because...
I'm a Filipino.. and I wont let anyone take that pride away from me
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 11:35
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There's a phrase I've come across that I think sums up how I feel about my country "It may be a sh!t hole, but its our sh!t hole". |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 11:57
This is precisely how I feel. ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 12:20
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I am proud and grateful to be a Canadian, and a Newfoundlander. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: proger
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 12:27
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Well I am from israel, and some times I am not so proude at my country, we have a lot of problems(as all the world know), and many time I think to my self:"get me out from here!". but In the end we have very uniq country- uniq cultre and people... so yes I do have a National pride. ------------- ...live for tomorrow... |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 12:28
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I'm American and proud of it. We have our problems but there's still no place I'd rather call home. |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 12:33
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I am proud beyond reason, even though sometimes I feel my country doesn't deserve me. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 13:30
Excuse my ignorance, but where is the Neutral Zone?
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 13:33
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... and I have to say I'm very proud to be Greek,
mainly because of our history
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 13:44
I lived in Finland for almost six years, but did not realise that the E-L Church had so much power. You should try living here in Italy, where the Catholic Church tries to stick its nose in every matter and influence the decisions of our governments. As to 50% of the people voting right-wing, I think we're in the same boat... Perhaps you heard what happened a month ago when we had our latest general elections.
 BTW, I have no particular national pride, though there are some aspects of Italy that I like - namely, the artistic and natural beauty of most of my country, and its great food. On the other hand, there are aspects of the national character (if there is any such thing...) which I positively detest, especially the tendency to dishonesty many seem to have. I hope not to offend any fellow Italians here - I don't want to make any generalisations, but I see too many people taking shortcuts instead of working hard to get things.
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Posted By: man@arms
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 15:20
| I'm proud to be a Portuguese-American |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 17:40
| Hell Yes |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 17:41
- Awesome Bro!! |
Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 17:44
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USA...All the way. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 18:46
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A bit...but sometimes its too hard to be proud of being argentinian naaaaaaa, we rule! ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: imoeng
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 20:15
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Im Indonesian living in Aussie to study!! ------------- http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spmiw7.jpg"> 
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Posted By: Zoso
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 21:47
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No, America has been someone less than stellar as of late, in my opinion.
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 21:53
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I am an American and no, according to the Euros here, we are not allowed to have any national pride. ------------- 
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: May 16 2006 at 05:30
True, we've been at war with everywhere at one time or another, including ourselves in the English Civil War, and let's not forget Jenkin's Ear.
Apparently in a recent poll other European countries voted us the most yobbish nation on the continent. All I can say to that is
Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough! ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: May 16 2006 at 06:58
Read some years ago in an article that if Japan bought my country every inhabitant got 0.5 million Euro's. SELL the place !!!!  .
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Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: May 17 2006 at 15:39
COME ON ENGLAND!!!     ------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: May 18 2006 at 16:04
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I'm an American, and no. I have no sense of national pride for my country. I'd much rather be Swedish, Finnish, or Canadian. -------------  
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Posted By: MustShaveBeard
Date Posted: May 18 2006 at 16:18
There's a difference between being proud of the current government and being proud of the country. Yes, the Administration started the war, but America is much bigger than that. ------------- Your life or your lupins!!! |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: May 18 2006 at 19:31
Not only history, I think people in Greece are wonderful. They are so friendly and natural, in the same time they have deep self respect - great combination. Nice people, with all my love to my compatriots and other nations, I'm always waiting for the day I'll be in Greece again. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 18 2006 at 19:49
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I do have some. I mean i live in the most powerful nation in the world. If only we used the power correctly. But i can't do much about that...at least at this point. Even if i say bad stuff about America, its usually not meant to be aimed at the US itself, but the people in charge/making the decisions, being i disagree with some to alot of the policys/laws/legal actions/etc of the US. But i do feel lucky to be an American...even though i never show it.
So being there is no middle ground answer i guess i will answer yes. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: May 18 2006 at 19:58
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The world would be a better place if countries and nations wouldnt exist.After all we are all humans.Its normal to have national pride,but its not normal to jugde people based on their ethnic appartenance,every individual is different,and i judge people as individuals.For example,i could enjoy more to be in companion with someone having same tastes in music like me and coming from other part of the world than with my neighboor. ------------- Ars longa , vita brevis |
Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: May 18 2006 at 20:22
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And never people should be proud about the fighting, the wars ,the ocupations of their countries and the economic power,but for the people who gave something good to the country ,like artists,scientists ,etc,. ------------- Ars longa , vita brevis |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: May 18 2006 at 21:38
I once said to aapatsos what a teacher told me years ago: "in the end or in the beginning, we're all Greeks." (she was talking about the "Western" Civilization). ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 19 2006 at 06:38
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Beer, Chocolates and Belgium
AND Univers Zero ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: May 19 2006 at 06:52
La biere, le chocolat et les groups de rock progressif je comprend, mais etre fiere de la Belgique?... ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: cucacola54
Date Posted: May 19 2006 at 11:08
Couldnt said it better! but i live in a City named Queretaro in the middle part of Mexico (Just above Mexico City)
Queretaro is a beautiful place, lot of culture and history, is one of the few places with 2 human patrimony awards ("Queretaro", and "Las Misiones de Queretaro")
I love to live here, beautiful place, and good people, if your considering visiting Mexico, i really recommend to visit Queretaro, you will not regreat it
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Date Posted: May 19 2006 at 16:14
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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: May 19 2006 at 16:53
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No!. Holland must be one of the most hypocritical countries in the world. We are plagued here by shifty governments who have no direction at all. For instance our neighbours and friends Germany, Belgium and France made a stand when Bush and his clan planned to attack Iraq. Not the Netherlands, Bush is the most powerful man so he has to be followed doesn't care if he lies, our governments are used to that. In politics here telling the truth is not done. Very typical. Current government is particularly bad but it has always been something of a shambles. At least it's democratic. We must all count our blessings though and as there is no poverty here i think we are all very lucky that we were born here. And fortunately there are also some good things going on here. Chess and Bridge scene are very lively here and we have some really good players in both sports. As for music since i joined PA i have come to recognize that Holland has quite a few good musicians in the past as well as in the present. Also the concert and festival climate here is very good. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 20 2006 at 07:28
Il Y a bien d' autres endroits ou c'est bien pire. Il pleut de trop et il y a trop de gens qui veulent la mort du pays. En dehors de cela, c' est un assez chouette pays ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: May 20 2006 at 10:53
Hé! Arrêtez de parler en français sur le forum. Les gens ne vont rien comprendre et vont penser qu'on fait une conspiration contre eux -------------
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 16:51
Pourquoi croyez-vous que les gens ici ne comprendent rien sauf que ce qu'est ecrit en Anglais? Il y a quelques uns ici qui peuvent comprendre des langues etrangeres (meme s'Ils trompent beacoup en ecrivant Francais ) et si les Francais font conspiration ils la sauront!------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: May 21 2006 at 16:53
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^ Oh non! Nous avons été découverts. Nous sommes piègés -------------
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: May 22 2006 at 00:23
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Salut à tous,je parles francais aussi bien que ma langue maternelle ------------- Ars longa , vita brevis |
Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: May 22 2006 at 00:32
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Yes. America is nowhere close to being perfect, and I'm sure there are better places in the world, but I'm happy to live here because it could be much, much worse as well.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 07:37
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Bon. Ben, les mecs!!!!!!!!!
On la fait cette putain de révolution?  ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 07:44
Precisely.
And even if they weren't, why should I be proud of someone else's achievements?
Having said that, I'm not ashamed of being Polish, either.
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: May 23 2006 at 07:46
Je suis d'acord, vous avez raison.
Mais, etant d'origine Francaise, Je ne peut pas laissez passe un Belge sans dire rien...(Sorry for the spelling mistakes, I have never learned to write in French). ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: May 28 2006 at 20:30
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: May 28 2006 at 21:01
The reason you are baffled by the concept is because you don't have the right one. Joining the other side because you think your country is wrong is called defecting--just don't expect that you can ever go back to your original country, obviously.
Treason, however, is selling your country out for money. Take the Hansen case. A few years ago this CIA agent, Hansen, was found to have been selling secrets to the Russians. He had several million dollars in a Swiss bank account to show for it. Did he do it because he thought the Russians were right and the US was wrong? Of course not, he did it for the money. That's treason. ------------- "Never forget that the human race with technology is like an alcoholic with a barrel of wine." Sleepytime Gorilla Museum: Because in their hearts, everyone secretly loves the Unabomber. |
Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: May 28 2006 at 21:21
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I'm one of the only two Uruguayans that are members of this site, and i'm proud of it. |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: May 29 2006 at 18:56
I'm very proud of Puerto Rico for many reasons (sports, history, culture, beaches, girls ). But I can't say I'm proud of the goverment. Where bankrupt! and there are alot of political problems that doesn't seem to end and is all mostly because of our corrupt leaders. There are other problems, but I won't mention all of them.Having said that, I do have pride for my lil island. It's just that its slowly going downhill. ------------- 
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: May 29 2006 at 19:17
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A few weeks ago I flew over Puerto Rico when I went from Aruba (where my Dutch wife was born and raised) to Holland, it was by night and everything seemed alright in Puerto Rico !
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Posted By: crimson thing
Date Posted: May 29 2006 at 20:20
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Gandhi 2 wrote, and for once I agree :
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 30 2006 at 15:41
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I´ve noticed that so many members who used to have a location (Belgium, Scotland, Germany, USA for example).. don t have the location anymore... why? ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: May 30 2006 at 16:19
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If the life span of the cosmos were mapped to the Roman calendar, human
beings have existed approximately as long as the last few minutes of
December 31st. Do nations still seem important? ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: May 30 2006 at 16:24
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I'm not proud that I'm a German, but I'm also not ashamed that I was
born here. You can't be proud of the state you live in. You can only be
proud of something that you reached. That's my opinion... |
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Date Posted: May 30 2006 at 16:30
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: May 30 2006 at 23:30
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I can be proud of being an American, while not being proud of our current government. It stinks right now, and the greedy narrow people seem to control everything. At least I have the right to say that. Sure, that may seem unpatriotic to some, but that's really what the U.S. is supposed to be about. I only hope more people will wake up to the fact that it's about everybody, not just a select few. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |