overnatural
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Topic: overnatural
Posted By: Vi0LaToR
Subject: overnatural
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 11:37
Dream theater,transatlantic,flower kings and more bands make overnatural music IMO i cant understand why a lot of people of this site like these bands 
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Posted By: Tomodachi
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 11:42
You named three of my favourite bands... but what do you mean with "overnatural"?
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Posted By: Vi0LaToR
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 11:51
| little real,poor skill,programmed music... |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 11:53
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I dont catch you yet...for you DT, TFK and Transatlantic are bad bands??
i thought over natural was the opposite that you mean... ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Vi0LaToR
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 12:05
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i didnt say they are bad bands, but the sound is retouched,modified, very very very perfected nowadays bands like marillion,iq or pendragon make better sound IMO |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 12:11
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I happen to like every band Violator has mentioned (with Marillion being my favorite); however, I'm a bit confused on the root question as well. Transatlantic are one of the most live sounding bands I've ever heard.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 12:13
Says someone who has a Depeche Mode album as username?  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to: 
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Vi0LaToR wrote:Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 12:35
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I don't understand what you say. Those bands make real music without computers or sequencers. The Flower Kings, for example, is a good band when playing live, as they use to jam and play improvised guitar and keyboard solos, etc. They use real bass and real drums, not drum machines. They even use to play vintage analog keyboards instead of digital ones ¿Where do you see the "programmed music"? The same I can say with Transatlantic. Dream Theater use digital keyboards, but they play it also in the traditional way.
And if you ask me, Pendragon's music sounds less "natural" to me than these bands, and less diverse. Not to mention Marillion, who have used some drum machines in their last albums. |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 12:37
If you think any of these bands don't spend just as much time on studio production as the bands you take issue with... you're fooling yourself. ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: Vi0LaToR
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 12:47
maybe is the production but the sound isnt REAL like other bands, the keyboard sound is fake,drums like samplers = computer sound well, i understand it, you dont understand it |
Posted By: Tomodachi
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 12:55
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Portnoy, Salazar and Czorsz sound like drum samples???? -------------
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Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 13:11
And I have to add that The Flower Kings use to release an album every year, and the singer and guitarist also releases solo albums and plays in other bands. They obviously son't spend any time on studio production. They just play music without much production. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 13:14
The Flower Kings have never ever used "drums like samplers". In fact they always had tremendously good drummers ... you shouldn't confuse precision and programming.
BTW: I dare you to watch their live DVD and then tell me that you still stand by your initial statement. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 13:43
Very strange reasoning. You think bands like Transatlantic,TFK and Dream Theater sound too polished but the neo bands you like aren't? Neo is some of the most polished,sterile sounding music I have ever heard here. -------------  |
Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 13:44
We do understand what you mean, but the drums aren't fake in those bands, and the keyboards definitely aren't either. ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 13:54
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perhaps you mean something completely different? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 14:02
Go Away
you dont belong here
Go Away
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Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 14:09
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I understand what he means a bit I think. Either way, I don't like
Portnoy's drumming either - it sounds the same a lot and I can imagine
how someone'd think it's sampled.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 14:42
That's unnecessary Rover. Te discussion so far has been civil and informed. If you do not wish to contribute fair enough, but please respect the right of others to their opinions.
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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 15:03
| Violator: Could you please explain more?, i don't understand what you mean by overnatural music, i use to say that something is overnatural when is so complex and hard to play that it is unbelivable that human beings made that. But surely you don't mean that, also you don't mean that the drumming is made by samplers because the bands you mentioned as "not overnatural" use more samplers than Transatlantic, DT or TFK. |
Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 15:23
okay
that was my style
i know That was unnecessary , i was joking
Respect
i allways respect others
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Posted By: sm sm
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 15:29
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The bands you like are not jam/improvisional like the bands you don't like.
Some DT, Flower King and Transatlantic material tenders to meander. Some Marillion, Pendragon and IQ material tends to be pop song formulaic.
There is good and bad in both.
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Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 15:38
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Those bands are 100% natural and excelent bands, very skillfull, you should watch them in live so you gonna know what I mean, that sound comes from real humans. ------------- 
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 15:49
| I agree with Violator. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 15:59
they sound perfectly natural to me, i can't really understand what point you are trying to make, perhaps you mean the recording and mastering sounds sometimes may sound digital? many mainstream pop groups could possibly be accused of that, but dream theater, i don't think so!
 "i cant understand why a lot of people of this site like these bands
 ".......a rather careless statement on this site - be careful!  (i've made a few myself!!! )-------------  Prog Archives Tour Van 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 16:02
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That statement is not so bad ... it implies no judgement. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 16:12
Your intent would have been more clear if you had used an emoticon after your statement(a laugh,smiley,a wink,etc.). ------------- |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 16:14
well...good for you  ...Im getting really tired of this "I dont like this band" threads...  ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 16:15
you are right
but after new look of this Forum , Emoticon doesnt work (sometime)
no problem
i'll try
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Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 16:33
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Ha! You want unnatural sounds? Listen to TMV! I still don't know how they do that crap live! And Fantomas.....well....I dont know how they do that crap AT ALL. *love TMV, barely starting w/ Fantomas*
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 16:47
I'm guessing you haven't actually seen TMV live? I've _never_ seen that much equipment on one stage. Their sound engineers must have giant ulcers!  ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Vi0LaToR
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 16:57
| is a live concert sound the same as studio sound?what is the different? ... of dream theater for example |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 17:04
Both The Flower Kings and Dream Theater are perfectionist bands, they try to sound the same on stage as in the studio (Dream Theater more than The Flower Kings).
That's neither good nor bad. If you want a band that does more improvising or plays their songs differently each night, you simply shouldn't go to a Dream Theater concert. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Vi0LaToR
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 17:16
THANKS for answer my question!!!  I though that DT studio sound was different that live sound, then  for DT but..... i dont like it |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 17:20
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^ Well, they do have some improvisation - like the Instrumedley or the different solos (keys/guitar/drums) on Live at Budokan. But I agree that these sound quite "overnatural". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aotm-2025-1/vote" rel="nofollow - 2025 Monthly Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 18:36
| When i saw Live At Budokan for the first time i said "wow, Overnatural" . But i said that because they was playing in an unbealivable skillfull way, i don't like much Portnoy's drumming style, i prefer a more jazzy style of drumming, but in Live At Budokan, Portoy's performance was Enormusly Amazing. Myung is another overnatural player, he never makes a mistake. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 18:46
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 18:49
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and i don't agree with Violator
maybe they are trying to be perfectionisits some times but you can not judge them like this in general as they have moments of music brilliance
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Posted By: Vi0LaToR
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 09:50
i prefer Pink Floyd,Genesis or Yes sound, independently of genre |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 10:37
not a fan of any the bands you mentioned,yet what's (generally) speaking wrong this that? ------------- 
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