Roxy Music
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: Roxy Music
Posted By: madgo2
Subject: Roxy Music
Date Posted: November 25 2004 at 19:52
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Hello everyone, I was wondering why Roxy Music is not included on this web site. I always felt they classified as "Art Rock". Is there a particular reason they are not included? I think they are were an excellent band and should be listed here. They certainly should be included if the definition of Prog includes bands such as Queensryche...and I like Queensryche mind you however I think Roxy is every bit as essential to such a forum. Mark
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Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: December 17 2004 at 22:15
| Yes I agree with you! PLEEEEEEASE can we have Roxy Music? If Art Rock bands such as Supertramp & Asia make it into the archives, we can't omit one of the pioneering groups! Especially in their early stages, many people will be interested in the experimental nature of their work. |
Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: December 17 2004 at 23:12
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Well I knew eventually someone else besides me would have to like Roxy Music...Welcome Rob! Good point about Asia and Supertramp. I also think David Bowie should be here as well if the site is going to Asia and Supertramp. Surely stuff like Scary Monsters. Heroes, Low, and Lodger qualify. ------------- He whom life can no longer surprise |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 18 2004 at 12:50
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I can't see Roxy Music as prog myself. I do enjoy their music, but of course, that does not define whether or not they should be included on the site. For me their music is classy pop. I suspect even Mr Ferry would be puzzled to hear of it being put forward as prog. The argument that (insert name here) are here, therefore (insert proposed band here) should be listed, does not, to me, offer adequate justification. Each band should be considered on its own merits. I suspect by the way that Asia are only here due to their pedigree. I believe Supertramp are prog, but that's an old debate, isn't it Maani! |
Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: December 18 2004 at 18:01
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I might classify their final two or three albums as pop but not the first five albums. The first five albums are progressive rock. As for Supertramp, I would only classify there first two albums as prog, after that they are pop music. Don't get me wrong I am a fan of Supertramp. There change in direction had to be made as they were a "pre-formed" band and without a change in direction they would have been dropped so the style deviation was made. As for the argument that other bands are here and Roxy is not, that would be the last point of several as to why they should be included in this particular forum. For example a more stringent forum that included bands that were prog from beginning to end might not include Roxy, however this site has a wider scope of bands so subjectively speaking they should be included here. ------------- He whom life can no longer surprise |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: December 19 2004 at 02:17
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Maani once suggested an aditional subgenre on an earlier thread, progressive pop. It's basicaly a good idea, for that would make it possible to add bands like Queen, David Bowie (who I feel might be considered prog) and perhaps Roxy music. it has one major flaw however if you'd ask me. We'd be stretching the scope of what progressive music is too far. And they would present an excuse to also nominate and include bands like Ultravox, Urban Dance Squad(progressive dance), Dr Dre, NWA, Public Enemy (progressive rap), Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Withney Houston (neo-progressive crap). If you feel Roxy Music (or any other band) should be included on the progarchives. I believe there is a thread where you can suggest new bands to be added to the progarchives.
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Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: December 19 2004 at 09:15
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Roxy Music, 10cc and Supertramp were all good bands whose music was often in the pop charts (how many times did these three play on the UK weekly pop charts TV show Top Of The Pops? I like their music, but in those days never considered them to be Progressive Rock, and still do not today.
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Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: December 19 2004 at 10:06
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I consider Roxy Music to be in the "Art Rock" catagory, which I have always assumed was a subcategory of Progressive. I guess it could be considered a seperate category in itself. I think of pop bands as Cheap Trick and such, and no offense to them or any other pop band eithier, they all have their fans. ------------- He whom life can no longer surprise |
Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: December 20 2004 at 19:08
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Well exactly...Roxy Music are by no means Prog in the same sense as Genesis or King Crimson. But they ARE considered pioneers of the Art Rock subgenre which gets coverage on this site. Asia IS featured because its members have prog backgrounds (and many prog fans thought of Asia as a bit of a let down, but as a fan of classic rock in general, I love 'em!), and Supertramp were originally quite progressive, but albums such as "Breakfast In America" champion the pop side of such a group (great nonetheless). Roxy Music's last few albums were smooth, lounge singer pop, but the first two albums done with Brian Eno are avant-garde, art-school rock (the song "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" has a false ending! In some sense it would be fair to say THIS is progressive).
I agree that it would be a good idea to have a Progressive Pop subgenre. |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: January 06 2005 at 09:25
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If Roxy Music can be consider to be part of the archives, why don't consider Traffic too? Dear Mister fantasy and The slow spark are quite good, and superior (in my point of view) to Roxy. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 07 2005 at 17:18
I do. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Fitzcarraldo wrote:Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 08 2005 at 10:14
It's not really a question of who is "superior" though, it's just whether they are prog or not. I would agree though that Traffic were pretty progressive over all in a jazz prog way, including "The Low spark..". My concern with including bands like Roxy Music is that, in their day they were one of the biggest bands in the world. I think more care needs to be taken over including such bands here, than lesser know marginal cases. To include Roxy Music would in my opinion distort the site, as the implication would be that they were also therefore a major prog act, which clearly they were not. |
Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: January 08 2005 at 22:22
More so than not Roxy Music was considered part of the glam movement being included with the likes of David Bowe, TRex, etc...there first three albums really didn't even chart in the USA and they were more popular in Europe. It wasn't until their fourth album that they became somewhat noticed in the USA and then when there fifth release including "Love is the Drug" came out they started to enjoy notereity. However there can be no doubt that there first five releases were glam and progressive in that they surely must qualify as "Art Rock" which is included as a subcategory. I truly wonder how they cannot be considered that with songs such as "In Every Dream Home a Heartache", "The Bogus Man", "Mother of Pearl", "For Your Pleasure", "Triptych","Casanova", "Ladytron", and "Seabreezes" just to name a few. There last three albums were a different style but still considered prog by many and characterised as prog pop. I am convinced that you guys have not listened to one of the first five Roxy albums. Absolutely no way when you listen to the sonic textures that Brian Eno and Phil Manzanera produced and certainly let us not omit Andy Macay a classically trained musician and what he added in the horn section. Shame on this site for it's shortsightedness when it comes to this band. I do enjoy the site but this is an ommission which really takes some crediblity away from the Prog Archives. I really cannot believe there is a rational argument here to keep these guys off the site and if so please have it be from someone who has actually listened to the albums and not just the singles off there final album Avalon. I do agree that this site isn't about who the "superior" group was and as for Traffic then of course the same could be said about Steely Dan but that is a different topic for a different day. For now lets get Roxy Music added to this site! ------------- He whom life can no longer surprise |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 09 2005 at 08:30
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Madgo, I can't speak for the others here, but my opinion is based on the RM albums I have, FOR YOUR PLEASURE, ROXY MUSIC, STRANDED, STREET LIFE/TWENTY GREATEST HITS. Your opinion is equally as valid as mine, I have no more influence that you over who is added to the site and who is not. I would suggest though that deriding the site for not including a band you clearly have a passion for, will not help to further your case. Continue to promote the constructive and persuasive views you also expressed, and who knows, you may be successful.
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Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: January 09 2005 at 09:13
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: January 09 2005 at 09:17
If you took the time to read through the posts on this site you would realise that we are mostly an eclectic lot.The majority of us went to University and were exposed to many different genres of music.The amount of concerts I went to just to curry favour with various delightful young fillies has given me exposure to many different bands.Phil Manzenera is a very talented, and probably underrated musician.However,just because you believe them to be prog doesnt make it so! Try expanding on your post above and mailing it to the Forum Admin group.Oh, and without the insults. "Prog Pop" is an oxymoron in my opinion and the "many" you refer to a figment of your imagination. ------------- 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 09 2005 at 11:48
I didn't. Sh*t, now I have an inferiority complex! |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 09 2005 at 11:58
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Madgo, Here's something to help your case: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp Look at the description of Art Rock, and the bands listed as examples!
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Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: January 09 2005 at 14:15
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[QUOTE=Easy Livin]
Madgo, Here's something to help your case: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp Look at the description of Art Rock, and the bands listed as examples!
Thanks for the link! Don't worry about the lack of a University Diploma, many of my associates have one and simply have underachieved there entire life.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 09 2005 at 15:06
Yeah, I never needed no University Diploma to under achieve my entire life.
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Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: January 12 2005 at 14:17
| I found something pretty interesting: in the definition of Art Rock of the archives, one band used as an example of the genre is... Roxy music! |
Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: January 14 2005 at 02:10
Yeah! That was my point! Strangely...they aren't in the archives.  ------------- And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..." Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
Posted By: Rob The Good
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 00:45
YEAH! Roxy Music has now officially been added!  ------------- And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..." Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 01:42
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It's like being inducted into the Hall of Fame ------------- He whom life can no longer surprise |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 14:05
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The reviews are not exactly rolling in for Roxy Music, one to date.
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Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 17:04
Didn't know they were posted yet. Just put one in for "For Your Pleasure" and am setting up one for "Siren" ------------- He whom life can no longer surprise |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 23 2005 at 11:37
 On my ever-expanding "to do" list, especially the first five albums....------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 11 2005 at 10:23
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OK guys , Roxy Music has been on the Archives for one month now ,to the great demand of some progheads/forum members and so far there has maximum eight or nine reviews and only two from the persons who pleaded for their inclusion on the Archives. it seems that some of the ask-ers are not the do-ers (no offence) but then if the ask-ers do not write reviews......
When I pestered Poor Old Max@ for inclusion of Traffic , Tangerine dream , Audience , Aka Moon , Procol Harum, I made suire there was the majority of the studio albums that I reviewed within the first month. Now this is my idea of rewarding the admins for inclusion borderline groups for the archives. I was against Uriah Heep for inclusion in the Archives but still wrote reviews for their classic period (first 7 or 8 albums) Progly yours Hugues |
Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: February 11 2005 at 18:20
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[QUOTE=Sean Trane]
OK guys , Roxy Music has been on the Archives for one month now ,to the great demand of some progheads/forum members and so far there has maximum eight or nine reviews and only two from the persons who pleaded for their inclusion on the Archives. it seems that some of the ask-ers are not the do-ers (no offence) but then if the ask-ers do not write reviews......
When I pestered Poor Old Max@ for inclusion of Traffic , Tangerine dream , Audience , Aka Moon , Procol Harum, I made suire there was the majority of the studio albums that I reviewed within the first month. Now this is my idea of rewarding the admins for inclusion borderline groups for the archives. I was against Uriah Heep for inclusion in the Archives but still wrote reviews for their classic period (first 7 or 8 albums) Progly yours Hugues I will be adding a couple more this weekend. I will have the remaining albums done in a month is my guess as I can do a couple each weekend. I do not know why some of the other people who wanted Roxy added have not posted reviews eithier. I will mention that there are other bands on this site with only a few reviews but I do agree that if someone pickets for a band to be added they should follow it up with reviews. Maybe the forum is made up of mostly thirty year old's and under therefore making only the well known classic bands such a Floyd accessible and newer bands(post 80's) reviewed...who knows but anyone that I grew up with and followed music knew Roxy very well. My band covered a couple of Roxy Music tunes in the seventies and early eighties and they were always well recieved.------------- He whom life can no longer surprise |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 02:24
| No sweat , man at least you putin some anyway! |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 24 2005 at 12:58
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roxy music is bland and not prog imo ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 02:21
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I would agree with you 100% but my rant is towards the people would pressured for inclusion and then do not review them. |
Posted By: madgo2
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 20:06
I would agree with you 100% but my rant is towards the people would pressured for inclusion and then do not review them. I'm disappointed as well that there are not more reviews. I will be finishing the studio albums in the next week or two. There seemed to be support for Roxy Music to be included under the subcategory of artrock and I am glad that they were added. As for greenback not liking Roxy, that is ok as I would be hard pressed to say I enjoy all the bands on this site or for that matter that I consider all the bands progressive. I have always had a real hard time accepting Asia as a prog band. They are a classic case of the whole being less than the sum of it's parts. Wetton, Howe, Palmer creating music that should be catagorized along with the Eddie Moneys of the world. etc... I grew up a huge fan of each individual band that they came from and was appalled when the first Asia album came out. As catchy and radio friendly as they are it really is a classic example of a band selling out to make a buck. I am surprised they are on this site - they are nothing more than AOR... Of course the same can be said about Supertramp as well. With a small history as a prog band then a long history as AOR. I enjoy Breakfast in America, etc but it is really not progressive. Also the Rabin Yes days as much as I enjoy them are hard pressed to be progressive, especially 90125. I think that some people get confused as to what progressive really means. It is not progressive unless the music is. It has nothing to do with the musicians past history to be a so called supergroup, as was the case with Asia. Heck the song "Terrapin Station" by of all bands the Grateful Dead had more prog elements to it than any song I recall by Asia.------------- He whom life can no longer surprise |