Trevor Rabin and Yes
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Topic: Trevor Rabin and Yes
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Trevor Rabin and Yes
Date Posted: April 30 2006 at 23:01
| I feel he destroyed them musiccally on all 4 LPs and Financially on Talk and Union. |
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: April 30 2006 at 23:42
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Not sure about the financial part. Remember how big of a hit "Owner of a Lonely Heart" was? All I know is that I can't stand the Rabin era albums (though I still own them all.) ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: frippster
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 00:25
| IMHO they should have stopped using the yes name during the rabin years. it was a great band, just not quite yes. well, I do hate most tracks on big generator. that kinda makes me vote for "none" |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 00:56
Trevor Rabin destroying Yes.....please......
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 01:41
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Posted By: razifa
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 02:51
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Well IMO the poorest album was 90125, the only decent track was Changes and I don't mean it was something spectacular, just listenable. "Big Generator" was not a bad release, honestly I enjoy it, but still too commercial..
Union and Talk are very good both and I really think are worthwhile. So I think he did not destroy the band....but wasn't essential ------------- ********** **razifa** ********** |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 03:11
He did not destroy the band because Yes are still alive and kicking (I saw them live in 2003 and they smoked!). Besides, I think we're already been there... He couldn't have destroyed the band single-handedly, as the other members agreed on their new, more commercial direction. Same thing applies to Phil Collins. I don't think either Collins or Rabin held the other members at gunpoint...
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Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 04:07
| Rabin didn't destroy anything. He helped to create an alternative Yes, and I think it was interesting to see what they can do in another style. After that they came back to the classic line-up, so Rabin didn't killed them, he only gave us a different episode in the band history. Like it or not, it was interesting. I prefer classic Yes, but I can't deny the quality of songs like Changes, Hearts, The Calling or Endless Dream. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 06:09
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This is ludicrous. If anything, the 80's era of Yes introduced them to scores of new fans--myself included! 90125 was one of those crucial albums from my teenage years; but, it also was the springboard that led me to albums such as Fragile, Close To The Edge, and Relayer. If people feel that Rabin ruined the Yes name, then they're pointing the finger in the wrong direction. Ultimately, (I would think) the final decision to carry on as Yes would've been from the likes of Squire and Anderson.
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Posted By: heavyhery
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 06:32
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love yes allways with and with out trevor ------------- heavyhery |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 08:43
None. He didn't destroy them, he just made terrible albums with them! 
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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 08:55
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Aw, come on, blaming Rabin is sooooooooooo easy. Sure, those albums ARE crap, but the 80's in itself were commercial years. So, blame the f*cking 80s instead. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 09:31
| I don't think Yes were ever destroyed. Personally, I like their 80s albums like '90125' and 'Big Generator' a lot, plus they sold a bucketload. They kept enough of the Yes sound in there for me, plus some heavy metal touches that I think worked quite well. Wasn't so fussed on 'Talk' which sounded rather tired, imo, but the 80s albums are fine. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 09:36
I don't think they are crap and I object to the use of that word. I like the "Rabin years". ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Anthony wrote:Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 09:56
I love 90125!  It was the first Yes album I ever heard. I dont think Rabin destroyed Yes at all. He brought a new dimension to their music, that many of their older fans may have objected to, but he introdcued the band to a new audience. A HUGE new audience! 90125 was a huge selling album that Wakemen has since claimed he would've loved to have been part of.
I wasn't keen on Big Generator, but 'Talk' was a great album IMO. In any case, the classic Yes line up reformed after Rabin had gone. They may have split for good if they hadn't enjoyed the much elevated profile that they achieved in the Rabin years. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 10:04
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<<I love 90125! It was the first Yes album I ever heard. I dont think Rabin destroyed Yes at all. He brought a new dimension to their music, that many of their older fans may have objected to, but he introdcued the band to a new audience. A HUGE new audience! 90125 was a huge selling album that Wakemen has since claimed he would've loved to have been part of.
I wasn't keen on Big Generator, but 'Talk' was a great album IMO. In any case, the classic Yes line up reformed after Rabin had gone. They may have split for good if they hadn't enjoyed the much elevated profile that they achieved in the Rabin years.>> Man, Amen to that! As a 17 year old kid, I recall being blown away by 90125. And I wasn't so much impressed by "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" as much as I was with "It Can Happen", "Changes", and "Hearts". And far as Talk is concerned, I'm enjoying that disc the more I listen to it. I don't think it sounds tired at all. Personally, I'd love to see another Yes disc with Rabin. E -------------
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Posted By: A'swepe
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 10:32
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I don't think TR destroyed Yes. Why not look at this era from the other direction: He helped Yes remain viable & in the spotlight (so to speak).
The only Yes album that I hate is Big Generator.
I quite like 90125, Talk, Union, in fact I like about 90% of their output, regardless of who the musicians were.
I will admit to a preference for Squire, Howe, Anderson, Bruford/White & Wakeman, but good music (read: music that I like) is good music.
You can blame Trevor for your dislike all day long, doesn't change my opinion. I like it. ------------- David - Never doubt in the dark that which you believe to be true in the light. http://www.myspace.com/aardvarktxusa - Instrumental rock http://www.soundclick.com/aardvarktxusa |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 10:49
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Trevor Rabin is a commercial money sucking sponge that used yes and yes fans to gain capitol and then dump on yes the worst album in the world called TALK because he knew they wanted him out.
Get Real People take of the blinders you horses
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 10:52
As I said....I like Yes with Rabin. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 11:46
Thats just your opinion. You're entitled to it, of course, but I happen to think 'Talk' is better than Tormato!
I'm glad the classic line up got back together, as their output overall IS better than anything Rabin's Yes produced IMO. But, Yes could have been alot worse in the 80's, and like I said before we may have Rabin to thank for the fact that Yes are still going. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: dralan
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 13:37
I totally agree. While he is no Steve Howe, he is definately an amazing guitarist and skilled songwriter. I happen to like the material they put out with Rabin. He gave them a much needed shot in the arm at that time and added another dimension to Yes-music. Ive seen them twice, once with Rabin and more recently with the old lineup and both shows were great.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 13:54
Keep it civil please Xenoxen, both towards the artists, and your fellow PA members. No problem with you expressing your opinions, but there are ways....
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Posted By: tdreamer
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 14:04
| Trevor brought a lot to the Yes sound of the early 80's. The three albums he made are classics IMO. OK they don't have the prog leanings of what came before but did bring a new sound which at the time was fresh. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 14:20
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I think Trevor Is not all that talented cause in the 80's record company's let anyone Play music or produce come on look at groups like - Bot George, ABC, Bow wow wow, and so on
If trevor tried it now he would never make it. Also when trevor tried producing in the 90's nobody wanted to hear it. Union and Talk are both really bad Lps. 90125 and Big Generator sound like the 80's music free for all. I mean really how big was the hair and how many colors could you wear in one outfit. the 80's era in music was just horrible. The only band that pulled me through the 80's was Rush.
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Posted By: Prog-man
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 18:05
   TREVOR RABIN:GREAT VOCALS, GUITARS, KEYBOARDS, SONGWRITING, ARRANGEMENTS, PRODUCTION...
WHAT DOU YOU WANT?
 HE KEPT THE BAND ALIVE AND AT THE SPOTLIGHT, AT HIS WORST MOMENT!!!
 HE BROUGHT A NEW SOUND TO THEIR MUSIC!!!
 I LIKE THE "CLASSIC" YES LINE-UP,
 BUT I REALLY ENJOY THE "RABIN YEARS", TOO!!!
 PLEASE, DON'T BLAME HIM!!! YOU MUST BE JOKING!!!...
 ------------- Arriving somewhere but not here |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 18:09
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He didn't destroy them, though he didn't do much for their prog credentials, turning the band towards AOR. (IMHO!) |
Posted By: Sacred 22
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 23:50
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Did he destroy the band? No, the band is still going strong and we should expect another album out of them around 2008 I am guessing. Musicians are a weird lot for the most part and to be honest I am amazed they stuck it out as long as they did. No, YES in my mind is the best over-all rock band to ever exist to this day. Maybe they should have went by the name they were going to use for their assault on the pop industry. "Cinema". Remember this. Can a mainstream "pop" artist produce the like of say a "Close to the Edge"??? No. Can YES make a pop song that is technically better in structure and form to the mainstream "pop" artists work and sell millions of copies doing it? In a word..........YES! |
Posted By: Fusioned
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 23:54
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Rabin is an awesome guitarist who saved Yes and played on their biggest selling albums. Stop shooting him down and point out the awesome things he did. He was indeed a very talented musician. I'd like to see you do something better than him. ------------- +FUSIONED+ 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 11:52
 Who cares about biggest selling albums. I Mean Britney spears sold more LPs than all of Yes's albums combined and she sucks.  I care about quality of music and good composing. IMO Trevor Rabin has none. He was just your basic 80's guitar player who wanted a big hair band sound and used Yes to get it without the big hair.  As far as saving Yes, well, They didn't need him to do it. Now remember if they Kept the Name Cinema as the band name for the release of 90125 It would never reached 1 position. Especially with Trevor Rabin singing on the whole album. He needed Yes to collect the big bucks. So IMO he just used Yes and thier fans.
 They sound better on Magnification than on all the Trevor Era LPs. And Trevor isn't on that LP.So i think Yes would have been fine with any guitar player in the 80's
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 12:39
Keep in mind what Easy said,I am not happy with some of the responses in this thread. -------------  |
Posted By: herbie53
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 19:20
Well, I think everybody here forgot that YES made some horrible albuns after Rabin disbanded, like 'Open Your Eyes'  ! This album is worse than any work with Rabin...
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 22:08
Actually this LP is very good. The guitar work is far superior to Rabin's 80's whims. Even Though the songs aren't great but good thay still have a well structured composition about them. Whereas Rabin
seems to be too choppy with arrangements.
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Posted By: fairyliar
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 15:15
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Rabin destroyed them financially???????????????????
It's a joke, isn't it?
Talk was a failure but the rest....even Union was certified gold in several countries and the tour was one of the most profitable in that year...I even don't talk about 90125 and Big generator which sold million copies and fulfilled arenas...
No Yes other members of this era can thank him for the cash!
Musically it's another debate but I don't think that 90125 or Union are poorer than Tormato or Open Your Eyes.
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Posted By: fairyliar
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 15:21
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and anyone saw Yes Union live DVD?
anyone remembers Rabin's solos??? it just kicks ass!!!!
If anyone here is able to do just the 1/10 of what he is doing technically then maybe you ahve a little word to say but I would really be surprised...
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 15:54
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Vicarious Hmmm The Concept is mighty fishy - Like the same concept PG- The barry williams Show
Not too original
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Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 22:59
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I really enjoy Yes Rabin Era albums... in fact a few days ago I buied BIG GENERATOR on vinyl... Is not bad...
Peace and Love ------------- ... E N E L B U N K E R... |
Posted By: sm sm
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 15:31
| As judged by Yes's post 90125 and Big Generator albums, Rabin didn't destroy them, it was the commercialism of them that cause the bigwigs in the music industry to put presure on other bands to sound so commercial |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 16:09
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Although I don't really like the direction Yes took with Rabin on board
he certainly didn't destroy them They went in that direction willingly
observing the 80's trends. They're not stupid. That style at the time
probably made them more money than staying the way they were. It also
brought new fans to Yes who then searched their past catalogues and who
now probably realize that CTTE and Fragile were the pinnacle of Yes's
creativity. All in all Yes with Rabin did serve a useful if not totally
musical purpose in exposing Yes to new fans.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 00:29
What is a comment about Tool,who no one has mentioned in this poll,doing in this thread???????? No more baiting!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: TOD KREMER
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 02:36
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Rabin pretty good. Does not deserve derision. Good guitarist.
I thought his vocals were a good counterpoint to Jon's. He gave you a break once in a while from Jon's chirppy-ness.
Listen to "Leave It" (especially acappella version). Trevor brough good vocal arrangements and vocal depth to the band.
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 07:52
I could not agree more.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 08:10
I love his guitar solos on 9012live, especially his take on older stuff. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 10:06
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I have no issues whatsoever with Rabin's stint with Yes. In fact, I
feel like he breathed some sorely needed life into a phenomenal band
that was starting to lose their way. What I _do_ have an issue with, are some of Rabin's film scores. Has anyone seen "Con Air"? Not only is it one of the worst films ever made, IMO, but the score is absurdly bombastic and silly. ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 10:11
I like Con Air! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 10:15
I'm sorry to hear that. ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 10:20
Yeah..I like your band to...so who am I to judge.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 10:23
There's certainly no accounting for taste.  (Thanks man!) ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: MegaMoog
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 10:28
I hate the 80's
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 10:53
"Now all the songs you absolutely hated from the 80's... together in one excruciating box set!" "You'll hear... M.C. Hammer! Paula Abdul! Winger! Poison!"  ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 11:31
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I've never heard the "Rabin Years" of Yes, and I'm not really sure I want to. I mean... "Owner of a lonely heart" is a horrible song! ------------- 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 11:37
Me too.
Whilst I agree that the Rabin albums are not the best Yes albums (but then what does compare to the golden era of Yes?), he did keep the band going and 90125 was their biggest selling album. Talk is a good album and don't forget Union is only partly the Rabin Yes.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 11:40
I forgot to say - what evidence do you have that Talk and Union destroyed Yes financially?
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: May 05 2006 at 11:42
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Musically
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Posted By: stewe
Date Posted: May 19 2006 at 17:07
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I adore all albums with him (BG, 90125, Talk) as five star masterpieces. And there isn't bigger lover of Relayer, Fragile, CTTE, Yes Album and TFTO than me. Strange?:) P.S. Talk maybe was a commercial disaster, but OYE, or Ladder were even worse.. |