10,000 Days
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Topic: 10,000 Days
Posted By: streetcarp19
Subject: 10,000 Days
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 22:38
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Curious what some of you think of the new Tool album that leaked. It doesn't come out "officially" until May 2nd, for those that didn't know.
I personally love it, and think it is close to the best work they have ever done, at least the most technical. They leak's sound quality is a little off, so I am hoping the official release will be similar to Lateralus's production. ------------- My New Lyrics: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=287766 - Moon-sets and Full-suns |
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Posted By: patomtz
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 22:40
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you've already listen it? ------------- I still can't get how Dream Theater music is created by humans Dream Theater in Monterrey, Mexico 03.03.06 Unforgettable 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 22:42
Illegally. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
patomtz wrote:Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 22:44
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The Tool album that leaked isn't the real thing. From the September 2005 Toolband.com Newsletter: "Now where was I?.. Oh yeah, TOOL!.. I'm not going to reveal my source, Mister Patience, but do you want to know the kind of things that have been going on while this record was being recorded? Okay, first there was the decoy record just to confound all those would-be bootleggers out there. This took, oh, about a year, just because the band members wanted it to sound pretty close to the real thing (so as to be believable), along with equally believable art design." http://www.toolband.com/news/letter/2005_09.php - http://www.toolband.com/news/letter/2005_09.php |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 22:44
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There are already enough Tool threads about the new album.
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: CaincelaOreinim
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 00:17
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Tool have certainly created monsters out of their fans with this much anticipated release. I have the leak, will comment no more on it...but seriously, if some of you think it's fake, be prepared to be terribly terribly disappointed come May 2nd. Tool were always jokesters it's true and the impact of such legerdemain has had an obviously negative affect on the fans over-analyzing, warping, and discreditting every single speck of information they churn out. The problem I see is that most of these fans are obsessed with the raison d'etre the band made of themselves IN THE PAST as opposed to the present. Get over it, this is the album they've decided to release nolens volens. Hell, I'd like to be proven wrong in my thoughts, but first off don't believe anything that comes out of Blair (their webmaster and close, close friend to the band - particularly Danny) in general and let alone a YEAR AGO! This is the next phase of them, get used to it, like the Crimson fans - stop clinging to the past. To discredit I'd say: 1) yes the leak is the new album indefinitely and if ANYTHING is off it's perhaps in an unmastered state, 2) this is most likely NOT the last album they'll make, and 3) Tool fans need to get a life. Regardless I'm curious to see the whole packaging, they always manage to put together a strong product that for once I'll shell out some cash for. |
Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 00:25
| Haha. It's fake, buddy. I got a friend who works at Best Buy. Says their shipment came in, and that the actual album is 2 discs. It's fake. Prepare to eat your words. I'd prepare to be disappointed, but I'm already past disappointment--that only lasted as long as I went thinking the leak was real, because yes, the leak is that INTENTIONALLY bad. |
Posted By: introspectre
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 00:28
Ahahaha.
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 01:11
I have had a listen to some of the "leaked" version of 10.000 Days and some so called tracks were hideous - very obviously not Tool. I am very keen to buy the album when it is officially released - at the same time I am crossing my fingers that it is as good if not better than "Lateralus" which was a brilliant album. Not long now before it is released proper.
BTW - if anyone is thinking of d/l the illegal leaked version you are wasting your time - wait a few more days for the real deal ------------- 
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Posted By: GFoyle
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 02:45
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The leak I have is definitely real and It's the opposite of hideous.
There might have been some other leaks which were fake, but the one
which came last week is real. Well it will be in the stores aready on friday so I will be 100% sure then. |
Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 03:06
So is the vicarious mp3 posted on the site real or no?  ------------- 
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Posted By: GFoyle
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 03:19
| It is real. |
Posted By: CaincelaOreinim
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 03:34
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If what I have...is not Tool, than I've been wasting about 10% of my listening capacities listening to a band I obviously can't identify. Ahah "my friend at Best Buy"...I sure hope you're right. |
Posted By: GFoyle
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 03:38
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There might be second disc of some bonus material, who knows? |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 03:40
| So far I've heard the "Vicarius" single and "The Pot" on Australian TripleJ radio.I like Vicarius but The Pot..wow that is an awesome track.If the rest of the album is as good it will be a cracker.....end fanboy dribble! |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 09:48
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well seems the other thread I made is not working out
heard Vicarious and its great
it's somewhere on the internet if you want to download it
if you try through google you shall find it easily...
it's a great track I must say
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Posted By: Meddler
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 11:07
Gaaah! So there were two (popular) fake ones? Counterfist(  ) and the Tool one with 11 minute songs? |
Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 16:44
| I'm a little skeptical on the second-disc, cause I don't ALWAYS trust this friend... however, there is weight to his claims. Look up 10,000 Days on Amazon.com. There are two versions, one mysteriously labled as an "Import". It's twice as expensive as the other version. Seems to implicate a second disc, does it not? |
Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 22:37
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I actually thought the album was rather boring...basically old Tool
with more spacey atmosphere stuff...like they're trying to compete with
Mars Volta to see who can take up the most space with meaningless
drivel. Some of the tunes were good, but some are just downright boring. Yes, it's the real thing. Maynard's voice. Carey's tribal drum patterns. Jones's guitar sounds. It might not be in final mastered form, and there may be a bonus disc with the actual store album or possibly some additional tracks (doubtful...it totals over 70 minutes...about half of which are wasted). Yes, I pre-ordered a copy. Yes, I downloaded it. I'm entitled. Sue me if you disagree. I probably shouldn't have ordered it because I've played it 5 times and I'm considering trying it once or twice more, but I'm not hopeful. ------------- ARTEMIA - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic" rel="nofollow - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic L.i.E. - http://www.reverbnati |
Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 22:51
You are a truly wise man indeed :) You have the same sentiments as I. Let us be friends now and rejoice in the land of Gentle Giant. |
Posted By: CaincelaOreinim
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 00:29
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Once again, it's been confirmed there is no second disc...and as I stand before I delve heavily into making this album a musical project for myself (an in depth analysis)...my favorite cuts are Vicarious, Jambi, 10000, and LK-->Rosetta...otherwise the album DOES kind of fall flat rehash old Tool. |
Posted By: GFoyle
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 08:42
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I think, in the end, the album is quite different from the others. It's
more melodic and emotional for sure, more mellow it seems. Now when I
have had the change to spin it a lot of times it is really starts stand
out on it's own. The difference might not so obvious than with Undertow
-> Aenima -> Lateralus, but it's there. I'm not disapointed at
all, I really love (almost) every moment of it and I'm insanely happy
that Tool was able to write another masterpiece (IMO). |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 12:06
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Im not the type that sit and wait for a new album to come but this one seems very intresting im a preety new Tool fan and i got Aenima & Lateralus, and im realy looking forward for this one i have to say, will be very fun to see if they can beat Lateralus, i doubt it. ------------- 
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Posted By: GFoyle
Date Posted: April 28 2006 at 06:12
| I have to say that 10 000 Days has the coolest packaging ever. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: April 28 2006 at 12:31
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^ hey I heard it will have a great packaging with some mirrors, lenses etc.
does anybody know more?
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Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: April 29 2006 at 00:27
That sounds like fun. ------------- ARTEMIA - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic" rel="nofollow - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic L.i.E. - http://www.reverbnati |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 12:53
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It's out in the UK
just got it
well I need to listen to it several times....
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 20:05
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I go pick it up in 4 more hours. And counting...................... -------------  |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 03:55
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I bought the album today and am gobsmacked! Hey I know I'm a Tool fanboy etc,but this new effort is unf****nbeleavable! The boys have excelled with the sleeve design.I thought Lateralus was good but AJ,s art direction and Alex Greys artwork are truly outstanding.Wait till you peer thru the stereoscopic lenses for the first time,it will blow you away.Then we get to the music.I am a long time Tool fan and love their early work too.I have to say this will no doubt be my favourite.It combines the power of Aenima with the complexity of Lateralus and introduces a more melodic vocal sound in places.DC's tribal rythming on "Right in Two" are simply gorgeous.The whole album just highlights why it takes these guys 5 years to make them. If you like Tool you will enjoy... but if you arn't buy it anyway because the sleeve is the best you'll see all year I bet! 5 stars for sure. ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 11:03
^ that sounds more like a review 
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:37
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I just started listening to it, but man, this packaging is incredible. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 15:03
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This sounds like a review
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=77342 - http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=77342 Seriously, this album is out of this world, though for some reason many people are not impressed by it. I don't really mind the riffs that sound similar to the ones in the past. They aren't really similar, it's just the style of Adam using similar sounds in his guitar.
This is the Close to the Edge in the prog metal genre.
What if Tool manages to top this album in their next one? Would that even be possible?
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Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 17:00
They haven't topped Aenima yet. ------------- ARTEMIA - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic" rel="nofollow - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic L.i.E. - http://www.reverbnati |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 17:20
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Very few shops with it in stock locally -apparently 10000 days sold
hald million units worldwide in the first week of sale, taking
everybody by surprise - hence it may be 10 days before shops wil be
able tol restock - and then not with the fancy cover. Info according to local indie record store owner Jason White |
Posted By: CaincelaOreinim
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 18:23
I just want to give you some kudos as to writing perhaps one of the best level-headed reviews I've seen yet of the new Tool album. I've been lurking, reading, finding it strange that most who have reviewed it are new users with no reviews under their belt. (I personally don't review because I change my mind so damn frequently).
And for all those bashing the album - that it's not 'new', it's 're-hashed' (disregard my initial first impressions of it, I'm over it) etc....do yourselves a favor and re-investigate the band's alleged 'leaps and bounds' over their 2-5 year lapses. This band IN GENERAL doesn't change too much...I feel at least...they've been writing (with a few exceptions) in the key of D Minor for AGES! There's only so many variations of that key! Also it's pretty much the same core writing (Keenan, Jones, and Carey; disregarding Chancellor just because he wasn't involved originally). The new album to me, is just another GREAT Tool album. It opened up fully to me after six listens or so; I suggest the nay-sayers do the same?
Either way, to each his own.
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Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 20:45
That's the big problem I have. Tool keep releasing the same formula ever 4-5 years with little to no variation. They essentially left nothing to be desired after Undertow and Aenima. Lateralus was just a refinement of these albums...lacking the guttural, gritty influence of the first two. 10,000 Days just sounds like a slowed down Lateralus. I've played it about 10 times total and can only pick out maybe 3 songs that interest me...and even those take a back seat to songs such as 4 Degrees, Flood, Stinkfist, Eulogy, and 46&2. Even the filler tracks on the early albums were better (compare Message to Harry Manback to Lipan Conjuring). Rosetta Stoned has stood out as the gem so far, but even it gets boring at times. Like I said in my review, Tool seemed to take a notch out of the belt of Mars Volta for just extending a particular phrasing for a few extra minutes that does nothing more than increase the running time of the CD without having to actually vary anything. ------------- ARTEMIA - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic" rel="nofollow - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic L.i.E. - http://www.reverbnati |
Posted By: CaincelaOreinim
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 21:04
I feel the same...except there's too much music out there to be all uppity and pissed off about the new Tool being 'redundant' or not. Take it for what it is. All bands eventually repeat themselves in some way shape or form I guess... Regardless I'll be seeing Tool live in the upcoming weeks.
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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: May 06 2006 at 23:33
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I just want to give you some kudos as to writing perhaps one of the best level-headed reviews I've seen yet of the new Tool album. I've been lurking, reading, finding it strange that most who have reviewed it are new users with no reviews under their belt. (I personally don't review because I change my mind so damn frequently).
And for all those bashing the album - that it's not 'new', it's 're-hashed' (disregard my initial first impressions of it, I'm over it) etc....do yourselves a favor and re-investigate the band's alleged 'leaps and bounds' over their 2-5 year lapses. This band IN GENERAL doesn't change too much...I feel at least...they've been writing (with a few exceptions) in the key of D Minor for AGES! There's only so many variations of that key! Also it's pretty much the same core writing (Keenan, Jones, and Carey; disregarding Chancellor just because he wasn't involved originally). The new album to me, is just another GREAT Tool album. It opened up fully to me after six listens or so; I suggest the nay-sayers do the same?
Either way, to each his own.
Thanks, I decided to put a little more time this time to make it worthwhile to read. I hope I won't have to change it all because my opinions could change. If I read my reviews, it looks like I don't honestly believe what I'm saying, so I understand what you mean.
I don't know what the critics want. They all shout that it was similar in style to LAteralus and complain about filler. As you said, tool has a "formula" that started early and was perfected in Salival's Push*t live version. The formula works, so they keep using it with great results. I don't understand about the filler part. If the critics complain about Vignitti Tree, the tribal chants and Lost Keys, they are only 3 while Aenima had many awful fillers, Lateralus had that Area 51 nonsense at the end, and Undertow had a song where 6+ minutes is silence. Some critics though say that there are only about "5" songs. What on earth is that?? That means that Vicarius, Jambi, The Pot, Rosetta Stone and Right on Two are probably the songs, leaving out songs like 10,000 days and Intension. Another thigns that surprising were the claims that this sounds like the music from Maynard's side project, and that Tool sold out. How can you sell out with 9/4 rhythms and a multipart 15+ minute long epic?
I am disappointed at the reaction of the album. It seems like many listen to the album once, don't like it and rant on the internet. I thought that this album would make a huge impact on the progressive rock/metal world by fans checking out King Crimson (MAynard considered them a big influence) and then trying other old prog bands. I thought that everyone was gonna go nuts over this, but I guess many don't care about artistic expression in music, they just want to listen to simple rockin' angst music in the vein of StinkFist.
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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 23:28
Zitro I have just read your review.Thanks for the most positive review of this album I've read so far.I too was dissapointed that a lot of people dont seem to get this one.It is my favourite and Justin's bass playing is outstanding. It was interesting to see Maynard and Danny on Oz tv over the weekend hosting a music video show.They're chosen video's were showcasing the guy,s biggest music influences.It was great to see King Crimson and Peter Gabriel amongst them.------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: CaincelaOreinim
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 23:51
You really think Justin's that good on it, huh? While he does have some nice grooves, I swear everytime I listen to the album I hear/think something different. Honestly though I think Adam's tones and overall sounds are the best I've heard come out of him. Last time through I noticed a terrible problem with the bottom end on the album: it's terribly, terribly muddy and indistinct (when he's not doing those loopy delay-esque effects and whatever tone he has on the title track) tone-wise and perhaps Danny's kick drum makes matters even worse. His normal no-effects tone actually reminds me quite a bit of Doug Pinnick's of King's X who absolutely does nothing for me. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 07:51
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I have now listen to 10,000 Days 11 times. I still have the same feeling.
The new Album just doesn't do anything for me. I still come to the same conclusion it sounds like a compilation of stolen bit's and pieces from all their other Albums. They just didn't put enough time into the Album. The LP sounds rushed, (get it out Tool's name will sell the Album) is the impression I get from this Album.
Don't lash back that it took five years for a new LP. Maynard was also involved with APC in the last Five Years.
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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 08:17
I would have to agree regards Adam.
I have 2 HiFi's in my house 1 for music and the other a surround sound for movies.When I play this album on the cheaper Pioneer surround setup(with sub on but no rears) I got that muddy bottom end and did not like the sound at all.When I play it on my much cleaner sounding Mission hifi the bass comes alive without the muddiness you talk about.Perhaps this cd needs a good system to get the most out of it sonically.You can get the same effect with headphones of course which often give a cleaner aural soundscape than with speakers in a poor accoustic atmosphere. Hope that makes sense!
ps I cant wait to hear this album live.It will kick!!! ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 08:21
But Billy is not a member of Tool. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 08:26
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But he was the guitar tech. ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 12:08
 OPPs TYPO - I KNOW He should be they would sound better. APC is GREAT |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 12:57
^ but Tool are not APC ... they'll never be. And I really prefer Tool. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 13:01
Hey that's cool.
I perfer Maynard's Vocal,s with APC
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 18:03
agree
IMO Tool are way ''better'' (subjectively) than APC
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 18:41
As I have just studied for my semiology test I have tomorrow, the language is always subjective...so what you just said is redundant  Hope I know this tomorrow  ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 18:44
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^ haha, good luck |