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Topic: Fish vs Jon Anderson
Posted By: Masque
Subject: Fish vs Jon Anderson
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 08:06

Well I don`t think this has been done , one of the other forum members mentioned it and it got me thinking  who is the better lyricist out of these two blokes ?

Heres some random examples of their work 

Anderson:

 "Dawn of Light lying between a silence and sold sources/chased amid fusions of in moments hardly seen forgotten/colored in pastures of chance dancing leaves cast spells of challenge/amused but real in thought we fled from the sea"

Fish :

So here I am once more in the playground of the broken hearts ,one more experience,one more entry in a diary self penned. Yet another emotional suicide overdosed on sentiment and pride. Too late to say I love you Too late to re stage the play, Abandoning the relics in my playground of yesterday.

 

  so since Peter Gabriel is kicking Jon Anderson's butt in the other poll ( see the results so far ?)  maybe this will be a closer competition ...   




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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 08:10
wow! a poll that really hasn't been done. 

FISH!


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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 08:23
Yes - Fish. Anderson's lyrics are often random nonsense. Fish's lyrics on Fugazi are immense.

Also, not as technically pure a voice but a nicer tone and far more emotion in Fish's singing.

Wait till the Yes fanboys put in their usual bloc votes, though. Fish will soon fall far behind.


Posted By: piltdown man
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 08:24

Here I am quoting myself from the best lyricist poll:

I vote for Fish. A man who, when at his best,  can write very personal lyrics and yet everyone can relate to them. He covers both love and lost, war and peace, personal and global questions. Sometimes he gets a littel bit carried away and maybe overdoing it - some things on Fugazi, for example, is a little to much for me. Fish is at his best when heīs toned down.



Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 08:26
Originally posted by Tony Fisher Tony Fisher wrote:


Wait till the Yes fanboys put in their usual bloc votes, though. Fish will soon fall far behind.
I'm a Yes fanboy! But.....I have to vote for Fish for this particular poll.


Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 09:44

Originally posted by Phil Phil wrote:

Originally posted by Tony Fisher Tony Fisher wrote:


Wait till the Yes fanboys put in their usual bloc votes, though. Fish will soon fall far behind.
I'm a Yes fanboy! But.....I have to vote for Fish for this particular poll.

And here's another one!

Jon Anderson's strength is not in his lyrics, but in his vocals. That's something completely different.



Posted By: ProgFan
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 09:48

Fish, I love his lyrics

Jon Andersonīs lyrics arenīt so good but their music is great



Posted By: BestFreak
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:08
Somehow, sometimes I don't even understand what on earth is Anderson singing about. In that sense, I vote for Fish, even though I remember that many years ago I used to read his lyrics with a dictionary in my hand (not a native English speaker).

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Posted By: Sharier
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 10:22
comparing fish with anderson is like comparing fish with meat! Jon is not only way too an accomplished musician that melody-lacking fish, but also one of the most influential names in prog rock. well if its lyrics that determines who's the better musician-- I would have thrown away my CD player and resorted to reading lyrics only.


Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 11:30
Jon Anderson by a mile

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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:20
Originally posted by Sharier Sharier wrote:

comparing fish with anderson is like comparing fish with meat! Jon is not only way too an accomplished musician that melody-lacking fish, but also one of the most influential names in prog rock. well if its lyrics that determines who's the better musician-- I would have thrown away my CD player and resorted to reading lyrics only.


Everything you have said about Jon Anderson can equally be applied to Fish. No one is judging who the better musician is, we're just comparing the two a deciding who we think the better lyricist is. For me that's Fish, without a doubt in my mind.


Posted By: Dr Know
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:27
Fish is light years ahead


Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 12:56
Jon Anderson didn't hide the fact that he was happy.

New rule when it comes to music; no sad music if you're a multi-millionaire with a trophy wife, a private jet, and mountains of cocaine on your desk.


Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:26
What's the point?? Both are two great lyricists but IMO they have totally different styles and it's very hard to compare the best moment of Anderson (middle 70's) with the best moment of Fish (late 80's)... Comparing Anderson with Gabriel it's ok but I don't think that Anderson's spiritual poetry could be compare with Fish's introspective super-metaphoric and bitter rhymes...

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Posted By: Progfans
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 14:34
Fish in marillion was just so GREAT

He was the lead on this group and when he left, the jester disapear


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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 18:15

Fish, really a fantastic lyricist:

"An albatross in the marrytime tradition
Sheathed within the Walkman wear the halo of distortion
Aural contraceptive aborting pregnant conversation
She turned the harpoon and it pierced my heart
She hung herself around my neck"

 



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Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:25
Seeing as we're comparing things by the scale of 'happiness is stupid', let's put Yes's most tragic song's lyrics on here... Harold Land;

Harold Land with a wave of his hand said goodbye to all that.
He paid his bills and stopped the milk, then put on his hat.
He tried to say his last farewells as quickly as he could,
Promising that he would return, but doubted that he would,
Doubted that he would, doubted.

Now he's marching soldiers in the rain as on to war they rode.
A long thin line of human mind, damnation as their load.
In the mud in coldness dark, he'd shiver out his fear,
What disappointing sights he'd seen instead of ones so dear,
Instead of ones so dear, so dear.

Going home, He's going home to the land he loved so well.
Going home, He fought for two years, never fell.
Going home, He's going home,
Going home. He's going home.

Harold Land with a wave of his hand stood sadly on the stage,
Clutching red ribbons from a badge, but he didn't look his age.
Only two years had passed between his leaving home and back;
He had lost his love and youth while leading the attack, leading the attack.

In conversation it could be said,
Well after war your heart is dead.
Well it's not hard to understand,
There is no heart in Harold Land.


It's so much more powerful than anything Marillion could ever procure. Anderson could write some VERY moving music. You could almost say it drove an entire generation. Yes were the epitome of flower-power in their golden hour.

It's really not fair to compare Fish and Anderson --- Fish wrote lyrics about introspection and exploring the inner-being (but it was always unhappy...) and Anderson wrote lyrics about the brighter side of life that is overlooked.

A better comparison would be Waters vs Fish (we all know who'd win ). Time just about makes that poll obsolete.


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:40

You can't compare, really.

Fish=dramatic

Anderson=metaphysical, spiritual, whimsical

Each are excellent at what they do.



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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:42
Originally posted by daz2112 daz2112 wrote:

Jon Anderson by a mile


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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:47

Chaulk and cheese -- totally unrelated (OK, they're both prog lyricist/vocalists).Stern Smile

Anderson is "best" for Yes, Fish for Marillion.

(Each are inseparable from their bands and music -- neither would "work" in the other's band.)

 

 

Just ask: "Who is more popular here these days?" the next time....Ermm

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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 21:11

Originally posted by Tony Fisher Tony Fisher wrote:

Yes - Fish. Anderson's lyrics are often random nonsense. Fish's lyrics on Fugazi are immense.

Also, not as technically pure a voice but a nicer tone and far more emotion in Fish's singing.

Wait till the Yes fanboys put in their usual bloc votes, though. Fish will soon fall far behind.

Yes fan boys!! What trite.Anderson was a focal point of the greatest prog/rock band ever and as much as I love Fish the comparison is plain stupid.I agree Fish's lyrics are at times simply superb but before the man lost his way to his mother earth shennanigans his lyrics to 78 were amazing.Anderson's voice has more emotion than any other singer and his voice whilst not the best that is Hammill, Jon's sounds the best just



Posted By: walrus333
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 21:15
I like Anderson`s vocal style better, but as a lyric writer Fish is much better in my opinion.

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