what do you play your VINYL on...?
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Topic: what do you play your VINYL on...?
Posted By: mystic fred
Subject: what do you play your VINYL on...?
Date Posted: April 13 2006 at 18:02
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after years of searching for my ideal prog sound, here are my favourite turntables and i can highly recommend them....!
one of the most popular high-end turntables available, amazingly detailed stereo image, excellent bass, spacious clear soundstage, very revealing though low surface noise. will show up flaws in a bad recording. fitted with ITTOK tonearm and AUDIO TECHNICA AT440ML cartridge.
legendary quality, lively detailed sound, excellent sound quality for a budget turntable. fitted with RB300 tonearm and AUDIO TECHNICA AT440ML cartridge. used with JVC A-X2 class "A" amplifier and HEYBROOK HB2 speakers.
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LINN SONDEK LP12
REGA PLANAR 3Replies:
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 09:25
Bravo!
Indeed, these are the two turntable i always recommend! Rega 3 is the best quality/price in whole Hifi, along with Jolida for tube amps. On another hand, JVC amp is bad. Replaced it by a good Rotel i.e, it will be miles better. The Elyss or Super Elyss cartridge provided with the Rega Planar 3 is a litle good one to start. But serious vynil requires a moving coil, which is a another world, such as a good "Dynavector" one. 
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 14:42
thanks for the tips! ...always looking to improve. ------------- Prog Archives Tour Van
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 15:02
| And what about tubes amps, cables, vib'cancelling and power optimization? |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: April 14 2006 at 15:04
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A 10 year old Marantz . Never had to change the belt on it
Through a Cambridge 50 watt per channel amp ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Flyingsod
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 17:45
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Don't point at me and laugh! Im no audiophile :) I have a Technics SL-bd22. It's sitting in an unlevel position but not so bad it causes skipping. I let the needle wear down so badly even I could hear the difference when I put a new one in. I put in a audio technica dc20. I've been thinking of a serious upgrade. When you guys say "budget" turntable what do ya mean. I know to an audiophile a budget thing can be 2000 dollars worth of budget :) I can't afford that much. Thanks. |
Posted By: tdreamer
Date Posted: April 24 2006 at 18:56
I have a Technics SL -bD20D it's 10 years old and does me just fine. I would eventually like to upgrade to a better one with a budjet of 600 pounds. Any suggestions would be appreciated. |
Flyingsod wrote:Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 01:11
| Rega Planar 3 is what you need. |
Posted By: tdreamer
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 13:06
How much does one cost ????? I have a limited budjet. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 14:30
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In UK, its' available for the ridiculous price of £274 new (the last version moreover).
The original RB300 arm is very good, and the original "super Elyss" cartrige provided with it, is a nice musical little one. Rega 3 is an extremely musical source which beats many CD It can even be used on big system with a big moving coil cartridge. Fantastic source for the price, it also has the advantage to be a very simple design, easy to fit. You can also get it on second hand for about half of the price. A FANTASTIC SOURCE FOR THE PRICE http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk "A grown-up version of the Planar 2, this classic deck has sold in vast quantities since its inception way back in 1978. Although it gets an improved plinth, platter and bearing, its most distinguishing feature is the RB300 arm - a budget classic if ever there was one. Given a good cartridge and proper siting on a vibration-free support, the Planar 3 will embarrass many far more expensive CD players. Its civilised yet musical performance is soft and subtle yet detailed and engaging. Although bettered by slightly more expensive separate turntable/arm combinations, as a 'plug in and play' solution it's superb. And it's also the only turntable available in purple - an extra £15 buys you a choice of seven pretty colours!" 
Rega website: "For over twenty years the P3 has been the favourite high performance turntable for the music loving public, having a beguiling blend of classically clean looks, high performance and amazing value for money. This latest version carries some new innovative changes in design, which make it without doubt the highest performance and musical P3 to date. Just some of the features include an ultra low mass micro-fibre plinth laminated with highly rigid phenolic resin laminate. The Motor The P3 motor assembly uses the very highest quality synchronous motor found in turntables five times the price of the P3! The motor is itself controlled by Rega's innovative new electronic circuitry, which results in this already low vibration motor running almost totally vibration free. The Platter The platter is hand crafted from floated plate glass 12mm in thickness. This makes for a superb platter material as it has few resonance problems, is extremely flat and has good mass. The Tonearm The P3 carries arguably the most famous tonearm ever produced, the legendary RB300. This tonearm will never be found wanting for performance and will make cartridges work very hard to provide you with astonishing quantities of musical detail." |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 14:48
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I want one of those.
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 15:00
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You are right!
This is a little wonder... 
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 15:04
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I have a really crappy all in one unit which also has a tape deck right
now that I bought used. During the summer, after I get a job, I think
I'm going to start saving up for some better equipment!
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 15:44
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You can have much pleasure, that's very useful investment, worth some work!
As you live in USA, the best country for hifi, as a amp, i would advice you what i have: Jolida 302, which is quite as good as a Conrad Johnson (american reference tube brand) for less than third of the price. That's the real deal. (It's an integrated, so you don't need preamp): 
You aLso have the best cables brands with Transparent cables, Nordost, Cardas , Kimber cables, Tara labs (rather for entry level products), etc... 
As cheap loudspeakers, i advice you a pair of good bookshelf Boston on good feet. 
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 15:53
you can pick them up on ebay for about £200.00 ------------- Prog Archives Tour Van
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 15:59
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Yes, all is available at half price on second hand.
You can buy through ebay, but that's better to meet the seller before to check that the device is fine. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 16:03
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I have a Technics thing - not even sure what model it is, but it's about 30 years old and going strong.
It sounds better than CD when playing a first pressing through my Akai amp and Misson speakers to anyone that hears it - and that's good enough for me.  ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 01:11
| You should replace your Akaï amp by a Nad or a Rotel. That's very poor. Keep the Mission on another hand and cable your system with QED cables! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 02:53
Thanks for the advice, but the big advantage the Akai has over everything else I looked at in its price range (around £500 back in 1998) is that it has a huge range of inputs, including SP/DIF which was rare at that time - and more importantly for me, outputs. For the money, it does everything I need it to - and it sounds fine in my living room.  ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 03:29
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Why do you need these connectics?
My father had a big Akai integrated, i can tell that's very bad, not musical. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 04:01
Au contraire - if it was bad and not musical I would stop listening to it and buy something that sounded better. It feeds a Reel-to-Reel, a MiniDisc recorder, a cassette deck, a video recorder and a computer, so it needs these outputs. As it is, I've yet to hear anything that sounds as good (to my reasonably musical ears) in the price range. A friend of mine has a comparably sized and specced Rotel which has a less musical sound (to my ears). So maybe your father was unlucky and got a turkey - but mine is fine ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 04:44
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Rotel is miles better than Akai! Your friend's system has a big problem!
Try Nad also, i can't tell you better in the price range. Nad and Rotel inegrated should features the required connectics (however i'm not sure cause their products are minimalist as all musical devices). |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: April 29 2006 at 05:19
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listen to Uncle Oliver, he knows his stuff - not much in this world is free, but there is nothing better than free advice!
by the way, you've one component diong too many jobs - junk the "mini disc" recorder (yecccccch!) and the reel to reel etc. and keep it all simple. quality rules over convenience IMHO. ------------- Prog Archives Tour Van
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: April 29 2006 at 06:06
Thanks Mystic!  i'm pleased to see that you're happy with your new amp!
And yes Mini disc is cr** IMO. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 30 2006 at 17:15
I know he knows his stuff. I also know what my ears tell me - and what I need to to with the bits and pieces I own. No-one needs a huge amount of electronic junk - a guitar is the best way to hear guitar music - and costs less than Ollie's cables. However, I bought these toys to fulfil a purpose, and they still do what I bought 'em for. Anything I don't use gets flogged on eBay. The quality of my Akai is just fine - I must have been lucky and picked a good one. The whole point of getting it was that it was a work-horse to do multiple jobs. The quality of sound it has is extremely high for its class - and, without bragging, I have better ears for music than most. Thanks for the advice anyway. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 12:44
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you're welcome! ------------- Prog Archives Tour Van
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Posted By: bsurmano
Date Posted: May 31 2006 at 15:08
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My configuration :
PHILIPS AF 829 MK II turntable ( year of production 1981 )
MARANTZ 1060 console stereo amplifier ( YOP 1977 )
ACOUSTIC RESEARCH AR 16 speakers ( YOP 1977 )
performing faultless !
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: May 31 2006 at 15:30
| Are the Project Debut turntables any good, some of them are less than half the price of Rega Planar 3? Also, if I bought a turntable, an amplifier and speakers, would I also need a phono preamp? |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: June 01 2006 at 03:56
Having not had the chance to audition Project Debut i couldn't comment on their performance but i have heard they are very good for the price. I have a Rega Planar 3 with an RB250 tonearm. the budget project models are based on the rega design. Check out some reviews, or if you are lucky and have a good hifi store near you that will demo both makes, even better!
http://www.hifigear.co.uk/site/scripts/product_browse.php?category_id=15&product_id=75 - http://www.hifigear.co.uk/site/scripts/product_browse.php?category_id=15&product_id=75
http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/rega/turntables/PRD_121356_1597crx.aspx - http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/rega/turntables/PRD_121356_1597crx.aspx
Whether you would need a phono preamp would depend on which model amp you decide on, some have a built-in phono preamp and some don't, though if you need one they can be bought for about £60. In hifi, like anything else, you get what you pay for, but if you are careful you might find a bargain! ------------- Prog Archives Tour Van
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 01 2006 at 09:36
| ^Thanks, I guess I'll try before I buy, but if there aren't any huge differencies between Project and Rega, the cheapest model is probably good enough for me. |
Posted By: wolf0621
Date Posted: June 02 2006 at 07:36
Very good Certified, stick to your guns...Audio is for the most part subjective, so the single most important thing is being happy with what you hear, not what someone else tells you they hear. After all, you're the one listening to your system long-term, not them...Reviewers, audiophiles & other sources can be helpful in making listeners aware of other options available, alternate configurations you may not have thought of, possible tweaking of gear, publishing of objective measurement results, etc but they can't listen for you with your ears...
And convenience & features definitely play a part in selecting audio components. I have a friend (an all-tube audiophile) who tried to convince me once that it was worth him disconnecting/reconnecting certain components from his tube preamp each time he wanted to listen to different sources because that particular preamp was the best, and he could hear the difference with any other component in the chain (even though he later admitted that the benefits he heard were "minor"). So he was perfectly happy to go through that inconvenience & live with the limited inputs, all for the sake of his perceived slightly superior sound. Most people aren't willing to put up with that, even if someone else could "prove" to them that the sound quality was superior...
From a design perspective, building (and owning) the "ultimate" discreet components is relatively easy. All it takes is money (OK, sometimes not so easy!)...What's much more difficult is to build components that walk that tightrope between performance, functionality & price, and to assemble a system of such components that work well together & meet your specific user needs...I find this ultimately more satisfying than just reading the reviews, determining "the best", then plunking down my thousands & hauling that gear home...
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Posted By: wolf0621
Date Posted: June 02 2006 at 17:32
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Getting back to the origianl thread for a sec, check this out:
http://www.elpj.com/ - http://www.elpj.com/
and at:
http://www.ohgizmo.com/2006/02/12/wheels-of-light/ - http://www.ohgizmo.com/2006/02/12/wheels-of-light/
A new gizmo that reads vinyl using lasers, and expensive enough to appeal to any true audiophile!
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: June 04 2006 at 04:20
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Yes i've heard about these and seen them for sale on ebay, i'd love to audition one for a few days. ------------- Prog Archives Tour Van
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 14:13
| Instead of the Project Debut that I considered I ended up buying Goldring GR 1.2 with NAD PP2 preamp. So far I think it was a very good buy. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 14:40
| Unfortunatly the Creek preamp for the same price works better. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 14:48
| ^Which one? If you mean Creek OBH 18, the price is twice as much as the NAD. |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 14:52
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How much did you paid the Nad?
I know that there's a Creek around 100/120€. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 14:54
| The NAD was 89€. There weren't any Creek phono preamps at the shop where I bought it. |
Posted By: Minkia
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:56
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Is Judy Collins prog...? ------------- RELIGION IS HATE, RELIGION IS FEAR, RELIGION IS WAR,RELIGION IS RAPE, RELIGION'S OBSCENE,RELIGION'S A WHORE |
Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 12:54
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what do you dorks think about this, i've been thinking of picking it up, i have a turntable, but would like to convert my stuff to mp3 and without hassle
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BUEMOO/sr=8-3/qid=1150303850/ref=pd_bbs_3/103-2275109-2205401?%5Fencoding=UTF8 - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BUEMOO/sr=8-3/qid=1150303850/ref=pd_bbs_3/103-2275109-2205401?%5Fencoding=UTF8
 Aaron
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 15:54
| If you don't want the hassle then go for it, but you could probably get better results using a normal setup. |
Posted By: Flyingsod
Date Posted: June 14 2006 at 21:57
| That thing scares me. No specs about the D/A convertors or what rate it records at. unless you have a 9 dollar soundcard in your computer I'd go the cheap route and get a really long audio cord and use the computer soundcard to do the recording. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 16 2006 at 17:43
The ELP turntable? Now that's what I call Progressive 
/but hang on - if you shine several lasers at a piece of plastic, won't it melt? Light generates heat, and heat is THE ENEMY... ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |