Andrew Lloyd Webber...
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Topic: Andrew Lloyd Webber...
Posted By: Chris S
Subject: Andrew Lloyd Webber...
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 04:15
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.........and the piano lid came down and snapped his f**king fingers....it's a miracle.... What ALW but no Led Zep or Sabbath or even PC What's next Disney's Phil Collin's or Phantom Of The Opera? Give me Stairway To Heaven anyday ( OH I KNOW I"M RIGHT ON THIS ONE TOO) ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
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Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 05:05
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 05:32
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http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=10885 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=10885 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Stiefel
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 05:41
Sorry, but who is Webber?
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 06:39
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Why is Andrew Lloyd Webber in Various Artists? He should have its own profile.
And what's this about? ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Chris Stacey wrote:Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 14:19
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Basically I was referring to Roger Water's Amused To Death album where he sings on the song ' It's a miracle' that where Andrew lloyd Webber is playing in a theatre, an earthquake occurs, the piano lid comes down and snaps his f**king fingers"!!!!! Waters at his cynical best- he hates ALW! I was venting my personal frustration that Andrew lloyd Webber had been included for an album under the Various Artists review, by Certified. Give me PC ( Phil Collins anyday!!!) ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 14:34
It's a quote from Roger Water's song It's a miracle from his album Amused to death (precisely it's the end of the song). But the above quote is not exact, there should be: We cower in our shelters With our hands over our ears Lloyd-Webber's awful stuff Runs for years and years and years An earthquake hits the theatre But the operetta lingers Then the piano lid comes down And breakes his f**king fingers It's a miracle It seems Waters doesn't like Lloyd-Webber...   ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 14:53
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Well, I like Waters for all he's done with Floyd (his solo work is awful, worst from Floyd members, apart from Mason, which I never heard...), but he's still an idiot. That's not a nice thing to sing. How would he feel if someone wrote about him acting in Ça Ira and cheer as his head is accidentaly chopped off by a guilloutine due to an earthquake? ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 15:14
The "Non" gay musical comedys writer and composer... did I mentioned he is "not" gay??? ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 15:22
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I've never heard 'Variations', and it turns up in seemingly everyone's records for sale at boot sales etc (a fact collectors would no doubt be aware of by now...) but it has a very prog cast; I think all of Colosseum II are on it though and it's often mentioned by Certif1ed as being a prog album, thus why he added it. I have no problem with this, but the day 'Cats', 'Joseph and his Multicoloured Dreamcoat', 'Chess' et al. get added, that's about time I question my position here... |
Posted By: opera_guy
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 15:26
| ALW is horrible. Joseph and the Amazing Technical Dreamcoat is ok, but everything else is crap. BTW he did not write Chess. That was Bjorn Ulvaes(The guy from ABBA). |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 15:59
Well, I like Waters' solo work very much. For me his solo career is a natural continuation of Pink Floyd. As I stated in another thread I always considered him (and I still do of course) the spiritus movens of the band. Without Waters Pink Floyd lacked the spirit. ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:03
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BTW, Waters sings about breaking Lloyd-Webber's fingers not chopping his head off. That's a difference. ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:06
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It's all a matter of taste, really. If I were to choose I would rather save ALW's fingers that stoping Waters from loosing his head... Oh wait, he did that already...
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 03:56
Me too. But Variations is unquestionably a very fine Prog album - even if you don't like it or ALW. If you see it at a car boot sale and it's not horribly scratched, then buy it - it makes Sky sound like a bunch of also-rans. Note that I added it under "Various" - there's no way I'd want ALW in the archives, Prog related or not. But that's just me being biased. Variations NEEDS to be in the archives, and you should listen to it if you are wondering why it's here. And that's not me being biased.  ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 07:25
 That is just brilliant! |
Posted By: lpd42
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 14:55
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Webber's work with jim steinman, dance of the vampires (based on the roman polanski film) is definately worth a listen.
And come on, Overature from Jesus Christ Superstar (the original studio-recorded rock-opera, not the film soundtrack) is an essential prog track. It's sinister, creepy vibe makes it a highlight as far as the darker side of the genre. The rest of that original double album is pretty good too, much better than the billions of recordings of it that have come since. (I've always said Mekanik Destructiw Kommandoh, one of my prog faves, is part Carmina Burana, part Jesus Christ Superstar!) most everything else ALW has done, however, I do agree isn't that good. ------------- Blarg! My cheese has bones! |
Posted By: Kleynan
Date Posted: May 04 2006 at 16:44
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Im actually a Webber fan... well, my family is, and I kind of got born into it. I can only say that Webber is at least better than Waters in making an opera, and Waters doesn't have the complexity of Webber. Roger can be rather harsh at times. :( ------------- 
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Posted By: AngelRat
Date Posted: May 09 2006 at 16:51
I fully agree on this! Although 'Cats' and 'Phantom Of The Opera' enable me to have a closer look at the former contents of my stomach, I always quite liked the original 'Jesus Christ Superstar'. Ian Gillan rules as Christ. -------------  |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 11:59
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It's good to know there are other people with the same, low opinion of ALW and his music that I have!!
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: May 10 2006 at 12:42
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http://www.answers.com/topic/echoes-1971-song - This is what Waters' issue with ALW is really about... scroll to the bottom.
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Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: May 15 2006 at 03:53
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Andrew Loyd Webber and Tim Rice's Jesus Chrus Superstar is a masterpiece of rock music. Didn't like their other efforts, altough Evita (original recording) has its moments. His Requiem with Domingo is good too. The rest is broadway crap. ------------- Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 07 2006 at 07:00
| It seems that you guys don't remember JCS... isn't Heaven on their minds a prog song ? Tim Rice wrote the lyrics, and he's the same author of many Wakeman's albums (The myths and legends.. for example). ALW is NOT a prog musician, but I think he can stay in the prog related section. |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: November 11 2006 at 02:28
OK. So, I've a very liberal policy on what constitutes prog, so I'm not gonna argue any works "prog-worthyness". But: I know Andrew Lloyd Webber's work. What I've heard (My mom is a huge fan, sigh) JCS, Evita, Phantom of the Opera, Joseph and his ATD, Cats...Its utter hackwork. Musical garbage. The lowest common denominator of musical theater. What utter "squares" think rock/compelling music is. Now couple this with Jim Steinman. The man responsible for Meat Loaf's Bat Out Of Hell, and subsequent sequels...true dreck. Now, I've never heard this "Dance of the Vampires" you speak of...and quite frankly...good. What an utterly unholy combo. I don't care if Jesus/Mohammed/Buddah/Xenu himself appeared before me and commanded me to listen to this... Good lord people, have you no shame? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: SolariS
Date Posted: November 17 2006 at 01:03
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I can't believe you guys don't like Phantom of the Opera! I love that soundtrack. I'm not trying to claim he's prog or anything, but come on. seriously. It's good music...but then again, maybe you're just not a fan of musicals and operas in general. -------------  
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 23 2006 at 03:58
Well, the last phrase is right, at least. I wouldn't put JCS into the same brackets as the rest - you're just biased because your mom likes it. And you haven't even mentioned the Variations - the single work that is in the archives - which is a Prog Rock masterpiece of the highest order.[/quote]
Again, you finally said something true - the sequels to Bat... were appalling and got worse, but Bat... is quite magnificent. Again, Steinman was a writer of musicals, and, while many look down on this genre (quite rightly, in my opinion), that is not to say that everything that comes from it is rubbish. It depends on how you are measuring it - but you don't qualify any of your statements, which drags them down several levels of significance. 
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Posted By: Kim Ankara
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 06:41
Was going to mention that. I recognise the similarity, but that particular line is a simple chromatic run down and back up again so I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Funnily the Phantom Overture is the only thing of ALW's I don't dislike. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 06:53
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If Waters sued everybody who'd ever borrowed from Pink Floyd's back catalogue, he'd be a very wealthy man - and the world would be down a large number of very good bands - notably in the Krautrock genre. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: April 21 2007 at 07:13
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have you ever listened to the first original recording of "Jesus Christ Superstar", featuring Ian Gillan and John Gustafson? I know that most musicals fall out of the borders of prog rock, but some of them show a real prog attitude, and JCS is one of them. Mr Roger Waters hates A. L. Webber? WHO CARES!!!!!!!????? (By the way, it seems that Leonardo and Michael Angelo hated each other. Would you question they were both genius?) ------------- 
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 26 2007 at 03:05
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^JCS is the first proper rock opera, and the version with Gillan playing Jesus is the best, IMO - it sounds more like a Prog Rock album than it sounds like a musical or an opera.
By contrast, Tommy and SF Sorrow are just sets of songs that happen to tell a story - Singspeil, I believe it's known as.
JCS has recitative, aria, multi-part singing (where each character sings their own part against another's equally distinguishable part - not mere harmonisation), a twisted and unlikely plot, love intrigue, death - in other words, everything an opera should have! ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: paolo.beenees
Date Posted: April 26 2007 at 06:41
Mark, please, forgive me for this rush of national pride... The first real rock opera was "Orfeo 9" by Tito Schipa jr. Despite being issued as an album only in 1973, it was first performed in Rome in January 1970.
For the rest, I agree. I'm a huge fan of JCS! "Then when we retire we can write the Gospels so they'll still talk about us when we die" - interesting interpretation! -------------
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 26 2007 at 11:30
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I must confess, I don't know that one...
To regain a little of my own national pride, Joseph and The Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat was the very first - although in reality a rock musical - the First Performance of that was in 1968.
However, the musical itself is not much to take pride in, and I note that Tito Schipa Jr produced a show based on Dylan songs called The Beat Opera in 1967.
Joseph was actually Lloyd Webber's second musical - the first was composed in 1965 - and JCS was originally released as an album in 1970...
The barrel now well and truly scraped, I'll go see if I can find a copy of Orfeo 9, as the Internet seems pretty short on information...  ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 26 2007 at 12:11
That never occurred to me before... Um, well, they are the same notes
 , but the question if Webber had copied Pink Floyd... it seems like one of those riffs that more people can invent, apart from each other, without necessarily stealing from each other. But I'm not sure, Roger could be right, and if that's the case, I can understand his anger. |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: April 27 2007 at 08:28
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Roger Waters is right on this, I also noticed this plagiaris some time ago,and I wondered whether any legal action was taken because of it. Phantom... is horrible IMHO BTW.
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: May 02 2007 at 20:09
is the 3rd richest music person in the U.K. . The rest are just innuendo & falsehoods spread by those who know the truth. Which is that Webber has X talent (fill in your own value) |