Hardest Bad Player To Overlook
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Topic: Hardest Bad Player To Overlook
Posted By: TOD KREMER
Subject: Hardest Bad Player To Overlook
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 00:36
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Many bands have weak links (you can debate who they may be all you want) but which particular instrumentalist in general is the most difficult to overlook when you are trying to enjoy a progressive album and this fellow is just not keeping up? For me, it would be the singer (for instance, James LaBrie just kills DT for me when otherwise they would probably be my favorite modern prog band). Others feel the same way about Geddy. Trespass is hard for me to listen to because John Silver's shortcomings (on drums) are actually distracting. I wish drums were more accomplished on alot of albums because I have been spoiled by the "greats". For me, it would be bad singer the biggest killer, followed by bad drummer. |
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Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 00:59
I completey agree. The voice of a band stands out the most, so when the message of the song is trying to be portrayed through a terrible voice - it just makes you wanted throw the record out the window! And by being a drummer myself, i can't stand to listen to bad drummers. My interpretation of "bad" is someone who plays inappropriately - too simplistic in a complex setting, or too complex in a simplistic setting. Even someone who bashes and overplays when a song is chill and quiet. You get what i mean.
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TOD KREMER wrote:Posted By: Black Mog
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 01:12
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For me i go for bad singer... Many good band could be so different(better) if they have another singer(when i talk about a bad singer, i didnt say he sing bad.. i say he does'nt go with the sound of the band) For me a good singer is a singer who give you the impression that his voice is an intrument :P Example of singer who sound bad for me for me are: Dream Theater - Sorry but its the kind of vocals i would like to have in a power metal band... Coheed and Cambria - I really like this band...but i recognize that its will be a lot better(accessible) with a vocal least acute( why coheed and Cambria are sometimes considered as EMO ) The dillinger Escape Plan - Ouch !!! please we absolutely want to hear the instrumental side. Ice Age - What the hell... i have sometimes the impression that Dennis the young is the singer of this band. An example for me of singer who totally goes with the music is Riverside, Opeth, Dredg, Pink Floyd, Radiohead :P and many other
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 01:20
 thats myexperiencee at being a drummer in bands and one of the reasons i`m why I`m not a drummer in a band anymore . Yet I was told by people I don`t even know i`m a great drummer all the time. (peart cross ehart) is my style but the blokes I was playing with only ever complained about me. Listening to tapes recently of the years I was in a band I have to admit I did go off a little bit to much but that wouldn`t have happened if they had of shown more enthusiasm in what they were meant to be doing , a drummer needs a decent bass player without that he is going to be a bad drummer.
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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 02:29
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bad drumming is as bad as bad singing
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 02:33
Drummer. Without a good drummer it all falls apart. Listen to "Sommerabend" by Novalis, and you'll know what I mean. 
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Posted By: UnknownFlow
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 03:13
| For me it would be bad Guitar or Keyboard playing, it's not as commen but seeing as your holding quite a firm bit of ground in a band to be messing that up can be pretty distracting. |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 08:26
| Drummer |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 10:04
I find my playing is painfully bad, and hard to get past.  Seriously, though... a bad drummer is pretty tough to get past, for me. ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: Single Coil
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 10:31
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Bad Singer - I really don't listen to the singer as much as the rest of the band - but I just never end up giving the band a chance if I can't stand the singer. Bad Guitarist - Probably since I play guitar.... my favorite bands have a lot of guitar compared to keyboards, so there's alot riding on the guitar player in the group for me. ------------- If it's worth playing, it's worth playing loud! |
Posted By: Time-Machinist
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 10:37
| Drummer, and then singer IMO... |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 10:44
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The drummer, because if he can't play he makes everyone sound wrong.
While the singer is often the focus of the band, he's less important than usual in a prog context. |
Posted By: rushfan6588
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 12:48
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I voted for keyboardist...because prog is known for having extensive solo sections within its music...therefore when the keyboardists turn comes around a poor solo can go a long way towards killing a good song Also bassist should be mantioned...few drummers can play well without a bassist...Guy Evans being one of the few exceptions. Also many non or even counter rythim guitar players....Alex Lifeson comes to mind...thrive on a adequate bassist to be the perverbial glue that holds the song together. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 13:34
| As I cannot play any instrument, it is harder for me to actually recognise bad playing (unless we're talking about punk!), so I voted for the singer. Then, I must admit I have a weakness for singers who can really sing: "unique" voices (in many cases a euphemism for bad) just don't do it for me, I'm afraid. The one possible exception is Roger Waters, who is in my opinion a very expressive singer, though his vocals are far from perfect. |
Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 14:00
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for me DT's weakest link is the drumming - portnoy's playing does nothing for me ------------- 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 15:51
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How about lyricist But ill vote for singer. Though most singers don't bother me, so its hard for me to use that excuse with bands i dont like. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 17:44
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Singing. I would really like Rush if only Geddy would SHUT UP AND PLAY HIS GUITAR! After that, probably lyricist *cough* ClosetotheEdgeandFrancestheMute *cough* followed by drummer and guitarist. |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 17:52
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Bassist can really make bands great. If a band has a great guitarist or keyboardist, big deal, every band has at least one great musician. When a bassist is great, he makes his whole band better. He gives other musicians a chance to play more interesting parts, and he himself can add a whole new character to a band. I would give many bands much better reviews if they only had good bassist. Bad bassist can totally break an album. The grooves to the songs are much simpler and boring. The chords loose musical innovation, and so many things can go wrong. Any idea what's it's like to listen to a great drummer and have a bass player rush the groove? Any idea what's it's like to hear a great guitarist solo over the wrong chords? It's not that the drummer is rushing or the guitarist is in the wrong key, it's the bass player making all of the musicians around him sound worse. Now you're looking at my signature thinking I'm a bass fanboy... -------------  
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 18:18
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Singer.Bad vocals just act on my nerves... though I'm yet to meet a prog band where the singer would annoy me.
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Posted By: cowbell1
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 20:03
| Really this is no question to any genera of music. |
Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 20:23
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Singer... but then I prefer no vocals to most vocalists, so this answer is pretty obvious for me.
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Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 20:54
| It's a tough desicion for me. I really have not heard ANY band so far that a member has "killed it" or ruined it for me. EXCEPT for example, the singer for OPETH. I like thier music and everything, but I REALLY don't like growling vocals. I would probably have to vote singer then, though I enjoy almost any vocals such as James Labrie, Geddy lee and others people seem to hate. Though I play bass, I think the singers get the short end of the stick in this situation. Too bad people were as critical of the musicians as they are of the vocalists. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: April 07 2006 at 21:48
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Singer and drummer!
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Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:36
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I vote for drummer, maybe 'cos I'm not familiar with drums playing enough. So I can't recognize all drumers mistakes in fact... -------------  
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Posted By: Dirk
Date Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:40
| Singing definitely, if the vocals are consistently bad a record becomes unlistenable pretty soon. |
Posted By: DrWizard
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 17:06
| Singers get a raw deal i think because I don't really care if a band has a great singer if they have good music also but bad singers get so agravating. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 17:14
For me its a bad bass player that really erks me, but that would be because I am one (bass player I mean ). Bad vocals can get annoying but I can get passed them, for example I dont like Death Metal growls but I like Opeth because their music is so good. I aslo dont like Symphony X's last album to much because Micheal LePond was very boreing and uncreative on this album (hope he picks up on the new album). ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 17:59
| Most problems I have with prog bands are either the singer can't hit a note or an appalling drummer - of which there are many. |
Posted By: Zoso
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 18:03
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Bassists that can't hold it down get on my nerves, but that may just be because I play bass.
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Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 19:50
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A bad drummer can kill everything. Even if the vocals are bad, the music has a chance to save it. ------------- www.myspace.com/fatherunderground |
Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 19:50
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A bad drummer can kill everything. Even if the vocals are bad, the music has a chance to save it. A sloppy drummer (like the one from Small Faces) can cost a band its reputation. ------------- www.myspace.com/fatherunderground |
Posted By: Tenth Chaffinch
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 19:51
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Sorry for the two posts, computer didn't want to comply. ------------- www.myspace.com/fatherunderground |
Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 19:57
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I voted vocalist. I can only listen to Yes in small dosages because of Jon Anderson.
Donīt get me wrong I do like Yes, just those high vocals irritate me.
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Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 21:50
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I vote for singer. But really, anyone in a band can screw up the listening experience.
But if I don't like the voice, the music can never be good. The vocals have to fit the music.
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