Pigs (Three Different Ones)
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Topic: Pigs (Three Different Ones)
Posted By: gold1ng
Subject: Pigs (Three Different Ones)
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 08:53
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This piece is one of my all time favourite Floyd tracks, and I'd like
to get more info's about it from people who might know something. My big question is, who's the song about? Obviously the "pigs", taken from Orwell's "Animal Farm", reflect the powerfull, greedy corporate or political figures in our society, but seeing as the 3rd part of the song is 'dedicated' to Mary Whitehouse, I thought perhaps the 2 previous parts are about actual figures as well. The 1st part of the song is obviously about a man: "Big man, pig man" The 2nd part is also about an old woman, and I quote: "You f**ked up old hag" So are these 2 parts about people made up in Roger's creative mind, or are these real persons, such as Mary Whitehouse? All related comments are appreciated! |
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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 10:27
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I'm pretty sure the first two were simply representitive characters, symbolizing specific types of people for which Waters wanted to express scorn. But I could be wrong! Since the title specifically states "Three different Ones", they may in fact be specific individuals. In that case I don't think we'll ever know who the "bus stop rat bag" is, though, unless Waters wants to tell us. All Michael Moorcock (yes, THE Michael Moorcock) had to say was: "Bit hard on the pigs. But I get the drift...:) " ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi"> 
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Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 10:30
| Mary Whitehouse was a real person. I guess she was really anti-sex or something like that. |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 10:44
| I heard You effed up old hag was referring to Margaret Thatcher. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:00
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Well I checked my usual favorite place for song facts... but not a lot on Pigs.. however take a look: http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=1695 - http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=1695 This one was better: http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/a/an/animals__album_.html - http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/a/an/animals_ _album_.html
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Posted By: gold1ng
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:17
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Wizard, Whitehouse wasn't just anti-sex, but was anti-freedom of speech
and legislated heavy laws concerning censorship in England. And gdub, both my father and I thought the "old hag" could be Thatcher as well. According to threefates' second link, the two women mentioned are in fact Thatcher and Whitehouse. Thanks guys. |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 14:45
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It's a decent summary, but I don't think it's worth relying on as a reference (i.e., where are they getting their facts?). Thatcher is an obvious possiblity but she doesn't totally fit the description. Why, for instance, would Waters specifically refer to Whitehouse but not either of the others by name? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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gold1ng wrote:Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 15:05
Yes it was Mary Whitehouse he was referring to-I thought that was common knowledge. ------------- 
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 18:28
Actually they probably got that information from interviews he's done. I've read where he's mentions Maggie Thatcher in reference to Animals a few times before. It might also have something to do with her picture, which was flashed several times on the big screen behind them at the concerts... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 18:33
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Yes,but Animals predates Thatcher. -------------
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 18:44
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really? ok...I was wrong and you were right. there...I said it!.....you happy now?! |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 18:48
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I thought you were the great historian eGREGious? Bring it er on...? -------------
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 18:54
Historian I am not. I am a history enthusiast...is that a better way to describe it?You want to challenge me in the WWII bit then I welcome you to try RED Lover.
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 18:58
What was the codename for Germany's invasion of Russia? -------------
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 19:05
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Barbarosa Baby!!...well only Barbarosa The Winter War in 39-40 was fought between who? |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 19:17
Dunno.....Soviets and Finns? -------------
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 19:18
Yes |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 19:18
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Simon and Garfunkel ???????
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 19:34
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I seem to remember Sweden bottling it just after the "Winter War"....now all the citizens have to go round in stupid clown masks as a punishment! New rule for the forum:
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 19:38
Sorry my lamb, just can´t see that image 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 19:52
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Happen as well!
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 19:58
 Oh Well ............................Like ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 11:19
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well i jus thought it was a reference to the three little pigs fable or nursery cryme. whatever it is. that was a famous tale of three pigs, and these are three different ones ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 11:54
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As Prime Minister maybe, but not as a leader in British politics... She was actually the Education minister for 4 years... sound familiar "We don't need no education".. "She held several ministerial appointments including education minister (1970-74). Elected leader of her Party (the Opposition) in 1975, she became prime minister in 1979."
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 12:51
Ha,Ha Reed Lover...Looks like I was right! Now DO PUSH-UPS!!!...50 of them!!! |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 13:10
Don't talk rubbish you impudent oaf. Thatcher was not a big player in Brit Politics until her surprise election to Leader Of The Fascists.She was notorious for endingfree school milk but you are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 9 3/4! -------------
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 13:24
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I can remember paying for school milk since I was a wee little kindergartener..I believe it was 3 cents at the time.Early 70's!! Leave it to you Brits to get your panties in a bundle for not getting a free hand out. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 13:26
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Don´t drink milk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You´ll just end up like gdub 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 13:32
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It's where he drinks it from that frightens me! How can a state handout be free when you've already paid for it in taxes? Now let's not start that again.......
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 13:32
Or worse like TWEED LOVER 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 13:36
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You are the Tweed Lover you sweaty-sock wannabe! All that "Donald where's me troosers?" stuff, what's so good about those savages north of the border? -------------
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 13:39
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Yeah life SOCKS.......Like ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 13:47
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Got Socks? Socks....makes a foot smell bad. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 13:51
Yes I know, you should try a wee sniff of Reeds feet 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 13:58
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Sweaty Socks = Jocks
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 14:06
yeah...you're quite the athlete there tubby. |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 17:52
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I'd never made the connection between "Three Little Pigs" and "Three Different Ones" before. I feel silly for not thinking of that. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 17:55
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"Geez... God must really be proud at how smart all of you think you have become..." - threefates
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 19:30
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woo frenchie saves the day to be fair the lyrical content can delve into politics and social character but all this margret thatcher stuff is a little far, and i'm a guy who would willingly spend hours deciphering lyrics and what not. like deloused in the comatorium by the mars volta. its worth it in the end and you learn so much. anyway. three different ones= three different pigs to the three little pigs that are famous. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 19:30
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end of... ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: November 15 2004 at 06:59
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Whitehouse was a pariah of the UK artistic fraternity and was often seen with large signs sticking out the back of her dress.
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: November 15 2004 at 09:35
A theory which you keep proving over and over again.... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: November 15 2004 at 11:31
I'd never sacrifice precious signature space to anything that wasn't of the utmost importance ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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