Genesis fans, help me!
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Topic: Genesis fans, help me!
Posted By: frenchie
Subject: Genesis fans, help me!
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 15:38
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i am a huoge prog rock fan with 21 floyd albums and i love most prog, especially symphonic, art rock and psych/space rock like yes, king crimson, mike oldfield etc. but i cant get into genesis! and i really want to! i have foxtrot and it jus seems... ok. bit boring, doesnt reli do much for me but it is good in places. i have downloaded, the cinema show... it thought it was kinda good. the musical box, i find a bit boring turn it on again. i liked but its just pop prog so that dont reli count horizons is an excellent piece i just put on trick of the tail and dance on a volcano blew me away. i really want to enjoy the peter gabriel era stuff. but i am starting to think i am never gonna get into it. maybe there is something about it that puts me off. but i liked the phil collins stuff more but its meant to be not as good. im confused. give me some tips so i can enjoy genesis fully! ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 15:39
its like i am in the land of confusion as they once put it  ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Shatterwolf
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 15:50
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Try the Lamb Lies Down On Broadway and Wind and Wuthering, FOXTROT. Some songs to look out for: Eleventh Earl of Mar, Invisible Touch, (not in albums just mentioned) Supper's Ready, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, Ravine, it. I'm not a HUGE Genesis fan, but those are some great songs. Hope you like 'em. ------------- 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 15:54
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There's nothing says you have to like Genesis. I strongly suggest that "The Lamb etc" is not the place to start, you'll find it pretty impenetratable! I think the early stuff is an aquired taste, it's just that most of us here have aquired it! ------------- 
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 15:55
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I started with Lamb and fell in love with it. Foxtrot didn't blow me away at 1st either but I did like some of Supper's Ready in the beginning. Give that a couple listens and then go back and listen to the rest. or get tresspass and listen to The Knife 1st and then go back and listen to the rest |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 16:58
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It took me a couple of years to get into Genesis also, only fell for the band after hearing The Knife and White Mountain on Tresspass, I still consider a lot of their work boring, though almost every song has good moments, doesn't nececerally make the entire song/album good. Most albums are good, with one or two lesser songs, just skip through the songs you don't like at first, listen them after the good songs. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 17:06
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thank for the advice guys. maybe i shud download the knife then ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 17:39
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wow! just got the knife and in the cage. the knife is bloody amazing! in the cage was quite good too. dragged a bit but i was pulled in around 4 mins onwards. the random low voice at the end was random! and i liked it when there is silence around 7:15 and then it fades into a little instrumental part. nicely done! i feel like i've gone a step furthur into liking genesis lol but i sitll got a long way to go! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Canicheslayer
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 17:39
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In "Trespass", I prefer "White mountain" In "Foxtrot", I think "The Watcher in the skies" and "Get them out..." are my favorites songs... "The Lamb lies down on broadway" is not a good start...too smart, too Peter Gabriel |
Posted By: Shatterwolf
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 17:52
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I just dug out some of my dad's old Genesis: Seconds Out. Any of them good?
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 18:07
| It took me a long time to appreciate Foxtrot.No need to give up on it ,just give it time.There is no rush to have to like anything. |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 18:09
Seconds Out is the perfect place to start! -------------
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Shatterwolf wrote:
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 18:14
| 'Seconds Out' is bland IMO.'Three Sides Live' is better as long you ignore the first 2 sides. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 20:44
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My method to accept Gabriel Genesis is simple, start by this tracks:
Not necesarily the best tracks, but this selection I recorded in a cassette worked for a friend of mine who is a hardcore Genesis fan today. When you get used to this songs, investigate deeper into the albums. Iván |
Posted By: Shatterwolf
Date Posted: November 12 2004 at 22:11
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I have that too! Yes, Genesis is just "one of those bands" that you may not like right away, which might turn away many potential fans. Same thing with most of Yes's songs. I had to listen to Roundabout and Siberian Khatru like 4 times before I started liking them! Just don't give up on them, because Genesis is a very rewarding band. -------------
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 00:24
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Taste is individual. Genesis has lots of beauty. Do you typically like harder-edged stuff? Maybe you just haven't "grown into" Genesis yet -- it took me a year or so of exposure. Did you love coffee first time you tried it? Beer? Guinness stout? Then again, not all of us here like all of the old prog bands equally well. No one, 47 or 17, is REQUIRED to like Genesis, or Gentle Giant, or Van Der Graaf Generator. There is no magic formula to MAKE you like a given group or music type, though time often works. I didn't like Victorian novels or Shakespeare when I was your age -- I love them now, but plenty of guys my age (my friends, even) have no interest in them.... Fair enough -- there's other things we agree on. Good luck -- you'll find your prog niche! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Get a time machine, go back to around '72....Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 03:20
NAh...I think we'll have to confiscate his progressive rock membership pin as well as his commenarative I'm a Peter Gabriel fan watch and subjecting him to his purgatory website for 24 hrs....and maybe 50 push ups as well!!
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 05:12
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Would that be "One side live" then Richard, or are you referring to the "Four sides live" version of "Three sides live"? |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 16:25
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As Peter rightly says, it's a matter of individual taste. I like everything they done up to and including Duke in 1980. After that they were too pop for me. frenchie, I'm not surprised you were blown away by 'Dance on a volcano' Its a brilliant song, one of the best they ever wrote IMO. I love 'Foxtrot' I think its one of their best albums, along with 'The Lamb..' but my only criticism of the Gabriel era stuff is the production, and the fact they had not really matured as musicians. But, hey neither is their fault. It was the early 70's and they were still learning their craft. I am a massive Genesis fan, but to me you sound like I am with Yes. I like certain tracks and generally their later stuff appeals more to me than the albums most Yes fans rave about like, 'Close to the edge' 'Fragile' etc.. Glad you liked 'In the cage' and 'The knife' Great songs! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 16:34
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I concur with most opinion on here...When I was young I liked Genesis but I disliked Yes and ELP - thought they were too harsh and erratic, but eventually Yes and ELP became more and more appealing - Now I give everything a good listening to - and I feel that most prog has something to give me in the long-term. The depth of choice is the best thing about prog because it covers music from the "Death-speed" Metal to the classical whisper........ Thats why we like it! ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 17:45
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Yeah, if you're looking for blazing guitar distortion, you aren't going to find it with Genesis, thats for sure. I'm a personal fan of Trick of the Tail, thats my favorite Genesis album followed by Foxtrot and Selling England. I think the first side of Trick is amazing... dance on a volcano, entangled, squonk, and mad man moon are all fantastic pieces... especially entangled, man that song is well done. ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 17:56
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get "The Battle of Epping Forest" and "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight".
Selling England by the Pound and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway are my personal favorites. I never liked genesis at first either, I didnt like peter's voice at the time, but I grew into it eventually and now peter is my favorite singer and genesis I like almost as much as my favorite band Rush! ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: the musical box
Date Posted: November 13 2004 at 23:09
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Ok, im obviously a huge Genesis fan. It all started two years ago when i decided to play my dad's vinyl of "A trick of The Tail" which, obviously, blew me away. It all began with this album and it seems to be the genesis album for the non fan (who eventually becomes devoted to the band). Being interested, i bought "FOxtrot" a few months later and was once again blown away. but this was a different Genesis...a Peter Gabriel genesis. This was a Genesis that was whimsical, smart and self indulgant. This was a Genesis band that ENJOYED the music. But since you already own "FOxtrot", perhaps getting "A Trick Of The Tail" will help you appeaciatte it more. You could also try the mellower, but brilliant "SElling England..." But for me, the "TRICK OF THE TAIL" and "FOXTROT" combination did wonders. ------------- something pretentious |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 18:02
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my friend pete lent me selling england by the pound and i am loving it! yay i am so happy. soon i will have to tackle the rest of trespass, foxtrot and TLLDOB. thanx for all you help everybody! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: November 14 2004 at 23:21
| I remember the first time I heard Genesis. It was Selling England, I hated it. It seemed overdone, longwinded, and pompus. With all music though, I gave it a second listen. I instantly was converted, suddenly music was a different experiance for me. If it werent for Genesis, music wouldnt have a shred of its current importance in my life. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: November 15 2004 at 03:35
Wash your mouth out, professor! ------------- 
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 15 2004 at 06:32
| G out to the music store and buy the entire Mariah catalogue ( just kidding ) I'm not a big Genesis fan but own all their stuff up to Wind and Wuthering. A good sampling of the real early stuff can be found On Genesis Live. Iwould also suggest you try some Gentle Giant. Not an easy band to get into but once acquire the taste you won't be able to get enough of them. My favourite Genesis track is Back In NYC off the Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: November 15 2004 at 09:26
i actually downloaded the gentle giant mp3s on this site and i liked them. "knots" is great! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: the musical box
Date Posted: November 15 2004 at 09:42
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gentle giant is great. I suggest "octopus" , although its only about 30 mins long (i know , a bit on the short side) its very good and has "knots" on it. (wot a fun song!) ------------- something pretentious |