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Topic: your 10 most borderline progrelated bands
Posted By: greenback
Subject: your 10 most borderline progrelated bands
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 22:43

they are here in the database, but you find them VERY borderline!

  1. triumph
  2. radiohead
  3. beatles
  4. deep purple
  5. electric light orchestra
  6. queen
  7. roxy music
  8. steve vai
  9. brian eno
  10. syd barrett


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 22:45

Steve Vai and Roger Waters are my favorite prog-related artists.

Eno should be here just for relevence to the prog scene, if not for perticularly progressive music.



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Posted By: White Feather
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 22:49
Theres going to be some blood spilled over this

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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 22:51

My favorite prog-related artist is Adrian Belew, it doesn't much better than The Twang Bar King.



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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 22:52

Originally posted by White Feather White Feather wrote:

Theres going to be some blood spilled over this

Hopefully everyone's gotten over the arguement of whether or not Radiohead/Queen/others are prog or not. I don't like it much but I really don't like debating things much anymore. It's futile.



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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 23:06
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by White Feather White Feather wrote:

Theres going to be some blood spilled over this

Hopefully everyone's gotten over the arguement of whether or not Radiohead/Queen/others are prog or not. I don't like it much but I really don't like debating things much anymore. It's futile.

there is nothing to argue: you just put your list, that's all!



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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 23:06
Originally posted by White Feather White Feather wrote:

Theres going to be some blood spilled over this


yeah probably so... great topic anyway...

1. ELO (keeping mouth shut)
2. Alan Parsons Project
3. Primus  ( but I love the group)
4. Peter Gabriel
5. Fairpoint Convention
6. Queen
7. Roxy Music
8. Jon Anderson
9. Styx.... hahahhahah
10. Triumph


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 23:06
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by White Feather White Feather wrote:

Theres going to be some blood spilled over this

Hopefully everyone's gotten over the arguement of whether or not Radiohead/Queen/others are prog or not. I don't like it much but I really don't like debating things much anymore. It's futile.

there is nothing to argue: you just put your list, that's all!

It always gets complicated.



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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 28 2006 at 23:08
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by White Feather White Feather wrote:

Theres going to be some blood spilled over this

Hopefully everyone's gotten over the arguement of whether or not Radiohead/Queen/others are prog or not. I don't like it much but I really don't like debating things much anymore. It's futile.

there is nothing to argue: you just put your list, that's all!

It always gets complicated.



especially when people start calling ELO a disco group.....


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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 04:45
  1. Nightwish
  2. Lacrimosa
  3. Queensryche
  4. Styx
  5. Triumph
  6. Alan Parsons Project
  7. Supertramp
  8. Peter Gabriel
  9. Roxy Music
  10. The Beatles
I like the four last bands music, I just don't think of them as prog. And I'm sure there's plenty of prog metal that should be on this list, that I haven't heard. I really hate number one on my list. Regressive, commercial, gothrock with synths and strings. Same thing with number two. I'd much rather have Bauhaus or Swans here.

The first ELO album is one of the best prog debuts I've heard. Their three next outings also qualifies as prog.

Radiohead is the most important Progressive Rock band of the '00's imo.           &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;   


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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 05:20
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by White Feather White Feather wrote:

Theres going to be some blood spilled over this

Hopefully everyone's gotten over the arguement of whether or not Radiohead/Queen/others are prog or not. I don't like it much but I really don't like debating things much anymore. It's futile.

there is nothing to argue: you just put your list, that's all!

It always gets complicated.



especially when people start calling ELO a disco group.....

I would favour ELO as Art Rock myself



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Posted By: pero
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 05:22
  • Laurie Anderson
  • Husker du
  • Billy Cobham

They are not on the list but they should be, considering that Queen, Supertramp,ELO, beatles and similar are here



Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 06:41

Nightwish

Styx

Roxy Music

 



Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 06:54
The Beatles and Deep Purple are in proto-prog, not prog-related.


Posted By: laztraz
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 07:23
      Just one comment.  Queen is definitely not prog at least in their current incarnation.  I saw them in concert and except for a few great songs they were mostly mediocre arena rock.


Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 07:26
  1. Therion
  2. Haggard
  3. Nightwish
  4. Deep Purple
  5. Supertramp
  6. ELO
  7. Beatles

That's all I can think of right now.



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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 07:29
  1. Asia
  2. Saga
  3. FM
  4. Styx
  5. Ambrosia
  6. Alan Parsons Project
  7. David Gilmour
  8. Jon Anderson
  9. Kalevala
  10. Klaatu


Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 07:52
These are all prog-related. Not sure how 'borderline'
they all are, but if you like prog some of them should
appeal:

The Doors
Sparks
10cc
Blue Oyster Cult
Wishbone Ash
Led Zeppelin
Locomotive
Rainbow
Toto
Steeleye Span


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 08:28
  1. Beach Boys / Brian Wilson
  2. Traffic
  3. Roxy Music
  4. Beatles
  5. Stevie Wonder
  6. Bjork
  7. Supertramp
  8. Massive Attack
  9. Buffalo Springfield
  10. Pet Shop Boys

Not all in the database here. Should that be so? But for me they're borderline. Even someone like Stevie Wonder, who comes from a soul background and made some albums in the seventies which are very close to prog, IMHO obviously.



Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 29 2006 at 11:11

Beach Boys should probably be here under proto-prog, because the Beatles are there as well.



Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 00:35
  1. Alan Parsons Project (His first two albums were much more than borderline)
  2. Styx
  3. ELO
  4. Traffic
  5. Moody Blues
  6. Jean Michel Jarre (Still I believe he shouldn't be here)
  7. Steeleye Span
  8. Supertramp
  9. Beatles
  10. Fairport Convention

Iván



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Posted By: ken4musiq
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 01:07
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

[QUOTE=White Feather]Theres going to be some blood spilled over this

Hopefully everyone's gotten over the arguement of whether or not Radiohead/Queen/others are prog or not. I don't like it much but I really don't like debating things much anymore. It's futile.

 

I agree. Does debating in a public forum become mass debating?



Posted By: int_2375
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 01:15

Radiohead, The Beatles, Queen, Supertramp, Death, Styx, Nightwish, Atheist... sorry coudlnt think of ten for the time being.

I don't even consider those bands borderline, they just plain arent prog.  To think that they are here and not some of the more truly prog-related stuff like Led Zeppelin and the Doors.



Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 15:26
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by White Feather White Feather wrote:

Theres going to be some blood spilled over this

Hopefully everyone's gotten over the arguement of whether or not Radiohead/Queen/others are prog or not. I don't like it much but I really don't like debating things much anymore. It's futile.

Indeed..Queen are simply not prog so theres no need for a debate.



Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 15:27

If Radiohead are not prog, then neither are The Mars Volta.

Anyway I prefer the expression "Art rock" for both.

 



Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 19:14

Well, since I'm bored:

1. Triumph
2. Triumph
3. Triumph (you get the idea)
4. Steve Walsh
5. Radiohead
6. Roxy Music
7. Queen
8. Syd Barrett
9. Phish
10. Deep Purple



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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 19:40
My favorite prog-related bands: Supertramp and Primus

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 22:43
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

  1. Alan Parsons Project (His first two albums were much more than borderline)
  2. Styx
  3. ELO
  4. Traffic
  5. Moody Blues
  6. Jean Michel Jarre (Still I believe he shouldn't be here)
  7. Steeleye Span
  8. Supertramp
  9. Beatles
  10. Fairport Convention

Iván



out of curiousity.. where do you think Jarre should be?  Electronica perhaps...


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Posted By: Kazz
Date Posted: March 30 2006 at 22:58

 

  1. Beatles
  2. Deep Purple
  3. Radiohead
  4. Moody Blues
  5. Traffic
  6. Queen
  7. Primus
  8. ELO
  9. Peter Gabriel
  10. Procol Harum


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Posted By: Thyme Traveler
Date Posted: March 31 2006 at 02:07
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Well, since I'm bored:

1. Triumph
2. Triumph
3. Triumph (you get the idea)
4. Steve Walsh
5. Radiohead
6. Roxy Music
7. Queen
8. Syd Barrett
9. Phish
10. Deep Purple

 

Yes, I agree. Someone was on drugs when they added Triumph. Because they are Canadian and sound vaguely like Rush in their less Proggy moments ? I was born on Canada Day (July 1st)- can I be listed under "prog related" ?



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Posted By: Zepology101
Date Posted: March 31 2006 at 11:56
Originally posted by White Feather White Feather wrote:

Theres going to be some blood spilled over this
I know how you feel.

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Posted By: stechell
Date Posted: March 31 2006 at 12:30

1.- Led Zeppelin

2.- The Who

3.- The Gathering

4.- Lacuna Coil

5.- Anathema

6.- Katatonia

7.- My Dying bride

8.- Deep Purple

9.- ELO

10.- The Moody Blues



Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 31 2006 at 21:27
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

  1. Alan Parsons Project (His first two albums were much more than borderline)
  2. Styx
  3. ELO
  4. Traffic
  5. Moody Blues
  6. Jean Michel Jarre (Still I believe he shouldn't be here)
  7. Steeleye Span
  8. Supertramp
  9. Beatles
  10. Fairport Convention

Iván



out of curiousity.. where do you think Jarre should be?  Electronica perhaps...

Out of Prog Archives

I love his shows, but the music IMO is mostly weak and boring, if it wasn't for the apectacular shows (Houston - Lyon is fabulous) nobody would care for him in the Prog World.

Maybe Prog Related at the most.

Iván



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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2006 at 09:26
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

  1. Alan Parsons Project (His first two albums were much more than borderline)
  2. Styx
  3. ELO
  4. Traffic
  5. Moody Blues
  6. Jean Michel Jarre (Still I believe he shouldn't be here)
  7. Steeleye Span
  8. Supertramp
  9. Beatles
  10. Fairport Convention

Iván



out of curiousity.. where do you think Jarre should be?  Electronica perhaps...

Out of Prog Archives

I love his shows, but the music IMO is mostly weak and boring, if it wasn't for the apectacular shows (Houston - Lyon is fabulous) nobody would care for him in the Prog World.

Maybe Prog Related at the most.

Iván



hahahha.. about to walk out the door (coach daughter's soccer team) for a game so I'll keep it short...

you are out of your mind!


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Posted By: freehand
Date Posted: April 01 2006 at 09:43

You should check out

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Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: April 01 2006 at 10:30
Here's Mine:

  • Peter Gabriel
  • David Gilmour
  • Radiohead
  • Saga
  • Styx
  • Coheed and Cambria
  • Electric Light Orchestra
  • Pat Metheney/Pat Metheney Group
  • Sufjan Stevens
  • Elbow
I know many will argue that some of them aren't even close borderline prog, and soem are prog, but it is too me.


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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 02 2006 at 23:50

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


hahahha.. about to walk out the door (coach daughter's soccer team) for a game so I'll keep it short...

you are out of your mind!

Why Micky? Aren't we allowed to have an individual and unique taste?

There was a Jarre long thread long time ago (  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1913&KW=Jarre - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1913&a mp;KW=Jarre ), you should check it, there was a lot of people who disagree with my opinion, but another good number that agrees.

That's the central point of a forum, I would hate to be part of a Forum where somebody says X band is awesome and 30 replies saying "Yes it's true".

That's a fan club and I would never join another one again (The Genesis Forum was a problem, you weren't allowed to find a flawed song, everything had to be perfect, that's why I don't visit it for almost 2 years).

Iván



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Posted By: ldlanberg
Date Posted: April 03 2006 at 01:37

10. The Rolling Stones

9. The Archies

8. Olivia Newton-John

7. Canned Heat

6. Oingo Boingo

5. Judas Priest

4. The Everly Brothers

3. Bob Dylan

2. Blondie

1. Metallica



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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 03 2006 at 18:11
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


hahahha.. about to walk out the door (coach daughter's soccer team) for a game so I'll keep it short...

you are out of your mind!

Why Micky? Aren't we allowed to have an individual and unique taste?

oh come on now Ivan... you should know by now one of the reasons I respect you so much is your unique and iindividual taste in music. 

There was a Jarre long thread long time ago (  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1913&KW=Jarre - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1913&a mp;a mp;KW=Jarre ), you should check it, there was a lot of people who disagree with my opinion, but another good number that agrees.

I'll check that thread out.. thanks for the heads up

That's the central point of a forum, I would hate to be part of a Forum where somebody says X band is awesome and 30 replies saying "Yes it's true".

hahahah.. how true.. why do you think I get such perverse pleasure out of playing devil's advocate against  Genesis in some threads. 

That's a fan club and I would never join another one again (The Genesis Forum was a problem, you weren't allowed to find a flawed song, everything had to be perfect, that's why I don't visit it for almost 2 years).

Well I'll do my part to make sure that PA's doesn't descend to that level either hahahhah. 

I'll look over that thread this evening and see what you had to say on Jarre.

Iván

your partner in prog...

Micky




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Posted By: TOD KREMER
Date Posted: April 03 2006 at 23:32

1. Locust (70's) - Plague

2. Queen - II

3. Stories - About Us

4. Glass Moon - S/T

Lucifer's Friend - Banquet 



Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: April 04 2006 at 00:45
Erm, tough one!  This list will comprise of bands that are also not in the archives:

1. Keef Hartley Band
2. Moody Blues
3. Traffic
4. Allman Brothers Band
5. Gov't Mule
6. Derek Trucks Band
7. Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac (early Mac, stuff like October Jam, the Madge Sessions &c.)
8. Polar Bear (mainly jazz, but also a little jazz/fushion)
9. Circulus
10. The Urban Spacemen


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Posted By: int_2375
Date Posted: April 04 2006 at 02:52
Originally posted by eddietrooper eddietrooper wrote:

If Radiohead are not prog, then neither are The Mars Volta.

Why?  Whats your rationale for this?  I don't like either band, but how does Radiohead not being prog make TMV not?  Last time I checked, Radiohead didn't record 30 minute songs, use technical instrument playing, etc.

My point is, there is a vast difference between Radiohead and TMV... one has proggy qualities, and the other has artsy qualities, but nothing that resembles any generally accepted prog band I've heard.



Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 04 2006 at 03:25

If X band is here, Why not Y band.....Absurd

If A band is not Prog, then B band neither....As absurd as the first one.

Lets value each band for it's own merits, I may agree or not with Queen or Radiohead inclusion (Most probably not), but I would never say ok guys if Radiohead is here then Led Zeppelin also

Both bands are different, no copnnection and even if one addition is a mistake, why in hell should we make another?

I believe Led Zeppelin is at least Prog Related, but if I want their inclusion I rather read ten reasons why they should be here  and not a list of 10 less Prog bands added by mistake as an excuse.

Iván



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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 10:36

Originally posted by Drachen Theaker Drachen Theaker wrote:

These are all prog-related. Not sure how 'borderline'
they all are, but if you like prog some of them should
appeal:

The Doors (great, very influential band)
Sparks (I don't know enough of them to judge)
10cc (another great, underrated band)
Blue Oyster Cult (among my all-time favourites)
Wishbone Ash (excellent)
Led Zeppelin
Locomotive (don't know them)
Rainbow (up to "Long Live Rock'n'Roll", among the very best)
Toto (too poppy for my taste, but great musicians nonetheless)
Steeleye Span (fantastic folk-rock band, with great female vocals)

I would also add Supertramp and Pentangle, while I'm not a big fan of Queen. As to Deep Purple... they absolutely rule!!!



Posted By: man@arms
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 11:29

Good topic.  Here's my 10...

Led Zeppelin, Traffic, Spirit, The Who, David Bowie, Mott the Hoople, Jimi Hendrix, Santana, Procol Harum & Manfred Mann's Earth Band.



Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 11 2006 at 11:37
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

they are here in the database, but you find them VERY borderline!

  1. triumph
  2. radiohead
  3. beatles
  4. deep purple
  5. electric light orchestra
  6. queen
  7. roxy music
  8. steve vai
  9. brian eno
  10. syd barrett

Of course there are two "borderlines" here ... between "not-prog-at-all" and "prog-related", and between "prog-related" and "prog".



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