Is Neil Peart Still The King?
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Topic: Is Neil Peart Still The King?
Posted By: sigod
Subject: Is Neil Peart Still The King?
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 11:50
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I think he still is but what about Portnoy, Bruford, Collins (heh!), Dalton, etc???
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 11:55
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Like everything we argue about on this forum... "Who's the best" is purely subjective. Peart's awesome. So is Bruford, Donati, Phillips, Portnoy and on and on and on.... Peart is sigod's favorite drummer.... No? |
Posted By: benny bouncer
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 15:50
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naa....Carl Palmer
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 15:56
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He's still got it. There's no doubt. I think he wears the crown. There are plenty of excellent drummers out there, some I'm sure are as good as NP, but its what they do with that talent IMO. Bruford for example is clearly an excellent drummer, but to me many of his fills sound scrappy, notably on albums like 'Discipline' His drummimg on the track 'Red' seems very messy to me, but then on 'Heart of the sunrise' and 'One more red nightmare' its excellent. NP's drumming is always tidy and click perfect as well as being powerfull. He also happens to be a driving force lyrically and an integral part of the Rush machine. Bruford IMO was interchangabe with the likes of Alan White (awaits abuse Mike Portnoy, again is tight, technical and powerfull, but chooses to drum, these days like any prog thrash drummer IMO. On 'Train of thought'he could have been replaced with Lars Ulrich. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Carlos
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 16:10
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FANTASTIC... ONE OF MY FAVORITE DRUMMERS ALONG WITH PORTNOY, MOON, BONHAM, ULRICH, PALMER AND MITCHELL... NOT MANY PROG AROUND HERE, BUT WHAT A DRUMMERS FOR ME! ------------- Democracy=A form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people... 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 16:51
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Neil Peart and Bill Bruford are the 2 most copied prog drummers.They are the template. IMO Peart is the finest Rock musician regardless of instrument.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 16:54
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^Template? Is that like a cold plate? I like ham! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 16:59
OY Wipeout!- cant you be serious for one second? The more thoughtful of us are getting tired of your little digs,wind-ups and frivolity! You are the reason that this site is going downhill fast. Shame on you-you old cumudgeon! PS Keep it up, old boy! -------------
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 17:00
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Sorry I'm with Benny... Palmer will always be King !...
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 19:55
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What makes a bunch of non-musicians think they really know who is the best. That would be like asking me who is the best brain surgeon. I hate these topics. Most of you know squat about the quality of musicianship....me included! Now if I were to ask my room-mate(who is a musician) if Peart is any good, he will give me an opinion on it that I can respect. Peart was obviously a good drummer but the only reason we know this is we have been told by the experts. These topics are rubbish! sorry Sigod...you're a charming enough chap..no offence meant towards you for starting the thread. I am sure I am out on an island but I hate topics like Which guitarist makes the best grr grr sound? Which bass player makes the boom bitty boom sound? Which keyboard makes the best ping ping sound? Which drum makes the best boom, clang , bang sound? alright...I finally got that out of my system..I'm done ranting |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 20:05
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and done assuming I hope. I actually played drums from the time I was 6 until I left home at 17... I had 2 years of percussion lessons, I played snare in the junior and high school bands and I was the first female in the state of NC to get accepted 2 years to the percussive session of the all-state band. I was also selected from the State bands to attend a Buddy Rich and Stan Kenton drum clinics. However, after watching Carl Palmer play... and the way he practiced... I called home and told the folks to sell my drum set. I couldn't be that good on my most brilliant day. However, when I went back to college after my son was born.. .I minored in music and played tympani in the college orchestra. I might not have played in the last 10 years or so... by I'm sure I can still do a few paradiddles.. and I'm sure I can still detect who's the king percussionist... Its Carl !!!
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 20:08
I did say most of you. Those who don't fit in the catagory I mentioned shouldn't feel offended
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 21:42
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HE'S STILL ONE KING, UNDOUBTEDLY!! But there's more than one drummer king! According to what I see and hear from 'Live at the Budokan', DT's Portnoy is much less thrashier when playing the ToT tracks on stage... fortunately. Oh... and what amazing pictures of Palmer!! He's a hell of a king, too! generally speaking, I prefer ELP to Rush, but individually speaking, Both Palmer and Peart are on the same level of energy, virtuosity, musical vision, and experience. Each one protraying his own styling. the same goes for other magician drummers such as Bruford, Bozzio, Barlow, Vander, van der Linden, Weathers,... By the way, Happy The Man's new drummer is quite terrific, too. |
Posted By: dropForge
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 23:08
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No one drummer will ever be King. BUT...we WILL have a regal Council of Seven: Bill Bruford Dennis Chambers Billy Cobham Carl Palmer Neil Peart Lenny White __________ (this can change weekly |
Posted By: dropForge
Date Posted: November 04 2004 at 23:10
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I shudder when I ponder how many of my musical heroes could've felt the same way at some point in their lives and decided to hang it up. Did you seriously do that? Or did you need the money for sweetleaf? Haha! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 00:44
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He never was the king, Bruford was the King IMO but there were too many pretenders to the crown: Palmer, Bozzio, Manu Katche, Collins, Peart and even Tony Fernandez (Wakeman crew). In that level is hard to decide who is the best. Iván |
Posted By: arqwave
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 01:07
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Peart has been a great drummer, and has set the path for so many others,
however, naming king to a solitary being is quite pretentious, so i might think that he is one of the few kings around wth the other great drummers mentioned here earlier. We must remember that the "student must be superior than the master", so in many cases we have "young" guys like portnoy, donati, reinart and so many others... in this case Peart and Bruford has been the only drummers to achieve "master status" around the world, but we have forgotten great guys like Bozzio, Palmer and Barlow, not to mention all the fusion drummers featured in here like Cobham, Moreira, etc. peace ------------- between darkness and light |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 02:55
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ivan_2068 wrote: 'Palmer, Bozzio, Manu Katche, Collins, Peart and even Tony Fernandez (Wakeman crew). = Pretenders!!!??? Wow I guess it really is subjective. What do you think they are pretendiing to be, ivan?? In what SPECIFIC technical way is Bruford better than Palmer, Peart, Collins & Co??
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 02:59
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Excellent pics of Palmer indeed Although I was never an ELP fan, Palmer is one hell of a percussionist. Always a joy to watch as well as listern to. His soloing is phenomenal, and more entertaining visually than Peart, who is actually my favourite drummer. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 04:08
Nah, I quite understand gdub, I should have explained this a little better. Over the past few years Peart has had to deal with a series of personal family tragedy's (both is wife and daughter died with in months of each other if I remember correctly). Peart withdrew from the scene for a number of years and as a result of no visibility, I think that many people thought he might be done as a musician. I noticed that a lot of the music press journalist began to look for a 'successor ' and I suspect they thought they had found one in the form of Mike Portnoy. In addition, when someone has to deal with a personal crisis in their life, it can leave them a little 'less' as a creative force, they lose focus or see their 'art' as a trivial thing compared to their family/friends/Rolls Royce collection. I accept this is not always the case but with Peart who has always been an introspective individual, the threat of total retreat was a real possibility. As a fan, I worried and felt for the guy and I was curious to know from other fans, if they felt the same way I did. I agree that the 'who's best' debate can be a futile exercise but in this case, I really feel the question is valid. ..and yes threefates/everyone...Carl Palmer is a REALLY cool drummer too.
------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: dude
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 08:43
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IS NEAL PEART STILL THE KING....................? WHAT!!!........ YOU MEAN ,NEAL PEART IS REALLY ELVIS PRESLEY!!!! CMON SPIT IT OUT ,WHERE DID YOU HEAR THIS!!! aaah I CAN SEE THE HEADLINES NOW...."PRESLEY PLOT,PLYS TRADE AS PROG PERCUSSIONIST" RUSH RALLIES ROUND ROCK REBEL!!!
AAAAAAANND SO ON AND SO FORTH
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 10:03
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 10:12
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Yes, I understand the Peart tragedies... but he himself wasn't physically impaired. And yet Carl Palmer, who went thru carpal tunnel surgery on both his arms.. and told he probably wouldn't play as well again... came back and kicked everyone's butt... He's really an alien I think. He has the quickest sticks in the world... and he still at 54, never tires. Of course the fact that he's naturally hyper active and a coffee addiction on top of that... makes one hell of an interesting percussionist. Also, he can play any percussive instrument, watching him play the glockenspiel, tymps or even the xylophone, is always a spiritual moment for me. And if any of you in Britain get a chance to attend one of his drum clinics.. you really should go. It was the most thrilling thing I've seen, including his band concerts or Keiths for that matter... And E-Boy... as far as telling my folks to sell my drums... yes I did do that. But there was other reasons involved as well, none concerning money. And I have a million pictures of Carl and those drums....this is last year in Lochgelly, Scotland...
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 11:04
Wow, I didn't know about Carl's problems but I'm glad he's back on the live circuit again. As for the photo's, they're great...always happy to see piccy's of Mr P As for VelvetClown....That is a fantastic scene ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 11:05
Yes one of my fav MP ones fer sure 
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: benny bouncer
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 13:31
I am a musician, not exactly rock, i play the flute, i have been able to read and play music since a very early age, but still...its not the "Knowing" thats important it is the OPINION, which we are all entitled to |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 14:26
Yeah...I could have an opinion on English cuisine but it doesn't mean squat since I know sh#t when it comes to English culinary delights. |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 16:20
I think GDUB plays the FLUTE too.
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 16:38
some sort of mouth organ,at least. -------------
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 18:41
You two are so clever. Can I use those lines. I'm sure my friends will be in awe of my "superior" intellect!
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 19:06
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I now realise that GDUB is how you say "enough" when you have your mouth full! -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 19:36
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I like Neil Peart a lot.His bass drum work is far superior to anyone in prog rock bar maybe Bill Bruford.He's also well up there on the snare although Carl Palmer is maybe the king in this respect. Why do we always show so much reverence to old drummers? I saw Zoltan Csorz (Flower Kings ,The Tangent) at Chippenham progfest recently and he would blow most of the 'oldies' off the stage now.But if you're talking Carl Palmer circa 1973 now that's a different story... |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 20:33
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Don't mind me today...I am PMSing |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 20:38
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Penile Menstrual Syndrome? Pissy Missy Sissy Proctological Mining Solution Problem Mouthing Something Pornographic Muffin Suspect Piddling Middle-aged Schlong Problematic Manhood Supply |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 20:59
Mugst bi thum midshtake! Ah cnt ballo dat!
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 21:00
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I even suggested to a girl "friend" of mine the breathing excorsizes one needs to do so one doesn't choke on it when one deep throats it. Its all about knowing when to take breaths and when not.
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 21:01
I know you think that Richard cause you saw Carl's band in May... but you haven't seen him do anything till you see one of his clinics. I saw Rush a few months ago.. and Carl could of whipped NP with one hand behind his back. He continues to have a competitive streak that puts everyone else on the floor... Ask Danny Carey from Tool... he wouldn't even go out and play with him on stage.. he stood behind Carl watching with his mouth to the ground... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 21:02
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we really are not worthy! -------------
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 21:06
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[QUOTE=threefates] I know you think that Richard cause you saw Carl's band in May... but you haven't seen him do anything till you see one of his clinics. I saw Rush a few months ago.. and Carl could of whipped NP with one hand behind his back. QUOTE] Get back to your ironing Luv and leave the technical stuff to the boys!
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 21:08
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Yeah...I'm way better than granny Threefates., but then again she can take out her false teeth and gum it so no worry of teeth scraping!
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 21:09
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 21:12
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Or barrell-scraping young Gregory? -------------
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 21:16
Go to bed you silly goose. I can't answer your "or" question because i have never heard Rush's Twilight Zone. |
Posted By: dropForge
Date Posted: November 05 2004 at 21:32
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Uh-huh. |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 02:59
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Nah...I think Neil Peart is more like the Drag Queen. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 03:02
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Yes and so are REED
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 08:37
| How many who's the best threads do we have to have? |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 10:12
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I tried to argue that earlier and was tarred and feathered for it! |
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 10:14
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 10:16
Hey Danbo. Did you noticed I answered your questions? |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 13:40
Uhh... who's the girlie here... love the boobies, Reed!!
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 14:05
Yeah, I nearly puked. The Porno Muffin thang had no connotations other than PMS. Of course, There is always: Porno Manhole Stuffer Pipe Manipulating Slop-gobbler Polish Musician Society Professor Munkfish Speller Pineapple Muntiny Surrender Poor Mudhole Splitter Paper Moon Soliloquy Pandemic Maturity Sanctions Pendantic Moron Sophisticates Penguin Menstrual Strain Any more answers.... GDOUBLER? |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 15:16
You seem to have made sure you've got a copy of the pic for yourself!
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 17:53
Hey, New POLL. Who boobs are bigger, 3F8's or Greed Lover's.
Cast Yer Vote NOW: Ol' Reedie's got a huge set of Man-tits. (just kiddin'. I'm sure you are flat chested.) |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 18:16
I vote NOT ME! Anyway we all know America's got the biggest tits! -------------
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 20:44
Of course, I knew it would come in handy eventually... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: November 10 2004 at 09:06
Please My Schlong Polishing Multiple Swords Please, Mister: S*** me Prod May Squirt Prolong My Stamina Prove My Sissyhood Primordial Man Soup (for Gdub the anti-evolutionist) and finally: Probe My Sanctum Sorry -- 'twas too good a concept to pass by, Gdubble-vision!
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
