Print Page | Close Window

Graaf or Graff?

Printed From: Progarchives.com
Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation
Forum Description: Discuss specific prog bands and their members or a specific sub-genre
URL: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20194
Printed Date: November 22 2024 at 12:00
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com


Topic: Graaf or Graff?
Posted By: Agemo
Subject: Graaf or Graff?
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 14:17
Just out of curiosity: why is Van Der Graaf Generator often spelled as Van Der Graff Generator?

-------------
Dona Nobis Pacem



Replies:
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 14:28

Originally posted by Agemo Agemo wrote:

Just out of curiosity: why is Van Der Graaf Generator often spelled as Van Der Graff Generator?

Ignorance



-------------
"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."


Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 15:00
Originally posted by bluetailfly bluetailfly wrote:

Originally posted by Agemo Agemo wrote:

Just out of curiosity: why is Van Der Graaf Generator often spelled as Van Der Graff Generator?

Ignorance

Yep!



-------------
RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!


Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 15:06
It's probably because the device is spelled Van de Graaff generator (I think).


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 15:23

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

It's probably because the device is spelled Van de Graaff generator (I think).

I think so too! True, the device is Van de Graaff Generator, called after Robert J. Van de Graaff.



Posted By: MustShaveBeard
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 15:38
Originally posted by bluetailfly bluetailfly wrote:

Originally posted by Agemo Agemo wrote:

Just out of curiosity: why is Van Der Graaf Generator often spelled as Van Der Graff Generator?

Ignorance

Well that's going a tad bit far; it's an understandable mistake. "Graaf" sounds more like "Graff", end of discussion.



-------------
Your life or your lupins!!!


Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 16:58
it is interesting how an intellectual and ex Manchester University student, Chris Judge Smith, could have misspelled the original name for the device.  That is, of course, unless it was deliberate.


-------------


Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 17:05
Originally posted by MustShaveBeard MustShaveBeard wrote:

Originally posted by bluetailfly bluetailfly wrote:

Originally posted by Agemo Agemo wrote:

Just out of curiosity: why is Van Der Graaf Generator often spelled as Van Der Graff Generator?

Ignorance

Well that's going a tad bit far; it's an understandable mistake. "Graaf" sounds more like "Graff", end of discussion.

My response wasn't intended as a put down.



-------------
"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."


Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 19:31
Originally posted by MustShaveBeard MustShaveBeard wrote:

Originally posted by bluetailfly bluetailfly wrote:

Originally posted by Agemo Agemo wrote:

Just out of curiosity: why is Van Der Graaf Generator often spelled as Van Der Graff Generator?

Ignorance

Well that's going a tad bit far; it's an understandable mistake. "Graaf" sounds more like "Graff", end of discussion.


Who are you to put an end to this discussion?
that´s it, end of discussion!


-------------
"You want me to play what, Robert?"


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 20:26
Originally posted by bluetailfly bluetailfly wrote:

Originally posted by MustShaveBeard MustShaveBeard wrote:

Originally posted by bluetailfly bluetailfly wrote:

Originally posted by Agemo Agemo wrote:

Just out of curiosity: why is Van Der Graaf Generator often spelled as Van Der Graff Generator?

Ignorance

Well that's going a tad bit far; it's an understandable mistake. "Graaf" sounds more like "Graff", end of discussion.

My response wasn't intended as a put down.



it's not like the 'aa' is particularly commen in engish is it?  thus a understandable mistake..... forgive the stupid question/thought ... I last slept through an english class 20 odd  years ago....


-------------
The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip


Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 13 2006 at 21:19

Originally posted by Agemo Agemo wrote:

Just out of curiosity: why is Van Der Graaf Generator often spelled as Van Der Graff Generator?

when i first see the title of this topic, i thought in stefi graff (sp?)



-------------

Follow me on twitter @memowakeman


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 03:44
Originally posted by memowakeman memowakeman wrote:

Originally posted by Agemo Agemo wrote:

Just out of curiosity: why is Van Der Graaf Generator often spelled as Van Der Graff Generator?

when i first see the title of this topic, i thought in stefi graff (sp?)

Would you believe that the inventor of thye paticule accelerator 's name (from which the group took its name from) is Robert Van Der Graaff?

They intentionally mispelled his name and the track on TLWDIWTEO  Whatever Robert Would've Said is about that scientist



-------------
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 04:41
Actually Hugues, it is Robert van de Graaff.

No R on De of course.

Chris Judge Smith actually came up with the name, so I presume he deliberately misspelled it, or wrote it down wrong initially.  Most concert programs and magazine articles from the late '60s spelt the bands name in many different ways, it's understandable, it's a Dutch name after all.


-------------


Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 06:28
the Van Der Graaf Generator is a mechanism in science used for some sort of measuring...there is no other correct version then Graaf.

-------------


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 06:41
Originally posted by MustShaveBeard MustShaveBeard wrote:

Originally posted by bluetailfly bluetailfly wrote:

Originally posted by Agemo Agemo wrote:

Just out of curiosity: why is Van Der Graaf Generator often spelled as Van Der Graff Generator?

Ignorance

Well that's going a tad bit far; it's an understandable mistake. "Graaf" sounds more like "Graff", end of discussion.

How is this going to far? Wether the mistake is understandable or not, it is still ignorance.



-------------
http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 07:38

I can tell you that it often might be a simple typo mistake. I had several times caught myself pressing two times "f" instead of two times "a". And how many times it could go unnoticed?....

 



-------------
carefulwiththataxe


Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 08:07
It's an easy mistake to make, a friend of mine had the same problem when searching for them.  But they soon learn!

The scientific device is named after it's inventor Robert J. van de Graaff, the band is named after the device, except their name is spelt different, note the extra R on de and the lack of an F on Graaff.

I'm not sure if Chris Judge Smith made this mistake, but who cares! In some way I'm glad their name is spelt different, it makes searching easier.  I have also found the scientific device spelt the same way as the band, which amuses me... it all goes full circle!

I forget what the other name Chris Judge Smith came up with, I shall look it up!  Unless someone gets there before me of course.

Currently listening to Darkness 11/11 from the penultimate gig Van der Graaf Generator ever did (in France), hmmm, very nice!

They obviously reformed, but as just Van der Graaf of course.


-------------


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 08:21

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Actually Hugues, it is Robert van de Graaff.

No R on De of course.

Chris Judge Smith actually came up with the name, so I presume he deliberately misspelled it, or wrote it down wrong initially.  Most concert programs and magazine articles from the late '60s spelt the bands name in many different ways, it's understandable, it's a Dutch name after all.

Oooooooooppppppsssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!.............. small v and small d too!!!!!!!!

Too quick a post

So much more shameful that I worked a few days with one of his vertical accelerators



-------------
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword


Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 14 2006 at 08:36
Actually, it is Robert J. van de Graaff, but who cares about his middle name?  Hehe.

I'm being pedantic.

It's an easy mistake to make.  Calling them VdGG is so much easier!  In theory, they should be "van der Graaf Generator", or being more pedantic still, "van de Graaff Generator", but what's in a name?

There is a band called "moe.", written just like that, all lower case and with a full-stop at the end.

A few notes on their albums:

I always write their first two (official) albums as:

The least we can do is wave to each other
H to He Who Am The Only One

No comma after He, but I guess this is debateable.  "The least..." I always write in lower case, as per the album cover.

Nobody is in the wrong either way though, this is just my preference.  I do have a gripe with "The Hitch Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy" though, there seems to be many forms, sometimes a lack of an inverted comma, sometimes Hitch Hiker's as one word... I'm just fussy!

Now, a question: is it Gong, or GonG?  I've seen both written down, which is correct?

I'll get off my soap box now!


-------------



Print Page | Close Window

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Copyright ©2001-2014 Web Wiz Ltd. - http://www.webwiz.co.uk