This is just daft.

I hope you are not homophobic.

Panaoramic seems like a nice bloke to me!

Enough of this silliness!

Hey...Does this belong on Main Discussions? Maybe they should make a whole new format called Gay Discussions

I of course picked anything I listen to. Gay is a good thing...right?

I don't know why this obsession about gay forms of art, does anyone wants to say something about him or her.

Well.......I will vote for anything Gdub411 likes

Iván

Once PGA's John Daly was participating to a long drive contest with amateur big hitters: in the crowd, a man shouted to him if he turned gay because Daly was outdriven by most of the competitors. Daly answered: "Why, are you gay?"

Queen

The fairy feller's masterstroke. (Queen II)

(what a query fellow)

What are you saying...there is some sort of homosexual innuendo found in Queen's material? Why, that's completely preposterous. Freddie just happened to be one of those macho men that could get away with a bushy mustache and tight colorful tank-top. And he contracted HIV the same way as Magic Johnson (or any manly man)...by nailing lots of skanky whores.

And David Bowie and Mick Jagger were just reading the bible together in bed with the lights off. From what I hear, it happened all the time in those days.

I'm not sure if it's just me that thinks this, but it looks for all the world like there are some xenophobic people mistaking the term "gay" for some kind of insult...

Surely art is not intrinsically of one sexual persuasion or another???

is there any gayer form of music than disco?

I agree, but a picture speaks more than 1,000 words:

Macho Men

Iván

 Ha! Good piccy, Ivan ol, buddy!

That really brings back memories that were better left repressed , eh? Ha!  

What total CRAP music!

  I (a confirmed prog fan, of course) once had to suffer through that song being played over and over again by a girl that I was briefly seeing.

 Hey, I said BRIEFLY!  Yikes!

is there any gayer form of music than disco?

I didn't think there was, until I heard hardcore rap (the truly offensive kind). I didn't think there might be anything worse than that, and then I heard death/black metal. I can't believe people listen to that garbage.

I still don't understand why "worse" and "gayer" and "crap" seem to be interchangeable. That seems very wrong and discriminatory to me.

emdiar wrote: German metal act Accept. The biggest bunch of shirtliftin' battyboiyz ever to tread on a fuzzzzzbox!

Agreed...they were pretty cheesy! How about that synchronized guitar playing did.....god they were awful!!

Certif1ed wrote: I'm not sure if it's just me that thinks this, but it looks for all the world like there are some xenophobic people mistaking the term "gay" for some kind of insult... Surely art is not intrinsically of one sexual persuasion or another???

Cert, I regret to inform you that, like it or not (I certainly DON'T!) North American youth (generally via California and the "entertainment" industry -- thus likely headed your way) have now made the term gay synomynous with "stupid" or "lame."

Thus, when I taught teens a couple of years ago, they would condemn a book, which was devoid of homosexual themes or characters, but which they didn't like (they hated being made to read, or even think!), as "gay."  (Must have made any gay youth in the room feel very comfortable and welcome, no?) I didn't tolerate the use of the word as an insult in my class, BTW, but it has now become one of their favourite and most hurtful insults for one another, and teens who are discovering their non-hetero orientation are often driven to depression and suicide by a youth culture that is nortoriously homophobic. There seems to be somewhat less racial predjudice than in my day, but the acceptance of gays really seems to have diminished with the advent of AIDS (and the erroneous perception of it as a homosexual disease), and the burgeoning power of the Christian (Republican) right in the U.S.

Sad, but true....

Perhaps I thus shouldn't have taken part in this potentially hurtful poll, but the Village People were shameless flamers, weren't they? I HATED disco -- still do -- brainless twaddle!

 Of course I like Bowie and Lou Reed and even some early Elton John just fine -- it's what I perceive as lame and contrived that I really dislike. I can't listen to Abba without making fun of them -- other seemingly sane people love them.

Peter Rideout wrote: Certif1ed wrote: I'm not sure if it's just me that thinks this, but it looks for all the world like there are some xenophobic people mistaking the term "gay" for some kind of insult... Surely art is not intrinsically of one sexual persuasion or another??? Cert, I regret to inform you that, like it or not (I certainly DON'T!) North American youth (generally via California and the "entertainment" industry) have now made the term gay synomynous with "stupid" or "lame." Thus, when I taught teens a couple of years ago, they would condemn a book, which was devoid of homosexual themes or characters, but which they didn't like (they hated being made to read, or even think!), as "gay."  (Must have made any gay youth in the room feel very comfortable and welcome, no?) I didn't tolerate the use of the word as an insult in my class, BTW, but it has now become one of their favourite and most hurtful insults for one another, and teens who are discovering their non-hetero orientation are often driven to depression and suicide by a youth culture that is nortoriously homophobic. There seems to be somewhat less racial predjudice than in my day, but the acceptance of gays really seems to have diminished with the advent of AIDS (and the erroneous perception of it as a homosexual disease), and the burgeoning power of the Christian (Republican) right in the U.S. Sad, but true.... Perhaps I thus shouldn't have taken part in this potentially hurtful poll (ironically started by a gay), but the Village People were shameless flamers, weren't they? I HATED disco -- still do -- brainless twaddle!

I agree completely with you guys. My daughter throws that word around with anything she doesn't like. It is always a bit painful to hear her comments.

In Reed Lovers case...I don't think he meant any harm., which by the way...he started this thread and not me...and Reed Lover isn't gay just to clear things up.

Panoramic=Gdub

Panoramic's Gay=Reed Lover

for those who didn't know

punk 2 (pngk) n. 1. Dry decayed wood, used as tinder. 2. Any of various substances that smolder when ignited, used to light fireworks. 3. Chinese incense. adj. Slang 1. Of poor quality; worthless. 2. Weak in spirits or health. [Probably of eastern Algonquian origin.]

...also refers to a prostitute, in earlier English times, and to a branch of British popular music in the 1970s. Also incorrectly applied to a branch of music in the United States from the 1990s onward that wants to be punk but simply lacks the attitude.

gdub411 wrote:     In Reed Lovers case...I don't think he meant any harm., which by the way...he started this thread and not me...and Reed Lover isn't gay just to clear things up. Panoramic=Gdub Panoramic's Gay=Reed Lover for those who didn't know

  Aha! I wasn't paying too much attention -- I suppose I might have figured it out eventually. Ha!

PS: See the edit to my original post on the matter, above: ^

^

Sorry Peter!

The reason you didnt work it out is that you are not (as?) puerile as Greg and I.

Reed Lover wrote: ^ Sorry Peter! The reason you didnt work it out is that you are not (as?) puerile as Greg and I.

Puerile!Me??

I know you are, but what am I?

Poopypants!!

Why is your avatar worshipping me Greg?

How's this?....do ya see it now?

Reed Lover wrote: What this one????

STILL CAN"T SEE IT!!!

Hey, as I've said before no-one does closet gay quite like Man-O-War....

WOULD ALL YOU f**kERS STOP GETTING SO EASILY INSULTED?!?!?!?!.....f**k....... IT OBVIOUSLY WASNT HIS INTENT TO OFFEND ANY OF YOU, AND IF IT IS, HE SUCCEEDED SO SHUT THE HELL UP!

emdiar wrote: German metal act Accept. The biggest bunch of shirtliftin' battyboiyz ever to tread on a fuzzzzzbox!

Indeed, and what with tunes like 'London Leather Boys' from 'Balls to the Wall' it makes you wonder

sigod wrote: Hey, as I've said before no-one does closet gay quite like Man-O-War....

Phwoar!!

Thats enough to turn a heavy weight boxer into a Communards fan overnight..

the musical box.

Take your own advice.

did I miss someone getting offended?

Damn, that would have made the thread interesting.

Maybe we could have a discussion about the difference between the various meanings of the word "gay"...and the weird twist that makes oversensitive straight people more offended by it than the people they're patronizingly trying to protect.

No takers?

Oh well. It was a gay idea anyway.

James Lee wrote: Maybe we could have a discussion about the difference between the various meanings of the word "gay"...and the weird twist that makes oversensitive straight people more offended by it than the people they're patronizingly trying to protect.

 Why so cynical, James? Why must it be "oversensitive" and "patronizing" if, for example, I don't want teenage students casually tossing "gay" around as an insult (or synonym for "lame") in my classroom? Can I, as a heterosexual, feel no concern for the self-esteem and well-being of a gay teen? I'm not black, either, so if I tried to help a black person, or protect them from a danger (such as an oncoming car, unnoticed by them), would my concern necessarily be patronizing? Being white, I should (or "secretly," you might say) feel nothing if a non-white hangs himself in front of me? Are those gays that are my friends not REALLY my friends? Do they just make me feel more smugly superior in my white middle class liberalism? Do you believe that every human action is self-serving?

Frankly, your attitude on this one is rather patronizing -- please don't presume to be able to see inside the hearts of all those who don't think the same way that you do.

Should I not speak my position if I feel that I might otherwise, in some small (but real) way seem to condone homophobia, or make gays less than welcome here?

I know: "I was just joking -- too bad you fell for it."

Well, as a gay singer once wrote: "That joke isn't funny anymore."

Peter Rideout wrote:  Why so cynical, young James? I was mainly just responding to the mostly un-provoked and over-sized outburst by "the musical box"...in truth, I'm just about as cynical as I am young  Why must it be "oversensitive" and "patronizing" if, for example, I don't want teenage students casually tossing "gay" around as an insult (or synonym for "lame") in my classroom? I completely understand; we want to get away from stigmatizing people with use of derogatory terms...but think about how few people really get upset about similar uses of "dumb" or "lame"- even folks who are unable to talk or walk properly. Language is a constantly growing tree with many questionable roots (sorry, lame metaphor...). I think that type of usage is probably too casual for a classroom anyway, but then again I was educated by nuns and monks  Can I, as a heterosexual, feel no concern for the self-esteem and well-being of a gay or lesbian youth? I'm not black, either, so if I tried to help a black person, or protect them from a danger (such as an oncoming car, unnoticed by them), would my concern necessarily be patronizing? Being white, I should (or "secretly," you might say) feel nothing if a non-white hangs himself in front of me? By no means...despite my reputation as an elitist, I live by those famous Donne words. All people, regardless of distinctions and generalizations, are worthy of everyone's concern. In addition to that, the underdog is one of my all-time favorite animals. But I myself have tried too hard to read between the lines (many times- and it will probably happen again soon!). I just don't think that calling something "gay" has anything but the most tenuous links to the sort of malice that resulted in the Matthew Sheppard outrage, among countless others.  Are those gays that are my friends not REALLY my friends? Do they just make me feel more smugly superior in my white middle class liberalism? Maybe- you wouldn't be the first- but as you say, I cannot ever truly know your real thoughts. I'd prefer to think of you as simply compassionate. Do you believe that every human action is self-serving? An emphatic yes, but only in the sense that anything we do ultimately derives from a personal preference, and therefore represents our 'self-ishness'.  Frankly, your attitude on this one is rather patronizing -- don't presume to be able to see inside the hearts of all those who don't think the same way that you do. Point taken; I don't even 'know' my own mind half the time...all I can go by is what I see and hear, and I've learned a healthy scepticism of even that much. Although one man's healthy scepticism can be another man's cynicism Should I not speak my position if I feel that I might otherwise, in some small (but real) way seem to condone homophobia, or make gays less than welcome here? You should speak your position even if you think the world is flat...and your position on this topic is much more arguable and important than that one would be. I wish we did have a few more gay participants- so far it's been just us old heteros tossing around theories. Oh, and gdub...but he seems to be able to express himself quite clearly and openly. Even with a bully like me on his back I know: "I was just joking -- too bad you fell for it." Well, as a gay singer once wrote: "That joke isn't funny anymore."  Wasn't that lyric about suicide? Actually, Morrissey himself has never made a definite statement about his sexuality (apart from his choice of celibacy). Most people assume that he's gay, and it's probably a reasonable assumption, but I'm sure you'd agree he probably would not wish to be referred to as a "gay singer". His own words (not to prove any specific point, just because it's appropriate): "I don't recognise such terms as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, and I think it's important that there's someone in pop music who's like that. These words do great damage, they confuse people and they make people feel unhappy, so I want to do away with them."

Now this is a real discussion- thank you, Peter 

Why use the word "gay"?

Why not use the word "black", or "muslim".

"Oh, I say, old chap, prog-rock is soooo muslim."

"But don't you just hate rap? - it's autistic"

"I think DISCO is as Christian as it gets - yeuuuw!"

Why not bring back words that have dropped out of circulation?

"I hate Boy bands - they're such niggers"

"That George Bush - he's a spastic"

Surely no-one would be offended by any of this???

Certif1ed illustrates the point just fine.

Poking harmless fun at the 'camp' is one thing but using the term gay to describe something thats crap, is unfair. We've had our laugh lets move on.

Thanks, Blacksword. Cert, your examples illustrate my point clearly and succinctly -- well done! I don't like to see the term for any identifiable group become a generic insult. (I have seen the slang term for people from my province of Canada used as a generic word for "stupid person" or "yokel," so I know of this issue at firsthand!) Identifying and stigmatizing a group or minority  can help enable their persecution: Don't forget the pink triangles that homosexuals were made to wear in the Nazi death camps, Gdub -- careful who you "get into bed with." I really think, for example, that your so firmly allying yourself with the strident fundamentalist and anti-gay Christian Republican right wing is either incredibly callous, or hopelessly naive of you! "I like their fiscal policies," you will say -- well, German big business liked Hitler's fiscal policies too, and the trains ran on time. (I use Hitler's Germany to make a point. I don't mean to thereby make light of the Holocaust, or equate Republicans with Nazis -- though some of the more intolerant stripe would seem to have been comfortable in that environment!) How long can you look the other way (at your bankbook, I suppose) when your fellow gays are demonized by prominent members of the party you so publicly support?

On issues like this, I try to follow my conscience. Believe it or not, I also approach them (here) with trepidation, because: 1 - You folks don't KNOW me, nor I, you. 2 - There is no tone of voice, facial expression, or body language in type. These are essential components of human discourse -- Emoticons can only convey so much. 3 - I'm still not sure that such debates, on a music forum, accomplish anything, or even belong here. 4 - I'm here to share a love of good music (and yes, of words too!), make some "friends," and have some laughs. I've had about all the "what is prog/why is this band proggier/better than that band?"-type debate that I can stomach. Such arguments are circular, never-ending, and always come down to individual taste. I like Yes better than ELP -- you don't: what of it?

Finally, James, you clarified your position very well. We are not nearly as polarized in our positions as I had feared. I also want to thank you for not turning our "debate" into a mud-slinging match. I was a trifle nervous after making such a strong post as I did above, but again, I was following my conscience.

For me (and I'm especially thinking of Gdub, now) there's a big difference between strongly disagreeing with another on any given (serious) issue, and actively disliking that person. I don't truly dislike anyone here, because, again, I don't know any of you.

  Now, I'd like to just be a silly, wordy proghole again for a while, OK folks? Stop making me feel compelled to discuss such serious, inflamatory, and non-Genesis-related topics!

Good talk, Rusty

Isn't "spastic" a perfectly good word to use? I've only heard it used as insulting slang once or twice ("spaz" is a little more familiar to me, and I haven't yet heard any complaints on behalf of the seizure-prone). But "nigger" has a long way to go before it's used as regularly or as innocuously as "gay", although within the black community it has become conditionally acceptable...although when the Mayor of D.C. was persuaded to fire his second in command for using the word "niggardly"- that was the precise moment I knew we'd become too irrationally afraid of words (look it up...it has nothing to do with race whatsoever).

In my opinion the answer is more usage of 'scary' words- to render their negative connotations powerless- and better understanding of language to begin with. I don't usually use "gay" or "lame"...but mainly just because it sounds juvenile, like a slightly more advanced version of "poopoo" and "peepee". A thread titled "____ is gay" instantly reveals the thread starter as somewhat less than serious or articulate, whereas if it was called "_____ is stupid" it just wouldn't have the same ring to it.

But I guess even that would be unfair to people who are sensitive about being called stupid. Which is most of us, really, but only until we grew up.

Back to prog issues now- I know when to quit, and sometimes I actually do 

I cannot equate the use of "gay" with the use of "stupid", as its current use is simply to describe a body of people - as per the point of my little list. Stupid is not really a recognised condition, as far as I am aware.

I must admit to a certain annoyance that a word which was previously packed with innocence was hijacked, but I do have gay friends and think it incredible that anyone would interchange "crap" with people.

What word do we replace "gay" with, if "gay" means crap? Homosexual is practically an insult, as is Queer, Shirt-lifter, Back-door burglar, Chutney-Ferret and every other term I've heard used by other practicing heterosexuals. James is right - use of these words is juvenile.

Spastic became an absolute no-no of a word in the U.K. in the late 1980s - even to describe a spastic person. Nowadays, of course, it has little impact, exactly because of the dropping of that use. This situation came about because of the words' overuse in the late 1970s, following a Blue Peter interview with a disabled fellow named Joey Deacon.

The word suddenly fell into alarmingly common use to describe anyone that was being stupid or had made a mistake, e.g. "You utter spastic", "What a Joey Deacon", simply "Deacon" or even "Spasmo".

Follow http://www.spleen.dsl.pipex.com/joey.html - this link for enlightenment. If you find it offensive in any way, then my work is done.

Now I will shut up about this subject (promise!)

Peter Rideout wrote: Could you please be more specific, Gdub, and do you speak for all gay people, much like James can (supposedly) see into the minds of others?

I will explain it in the simplest way possible for you Peter..what other way would you expect from me?

I am going to use an episode of ALL in The Family as an example. Please stay with me now...Meathead met the Jefferson's son(a black guy) and kept trying to warm up to the guy by acting as though he was hip to the black cause(quite strong in those days) and the black guy(sorry..I do not recall his name) got fed up with Meathead and asked him to treat him like you would treat anyone else.

I do not want people walking on eggshells when the gay issue gets brought up because it may hurt my feelings. I also think I do speak for most gay people when I tell you to knock off the politically correct BS. I KNOW alot more gay people than you do so don't even pretend to think you know more about this either Peter. Just treat me and anyone else who is gay like you would do with your straight friends as well.

I have lots of straight friends and the gay issue comes up maybe 2-3/year....it is usually not a factor or even on our minds. I regret even coming out because you guys can't seem to handle it anyway. Emdiar was right...it wasn't appropriate for this forum. I made a mistake. Sorry!! So the best thing you can do is just drop the whole damn subject and let it not resurface again if it makes you feel so uncomfortable. Your discomfort is what we gays hate!!!!

P.S...I have never knocked one person on here for voting for Kerry so quit attacking my political beliefs. I am NOT niave and I stay very much in touch with the issues..democrat/republican/gay..etc. I listen to more news radio than I do prog. I resent you calling me ignorant just  because I can't  eloquently express myself as well as you!!!

Suddenly there is a movement towards Reed against Intrinsic Republican Bigotry!

Reedism, hum I like that.

Mr Rideout has merely echoed what I was trying to get through to you last month. He just says it so much less aggressively than I do! How can an intelligent gay man vote Republican? Or black man? Or Christian, or Muslim Or HUMAN BEING???????

A UPS driver? Voting Republican? Must be a six figure paycheck

Why are gays so gay?

Reed Lover wrote: Suddenly there is a movement towards Reed against Intrinsic Republican Bigotry! Reedism, hum I like that. Mr Rideout has merely echoed what I was trying to get through to you last month. He just says it so much less aggressively than I do! How can an intelligent gay man vote Republican? Or black man? Or Christian, or Muslim Or HUMAN BEING??????? A UPS driver? Voting Republican? Must be a six figure paycheck Why are gays so gay?

I refuse to get into another political rumble with you so back off buddy!

Dont forget the clock is ticking......give him a second term and you'll be running from the dogs

Dont forget i told you so!

PROJECTED RESULT

George W Bush: 39 John Kerry: 3

5 of 51 states called, inc DC

It's early doors but I am getting worried!

Fear my wrath!

Reed Lover wrote: PROJECTED RESULT George W Bush: 39 John Kerry: 3 5 of 51 states called, inc DC   It's early doors but I am getting worried! Fear my wrath!

It's way too early to concern yourself. Our news channels are not even willing to give out any electoral results thus far. Voting isn't even over yet. Although the late votes are usually republicans because we have jobs to go to(ya lazy I don't want to earn anything...just give me free stuff dems) Right now it is too close to call for every friggin state it seems. Man..one botcched up election and now we have a bunch of timid news networks.

Returning to the "gay"issue. I always understood that if someone said for eg "Shakespeare is so gay" they meant it was a bit lame!

Just thought I'd clear that misunderstanding up for you all!

I dont understand the fuss!

Okay Peter. Perhaps I misunderstood your meaning. I have on other threads mentioned how it bothers me greatly when my daughter uses the term gay as meaning lame or worse. She doesn't know and I do not feel overly compelled to tell her as of yet either. I just assumed you have read that before. But James is right as well. Don't treat as special...just treat us as people

P.S...please ignore my rant on the Genesis Thread as I was still very angry about this debate going on.

Also..yes i am ever the enigma-gay,republican and belong to the most powerful union in the USA- The Teamsters....but I am not alone....look up the Log Cabin Republicans and you'll realize there are more than you think.

Sorry if I offended you and please note..I actually like The Fountain of Salmacis...I just like to be abrasive...not sure why...I'm just naughty that way

^ Sincere thanks for "hearing me out," gdub -- I'm glad that we understand each other. I'm certainly not here to make any enemies!

Re your (or anyone else's) politics, that's a personal issue best left alone here (at least by me) I think. Hopefully, you and I, and all the other music fans here, have more in common, than that which could divide us....

Re your tendency to be abrasive, me too, sometimes. I lay the blame for our antisocial behaviour squarely at the feet of those naughty boys Reed and Velvet (and James!), who, when bored with the endless pointless polls, love to stir the sh*t -- and thereby keep we meeker souls entertained!

Looks like your candidate may win. Help!

straight from "Perils of Pauline"

clutching his worn copy of "The Prince", James looks around the forum to see what other malevolent meddling can be done...

Wow..these testosterone threads run rampant thru this website....

threefates wrote: Wow..these testosterone threads run rampant thru this website....

Good phrase: testosterone threads. Very visually evocative. A couple of tissues should take care of those testosterone threads that are bugging you, unless they've dried already.

None of the above:

But if included, for me it would be BROADWAY SHOW TUNES hands down

I.C.T wrote: this is sick youre all sick talking about gay music theres no such thing please no more this is immature. now then focus on smething different like gothgs i hate them.

 Eager to make friends around here, hey? Good start -- insult us some more, please!

Peter Rideout wrote: I.C.T wrote: this is sick youre all sick talking about gay music theres no such thing please no more this is immature. now then focus on smething different like gothgs i hate them.  Eager to make friends around here, hey? Good start -- insult us some more, please!

I didn't even get it...so I wasn't insulted...sometimes it's good to be stupid

I.C.T wrote: this is sick youre all sick talking about gay music theres no such thing please no more this is immature. now then focus on smething different like gothgs i hate them.

Hey what about the Village People their music was gay!  "at the YMCA"

I hate smething anything! but those gothgs

I wanna know why we're sick.

I mean, I know why I'm sick, but I want to know why talking about gay music is sick...sick like how? Like sick sense of humor? Like morally reprehensible for talking about homosexuality? Let's have some details, so we know who we're dealing with. 

gdub411 wrote: I still don't get it

Greg you dont get it cos your plug ugly!

I.C.T wrote: this is sick youre all sick talking about gay music theres no such thing please no more this is immature. now then focus on smething different like gothgs i hate them.

I may be having a bit of a blonde moment here but would someone please explain this too me?!?

From what I read, Greg... it says.

There is no such thing as gay music.. stop talking about it...  its immature... focus on something different like goths... (he evidently doesn't like goth people - you know.. the Elvira looking types)

Gdub wrote: "Then why do Peter and James seem offended?"

I.C.T wrote: this is sick youre all sick

 !

Oh! ? ...my,my.,aren't we being a bit sensitive Peter? No wonder why I didn't get it. I think he was trying to create levity. I just didn't get his last sentence but now I realize he just butchered the word goth(g)

Peter-you seem to be a genuine, good-hearted man, however, sometimes I think you worry about our feelings too much, but I guess that's better than being an untrustworthy codge out to hurt everyone's feelings., so keep on protecting us from the cruelty of others.

^ My feelings too, Gdubster.

That was an unprovoked insult from the new guy. Not a good way to introduce yourself to a "room," or to join a conversation, think I. I get pissed off at rudeness as much as the next person -- maybe more.

I'm not out to "protect" everyone -- I just don't believe in being silent in the face of willful ignorance. Why should I let a new poster drive me (or my buds) away, or stay silent when he tries to stop an exchange that I'm part of? I have principles, and I'm a grown man -- I push back, when pushed first, like most people here. (You too.)

I may be more "sensitive" (as you put it) than thou, but -- as Popeye would say, and you should relate to this: I am who I am.

Let me be a sensitive and pedantic prog fan, sometimes joking, sometimes serious, often wrong -- that's who I am.

Okey-dokey? You be you (a likeable enough chap, BTW, if Republican), and I'll be me. 

James Lee wrote: In the words of Paul Westerberg: "You be me for a while, and I'll be you."

Now that is gay!

Reed Lover wrote: James Lee wrote: In the words of Paul Westerberg: "You be me for a while, and I'll be you." Now that is gay!

The quote is gay? Or are you just not a big Replacements fan?

James Lee wrote: In the words of Paul Westerberg: "You be me for a while, and I'll be you."

Well, the sentiment is the opposite of mine above, but I'm a huge Westerberg and Replacements fan, James -- good stuff!

(Of course, I had thought of that song when I wrote my post.)

James Lee wrote: Reed Lover wrote: James Lee wrote: In the words of Paul Westerberg: "You be me for a while, and I'll be you." Now that is gay! The quote is gay? Or are you just not a big Replacements fan?

Gay or Hip?  Depends how lame you are!

Jesus dies and goes up to Heaven. The first thing he does is look for his father, as he has never met the man before and is curious as to what he looks like, and whether or not Jesus looks like his mother or father, etc. He looks high and low but cannot find him.

He asks St. Peter "Where is my father?" But St. Peter says he doesn't know.

He asks the archangel Gabriel "Where is my father?" But Gabriel doesn't know.

He asks John the Baptist "Where is my father?" But John does not know. So he wanders Heaven, impatiently searching.

Suddenly he sees out of the mist an old man coming toward him. The man is very old, with white hair, stooped over a little. "Stop!" Jesus yells. "Who are you?"

"Oh, please help me, I am an old man in search of my son." Jesus is very curious. Could this be his father? "Tell me of your son, old man."

"Oh, you would know him if you saw him. Holes in his hand where the nails used to be, he was nailed to a cross, you know..."

"Father!!!!!" Screams Jesus.

"Pinocchio!!!!!!!" yells the old man.

Peter Rideout wrote: James Lee wrote: In the words of Paul Westerberg: "You be me for a while, and I'll be you." Well, the sentiment is the opposite of mine above, but I'm a huge Westerberg and Replacements fan, James -- good stuff! (Of course, I had thought of that song when I wrote my post.)

I like that the song is about boredom, not empathy

that reminds me...anybody know a Joe Walsh song about stuff to do when you're bored? I remember he suggested the watusi, watching I Love Lucy, speaking Japanese and making collect calls. Yet I can't find the song no matter how I Google the clues. Anyone?

Reed Lover wrote: Returning to the "gay"issue. I always understood that if someone said for eg "Shakespeare is so gay" they meant it was a bit lame! Just thought I'd clear that misunderstanding up for you all! I dont understand the fuss!

So in your eyes I'm a bit lame.

perhaps Danbo was right about you!!