Cradle of Filth
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Topic: Cradle of Filth
Posted By: Fede
Subject: Cradle of Filth
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 10:13
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Most people think they are symphonic black metal band but if you hear them with attention you'll see it has tempo changes and it's a little diverse. Ok, the vocals are black metal style but so what? SO WHAT? |
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 10:34
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"A little diverse" may not be enough to qualify as prog. The prog metal team voted on Cradle of Filth a couple of months ago - you can see the results here: http://www.ratingfreak.com/home/progarchives/progmetalchart.xhtml - http://www.ratingfreak.com/home/progarchives/progmetalchart. xhtml
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 11:59
| Pure black metal, nothing prog in their music!!! |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:04
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[QUOTE=ANDREW]Pure black metalQUOTE] Many black metal fans would skin you alive for this. They'd sooner say Neal Morse is black metal than Cradle of Filth Very good band, though, quite theatrical and the songs are really well-structured. Does that make them prog metal? I'm not going in there.
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:12
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I can maybe see some elements- longer songs, interesting music passages, but I have to say no also. ------------- |
ANDREW wrote:Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:19
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I find them hilarious.
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Posted By: Fede
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:49
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Really? I don't think so. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:54
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The problem is that most black metal bands use symphonic elements to "embellish" that sound. Cradle of Filth do that quite efficiently, but I miss any serious artistic ambition in their compositions. I really enjoy listening to them once in a while though. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 14:37
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[QUOTE=MikeEnRegalia] The problem is that most black metal bands use
symphonic elements to "embellish" that sound. Cradle of Filth do that quite efficiently, but I miss any serious artistic ambition in their compositions. I really enjoy listening to them once in a while though.[/ QUOTE] I think that's a good summation. Their music is often highly progressive in its execution, but in its conception is decidedly lowbrow - aimed very much at teenagers. With a different vocal style, more restrained lyrics and very different cover artwork, they would probably qualify as prog metal. |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 15:19
I saw them live in Milan a few years ago at the "Gods Of Metal", and trust me they are a black metal band with very very small prog elements!!! |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 17:09
My mate played me one of their songs, I found the singing very annoying
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 17:19
I have heard some albums from them and I was surprised by the exciting keyboard work and the shifting moods so they have progressive elements. But the emphasis is on heavy guitar riffs, furious drumming and screamy vocals, that's why I can't stand listening to them for longer than a few minutes. But perverted progheads should check out this band because of the visuals ..  ...!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 02 2006 at 17:58
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But this raises an interesting question: Should such a band which is "technically" progressive but has - in the eyes of us prog critics - not the necessary artistic ambition be accepted in the archives and then recieve bad reviews ... or should it just not be accepted? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 15:44
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Okay, this is exactly why I suggested a couple of weeks ago that we create a 'sticky' topic in one of the main forums and mention what bands are currently rejected per (sub)genre...
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Posted By: Pneubauer
Date Posted: March 05 2006 at 16:05
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eek! Cradle of Filth... filthy indeed... Ive seen a couple cradle of filth DVDs... a few of my friends are really, really into CoF... but I dont like em. No. They are damn boring, especially after you are forced to listen to nothing but CoF and other... black metal - y stuff... Dimmu Borgir... Old Mans Child, ahg! Damn them all. After watching Cradle of Filth perform on the DVDs, and listening to their ridiculous music, when you watch the documentary parts of the DVD it really makes you laugh, they just mess around like a bunch of morons. Blowing things up, putting explosions in a metal pot and jamming a soccer ball in the lid... throwing firecrackers at eachother... getting drunk and hanging out with really, really, brutally ugly women... Cradle of Filth... I think I liked one song I heard by em... only the intro though, the rest was pretty boring. Soo.. In conclusion: they is lames. As for progginess... I dunno... I dont really see it... too much stupid STUPID screaming. AUHG, its bad enough I have to listen to it in the damn songs but my friend always imitates his favourite Danny Filth screaming at school. the whole theme is stupid, and if you like cradle of filth style, gory stupidity, then watch 'cradle of fear'... i dont even know what its supposed to be... its like a cradle of filth movie... just gore and nudity and booze and RIDICULOUS effects (in one scene a car veers into traffic, and its basically footage of a street with traffic, and an image of the car moving around on the screen away from the camera... I laughed for like ten minutes) ... ah... where was I ... You get the point... |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: March 05 2006 at 18:02
Black Metal doesn't necessary have to be a bad thing... ever listened to the likes of Opeth, Borknagar, Vintersorg, Arcturus etc..? these are all black/death metal bands that make very intelligent music! Check them out, they are all included on ProgArchives  ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: March 05 2006 at 18:59
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not prog, and the singing annoys me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Fede
Date Posted: March 05 2006 at 22:49
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[QUOTE=king16]Black Metal doesn't necessary have to be a bad thing... ever listened to the likes of Opeth, Borknagar, Vintersorg, Arcturus etc..? these are all black/death metal bands that make very intelligent music! Check them out, they are all included on ProgArchives You are right, but what you think about Cradle of Filth? Is it prog or not? |
Posted By: Fede
Date Posted: March 05 2006 at 23:00
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I simply don't understand why you say their music is ridiculous and boring. And about the screaming.............well, what can you expect about a black metal band?. I don't get it.
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 00:23
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meh. no. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Pneubauer
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 20:40
Why cradle of filth's music is too ridiculous and boring? Its just too over the top for me. They take their whole ... strange theme and just ... I dont know, it becomes sort of some twisted gimmick in my eyes at least. I dont see how anyone can take them seriously at all. Maybe its because ive seen their 'shlockumentary' (sp?) (what the HELL is that? SHLOCKumentary?). Supposedly they all drink some absinthe and go piss about in the woods for a while. The point is that they have this absurd, dark, gory theme that they use in all of their music but I find it, like I said before, too over the top, they took it way to far, and then when you see how completely unseriously they act in real life... well... I dont want to keep repeating myself but I guess I have too. They seem like one big, lame gimmick. That and I just dont like em because I think their music is a bit repetitive. I cant really accurately judge because its been a little while since Ive had to hear any, but from what I remember, yes, it gets boring fast and the grownling and such just get on my nerves... especially since I have to hear my friend drone on about how talented of a vocalist Danny (Dani?) Filth is... I guess they just dont suit my taste in music.  oh and I forgot about the music part... thingy, well like I said I dont remember it too well, but from what I recall there was a lot of annoying bass drumming... forget what its called... double kick, w/e... also the synthy organ bits I remember to be too... I dont know ... |
Posted By: Fede
Date Posted: March 07 2006 at 09:28
Repetitive??????? mmmmmmmmmmm........................ |
Posted By: Pneubauer
Date Posted: March 07 2006 at 17:04
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Am I not making much sense?
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: March 07 2006 at 17:14
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I'm not very familiar with their music, nor do I want to be, but if I
remember correctly, their possible addition has been suggested many
times and they have been rejected.
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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 18:31
Definitely NO imho.. Plus they are rejected by the Prog Metal Expert Team, so they won't be added to the site ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 12:22
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Is Cradle of Filth prog?? no, surely not in spite of maybe they add some things (0.05 % of their music) with piano !! But it's a good band |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 16 2006 at 12:43
What he said. -------------  |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: April 17 2006 at 18:44
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don't forget to reject the Murderdolls I'm playing along........ ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH
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Posted By: Rapataz
Date Posted: April 18 2006 at 11:33
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NO (No Reasons, just No)* *the Same for Dimmu Borgir etc ------------- www.myspace.com/rasayanaband |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 09:03
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YES.
(No reasons, just Yes)* *Although I agree about Dimmu Borgir. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 09:24
I'm sympathetic to their inclusion (won't give reasons here either  ), but I respect the collective decision of the prog metal team.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 08:02
 ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 08:14
| Why do so many people think Cradle of Filth are black metal? |
Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: April 27 2006 at 22:56
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It's a Symphonic Black Metal Band. |