Two languages reviews.
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Topic: Two languages reviews.
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Subject: Two languages reviews.
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:02
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Now that ratings without reviews have been erased, can I make a two languages review? First in english and them in my own language? ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:04
them = then  ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: anael
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:13
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yo te apoyo DeNIRO ------------- 
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:17
Gracias Anael  ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: Prog-man
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:58
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R_deNIRO & ANAEL: I agree completely with you! I think it's a cool idea. I'm from ARGENTINA, and I would like to make reviews in spanish. Como se dice acá: es una idea copada! Saludos a Mexico (qué buena banda es Cast!!) y España (también Galadriel!)
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 16:17
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Maybe only the latins and south american prog fans will agreed with this idea... when i discovered this site i made at least 5 reviews in spanish, obviously for us is more easy, but i dont think the moderators and the collaborators will enjoy idea and ofcourse this thread... hey Prog-man escucha a Cabezas de Cera, son mexicanos tambien y excelentes ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Em1ty
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 16:44
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In reviews, it is a great idea IMO... but in forums you should still talk in english so everyone understand each others... My native language is french so I can understand your request .
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 16:46
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I don't see any problem in making two languages reviews. The english speakers will understand us, and the not-english speakers (in this case spanish) too. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 16:47
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Yes, the forum must be in english, there's no doubt about it. ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 16:55
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I have always thought about only one forum in spanish, but we have to understand that the official language is the english... i´d like to do reviews in spanish too.. and im still thinking about one forum in spanish ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Em1ty
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:02
Of course, it will be nice for the spanish people to have a spanish forum... but if you start that, there will be french forum, italian forum, deutch forum...etc.... That would be the beginning of a non-sense that can grow very big. ANARCHY  .... but I know it is so tempting
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:06
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yes you may be right... by the way Emile, your avatar is a bit same to mine ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Em1ty wrote:
Posted By: Em1ty
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:17
Is your avatar the real you ? |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:23
nope ... is Rick Wakeman but your avatar is you right?? ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: robertplantowns
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:23
Haha yes, didn't you know you were talking to THE Rick Wakeman? Haha ------------- 
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Posted By: Em1ty
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:32
It is the real me! To be sincere, I don't even know who is that Rick  ... but I demend nothing more to know about him  |
Posted By: Mharo
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:36
I think it would be useful for people who feel they really can't express themselves properly in English, but it should be made clear that if possible everyone should review in English. If everyone reviewed in its first language, it would probably be a mess and you wouldn't be able to read most of the reviews. A Spanish forum would be asking too much, I think, but perhaps we can start a Spanish Thread! (I think I remember a Polish one). Supongo que estaría bueno, no conozco mucho Prog en español, apenas La Máquina, Crucis y Los Jaivas (los tres me encantan). ------------- Suritis: The Remembering. Hopefully we should appreciate that given points in time are not so significant as the nature of what is impressed on the mind, and how it is retained and used. |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:37
Oh, you have to start listening to Yes, dont you know that band? Rick Wakeman has been a very important part of them, he´s called The Keyboard Wizard, and if you want to know more about him, go to his discography in this site or try http://www.rwcc.com - www.rwcc.com ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:40
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Then you should really look in the thread by Erik called Spanish Prog in which you'll find an abundance of Prog-Andaluz recommendations. I would also suggest PM Erik Neuteboom for recomm's since he is an expert on the subject. ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: Em1ty
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:40
Oh yeah, I know YES :) ....but I know the music. I have difficulties to remember members name ! |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:48
Yes... and Erik is a spanish prog rock specialist ! ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 17:57
I apologize there are several other Spanish prog experts but I forgot their nick names http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17840&KW=spanish+prog - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17840& amp;KW=spanish+prog and also see these others threads I found in a search:
------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
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Posted By: ____VdGG____
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 18:23
Em1ty, if you speak french and are Canadian, are you from Quebec, or somewhere else? (I'm canadian as well, from Winnipeg  )------------- Iron throated monsters are forcing the screams; Mind and machinery box-press our dreams |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 18:37
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Como hispano hablante, sería mucho mas fácil hacer reseñas en mi idioma natal, pero Prog Archives tiene miembros y lectores de todas las nacionalidades y lenguajes, si comenzamos con el español, seguiremos con el portugués (Ya he leido algunas reseñas en ese idioma) o francés (También he visto algunas). Donde terminaría esto? Pronto tendríamos reseñas en idioma y con alfabeto Thai o Japoneses y esto sería caótico Existen otros foros en Español donde podemos hablar en nuestro idioma, mantengamos el orden. Hago la traducción para que aquellos que no entienden nuestro idioma no piensen que estamos tratando de ignorarlos o confundirlos. As Spanish speaker, would be much easier to make reviews in my native language, but Prog Archives has members and visitors from all nationalities and languages, if we start with Spanish, we would follow with Portuguese (Already read some reviews in this language) or in French (Also saw some of those). Where would this end. Soon we would have reviews in Thai or Japanese language and alphabet and this would be chaotic. There are other forums in Spanish where we can speak in our language, lets keep the order. I translate this post so those who don't understand our language don't believe we're trying to ignore or confuse them. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 18:58
Muchas gracias, senores, para las palabras sympaticas! Espero muy aficionados rock progressivo quieren decubrir el Rock Andaluz y el rock progressivo de la Americana Latina como Triana, Cai, Crusis, Angulart, Amagrama, Jaime Rosas Cuartetto, Nexus, Bacamarte ....  ..!!
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 20:01
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Question 1: How could non-Spanish readers be sure that the section in English is equal to the section in Spanish? Question 2: (as Iván pointed) Why shouldn't speakers of other languages have the same right? Question 3: PA rules ask for the use of English in the forums and reviews. To use a dual-language system I think that the rules should be changed first. Don't you agree with me? Listen, friends, I'm Brazilian, my native language is Portuguese and I can easily read Spanish. I probably write and speak Spanish better than English, but I think that this idea isn't factible (at least, by now). Así, dejemos como está. However, the use of certain internationally known expressions (in Latin, Greek, French, Spanish, etc) in order to give emphasis to some point in a review can be justified IMO.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 05:30
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What Atkingani says is spot on. The site is an English only site, as decreed by the owners. The dual language proposal, while on the face of it reasonable, would be open to abuse. |
Posted By: progaeopteryx
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 11:49
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I don't know Spanish, but I do have an English-Spanish dictionary, and there are online dictionaries, so the idea is not a problem for me. I may not understand the nuances of a language I'm not familiar with, but at the very least, I will spend the time to get the meaning of the review if it appears to be important to me. I've done this for Italian and German reviews I've seen on other sites. I am open to reviews written in all languages and I support this idea. I think one problem is, are there enough review moderators that can understand all the possible languages that could be used to review titles on this site? What if someone writes an abusive review in a language that none of the moderators knows? In a way, I can see this opening up a can of worms which could create potentially more work for a group of people that are volunteering to maintain this site. Another issue could be that some people don't have the proper language supports installed on their machine to read non-Roman alphabets. In which case, Cyrillic, Greek, Arabic, Hebrew, Chinese, Japanese and a host of other alphabets would look like gibberish. If these problems can be addressed, then I don't see a problem with reviews written in multiple languages. I kind of look at it as, if English speakers don't bother looking at or complain about non-English reviews, then it's their loss, because spending a little time figuring out how to translate another language is not only interesting, but it's a wonderful educational experience. It's also a way of bringing people from different cultures together. |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: March 04 2006 at 15:51
But how can the reviews be moderated if the moderators aren't able to read that second language? ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: March 07 2006 at 00:58
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Well, this can work if exist some program that can translate the wole forum, but thats very dificult to exist, the only choise is the english. ------------- 
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