From awaken to Cassandra
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Topic: From awaken to Cassandra
Posted By: AfanSpur
Subject: From awaken to Cassandra
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 05:52
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In 1977 Yes produced one of their greatest works in Awaken. It was the prog masterpiece of its time. Since that time there have been many great works but none of the awesome scope and mastery shown by Yes on that track. Live it is a tour de force a majestic track held in awe by yes fans. i cannot think of a track since then that has the reverence of Awaken until in 2005 The Mars Volta produced Cassandra Geminni off Frances the Mute. Live Cassandra takes up a frequency that resonates with every nerve and fibre so that each and every molecule in your body feels like its about to suer nova! I kid you not. Perhaps only time will tell by asia comes any where near ( OK i am kidding there, i have to make fun of Asia at least once per post) Please Discuss, hang on wait till i put my Tin Helmet on...........OK Begin ------------- There stands Olias to outward to build a ship Holding within all we hope to retain The frame will be so built to challenge the universe Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain |
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 06:55
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I havnt heard Awaken but I didnt find Cassandra Gemini all that special. They spent to much time working on the electronic noises instead of instrumentation on that album as a hole. Of course I havnt heard either song live, so I cant speculate on that. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 06:57
Oh no, another Yes thread
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 07:04
| Well I for one agree that both Awaken and Cassandra are in their own different ways, great tracks. If you want an example of another great song produced in the intervening years - and I think you must mean a long song - how about Porcupine Tree's "The Sky Moves Sideways"? I'm sure there will be plenty more suggestions...... |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 07:12
| Well, I like 'Awaken' but I did not like 'Cassandra Gemini' at all, WAY too much noisy filler, much like the rest of the album really, shame really, the bits between are really interesting |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 07:39
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Cassandra Geminni does not have ONE SECOND of noisy filler ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 07:42
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Again i see the typical GENERALIZING from the old prog fans that fob off Dream theater as music without emotions and The mars volta as just containing noisy filler...if you have not got any more original critizism just shut up then! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 11:41
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I like Yes. Awaken is good but far from competing with CTTE, Relayer and even TFTO (I speak about the whole albums, not only numbers). And moreover, I do not like much the rest of Going for the One. The Mars Volta! I discovered them thanks to this great site and started with Frances the Mute. Then I got Deloused and er...I much much much by far far far prefer the latter over the former. Deloused is innovative, experimental, well balanced between rough and soft melodic sections. A 5+ starts masterpiece. Frances is....full of too much. Too long, less evenly balanced. Good of course, but... What do you think? ------------- Pierre R, the man who lost his signature |
Posted By: anael
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 15:25
Agree. I Saw Yes last year and they played Awaken...oh my God! Wonderful! i've never seen Cassandra Gemini live (only heard on many bootlegs) i hope someday. ------------- 
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AfanSpur wrote:Posted By: VERS
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 22:01
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Amen. ------------- 
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Posted By: Emiaj
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 22:37
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from some old prog fans Lindsay..don't take it that hard
..Awaken is awesome..haven't listened to Cassandra Gemini yet but TMV is something I must give a try soon..cheers |
Posted By: AfanSpur
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:17
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I have listened to the sky moves sideways and i like it a lot as i do many other tracks since 1977 including Mind Drive, Jordrok, Transatlantic and the flower kings but none have taken me to the next level ie 11 as the boys in Spinal Tap would say. If after 10 listens i had to comment maybe i would have said noisy filler, but no more. Cassandra makes sense, it tempts us with the eventual build up to the end but then leaves us hanging while it moves into a long slow mood which promises to build into something else but keeps teasing until you are begging for the crescendo . then on track 9 it starts to build with the crazy coltrane like sax then bursts into a reprise of that earlier (track 6 or build up which then launches into the frenetic exchanges of the last few minutes. The 'noisy filler' is essential to the mood of the track, without it Cassandra is just a good heavyish thrash around but with it hmmmm itls like the right wine with your favourite dish. So i make my point again by saying Awaken is awesome then 28 years later comes Cassandra what happened in between? ------------- There stands Olias to outward to build a ship Holding within all we hope to retain The frame will be so built to challenge the universe Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:23
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What I disagree with: Awaken. I like it, but I don't find it as unbelievable as a lot of others do. What I agree with: Cassandra. Possibly my favorite song of 2005, from just about my favorite album since the 70s. So yeah. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:23
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Awaken eclipses anything TMV could ever hope to do. I have heard most of Frances the Mute. I bought it and was basically confused out of my mind as to why it was on the Collaborators Top 5 albums of 2005 list. Usually something has to sound pleasing to the ear to be on any of my lists. I've not listened to the entire track because when I'm not enjoying something, I don't want to prolong the experience. I have heard De-loused and thought it was far better. "Take the Veil Carpin Taxt" is a great song, as is a good deal of the rest. Frances is a big wrong turn. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:26
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I much prefer "Moonloop" for effective space jam songs. "The Sky..." is still great. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:31
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Almost right, but you forgot Rush's Cygnus X-1 Book 2 from Hemispheres in '78. HA! Also, Dream Theater had some good epics in the 90s, but ya, Gemini blows them away imo. Gaston -------------  
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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: February 23 2006 at 23:40
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cassandra geminni is an amazing track of course and the mars volta is an amazing band. it will get to the fans for those that do nto understand them to claim they are nothing but noisy filler. but it's inevitable that this will happen. the first word that pops into any mars volta hater's mind when they think of the whole one or two songs they've really heard is "noise". give it time. i like awaken but i think cassandra kills it because awaken isn't too special in my eyes. but one epic that always moves me (and i'll point out has it's own bit of "noisy filler" though it doesn't seem to turn as many people off because they are supposed to like it) is "Echoes". ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 06:08
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I've tried again and I just cant get into Cassandra, the electronic noises last just too long and for me rather than build the tension end up being anti climactic. I much prefer De-Loused, it has a better concept story (as far as I can tell, havnt followed FTM story much yet) and the musical concept is much tighter and works brilliantly, I've even learnt to love the noises on Cicatriz esp. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: February 24 2006 at 06:29
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Posted By: AfanSpur
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 04:46
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Try listening to Cygmund V Cygmund? first. As good as Siberian Khatru ------------- There stands Olias to outward to build a ship Holding within all we hope to retain The frame will be so built to challenge the universe Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain |
Posted By: Paleviper
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 17:59
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I just listened to Awaken again to refresh my memory and it sounds as
great now as when I first heard it in 1977 I will have to see if
Cassadra Geminni sounds as good to me after a similar gap. Its a very
different song though but good none the less.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Paleviper/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: martin prog 77
Date Posted: February 26 2006 at 05:50
 YOU ARTE COMPARING AWAKEN[CLASSIC PROG ALBUN ] TO FRANCES THE MUTE[CRAPPY NOISI/SALSA PROG ALBUN ]IS LIKE YES TO BLINK182 ------------- TIME AFTER TIME IAM WASTING MY TIME LIVING IN A PAST WHERE I WAS STRONG,BUT NOW IM GONE.I LEAVE NO SHADOW WHEN IM ALONE.ILL STAY FOREVER IN MY DREAMS WHERE YOU ARE NEAR.-D. Gildenlow |
Posted By: The Ryan
Date Posted: February 26 2006 at 07:23
Oh yeah, because The Mars Volta is just like Blink 182... People can compare anything and rightfully so. Assuming they know how, wink wink. |
Posted By: GPH03
Date Posted: February 26 2006 at 11:09
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It's like comparing apples and oranges. On one side, you have a great symphonic track, full of beautiful melodies, with a singer who is pleasant to hear. On the other side , you have a very noisy piece of music with an irratating singer who's always screaming and the music has absolutely no hooks or memorable melodies at all... To each is own I guess... |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: February 26 2006 at 22:30
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Its odd, coz at NO point did I say I DID NOT like it!! It has noisy filler, like most of the album does, but that is part of the atmosphere. I just think it was a bit too much for me. Anyway, we can all have opinions and express them eh? Isn't that what a forum is FOR?? Oh and, please eat some pizza, you're getting too thin... |
Posted By: DualXP
Date Posted: February 26 2006 at 22:46
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However not as good as deloused by any means, frances the mute is still a good album the album flaws in much "noisy fillers" after both the first tracks, then five minutes of silence before track 4 also L'via is way too repetitive and doesn't go along with the same feel as the rest of the album but cassandra is a great piece with no "noisy fillers" its pretty damn perfect I LOVE This drummer
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Posted By: AfanSpur
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 04:36
That is the most blatant misuse of a laughing smily i have ever seen. Call me back when you have had some funny lessons you Twat! ------------- There stands Olias to outward to build a ship Holding within all we hope to retain The frame will be so built to challenge the universe Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain |