should steve vai be here?
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Topic: should steve vai be here?
Posted By: rachmahlerov
Subject: should steve vai be here?
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 20:03
| i think he should. his music is progressive enough for me. |
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Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 21:36
| I chose maybe. His music is progressive in the sense that it combines traditional aspects with things that haven't (or hadn't) been done before...I think its a tough decision to make. |
Posted By: Carl floyd fan
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 23:39
| no, his music, while technically amazing is devoid of any passion and ends up being boring. he doesn't really do anything (new) with the talent he has either. And no, he isn't prog. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 03:51
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I'd have to say an emphatic NO.
Don't get me wrong, I know he's a hugely talented guitarist & contributed much in his short stint with Zappa, but I agree 100% with Carl floyd fan, there is no passion there, and you can only listen for so long to what my wife refers to as "guitar w**king". This isn't progressive rock, just re-hashing what Edward Van Halen was doing 25 years ago, only faster. ****ducks from flying rocks**** ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 04:50
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I think Vai is great especially Re-Flexible and Passion & Warfare, but prog music??? No. My admiration grows for Vai having found him guesting on others' albums of other sorts of music, e.g. with Al DiMeola playing (on the remake) Racing The Devil On A Turkish Highway or with Anglo-Indian musican Surinder Sandhu and British jazz saxophonist Andy Shepherd doing Indo-Jazz Fusion. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 05:10
Should any of us be here ?????????????????
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 05:20
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Sorry mate but no. Like Elvis, he's a genre unto himself. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 05:57
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If he's prog enough, all is prog enough |
rachmahlerov wrote:Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 06:40
I agree with Oliver. We have to have some bounderies. And of course I also agree with Velvet: Should any of us be here? I know I have my doubts... ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 07:32
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I disagree with the comments about his lack of passion - methinks you look in the wrong places! There are swarms of *other* "virtuosi" who release passionless, sterile, technical, ego-centric noodlefests, but for me at least, Vai stands head, shoulders and probably many other bits above his contemporaries. To say Vai's solo material lacks passion is a lot like saying Zappa's music lacks passion. I know I shouldn't be here... |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 07:41
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But there's no doubt that Zappa is prog! And virtuosity is not the only criteria Zappa is one of the very best guitar player and a great composer! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 07:41
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..and Zappa rated Vai very highly, and perfomred with him on numerous occassions. I saw Vai playing with Dave Lee Roth some years ago, and he was the best thing happening on the stage. He's very talented,versatile, and original but not really prog IMO. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Lunarscape
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 07:54
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No Way ! ! ! That goes for Satriani too, before anybody gets the idea ! Lunar ------------- Music Is The Soul Bird That Flies In The Immense Heart Of The Listener . . . |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 07:57
Wasn't Satriani Vai's guitar teacher for a while?? A freind of mine was into Satriani in the 80's. I thought his albums 'Not of this Earth' and 'Surfing with the alien' were rather tedious, so I never listerned to anything else he did. You're quite right. I agree. Not prog.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 10:23
Goodness stand by for every rock musician having his/hers/their own personal sub-sub-sub- etc - sub-genre. I thought Vai was literally out of Joe Satriani's school of shreading.................................... |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 17:39
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hmm... I think he's got some progressive quality to him.
I think he should be in here. Just listen to the Attitude song. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: rachmahlerov
Date Posted: October 30 2004 at 16:12
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listen to bangkok and firegarden suite before deciding whether steve is prog or not. and the comments about him playing with feel are irrelevant, there are 100s of bands on this site that "play with no feel" imo. to me, prog is eclectic rock that cannot be catergorized any other way, and usually features virtuoso musicianship. is that not steve? |
Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: October 30 2004 at 16:55
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Yeah, probably...
------------- break the circle reset my head wake the sleepwalker and i'll wake the dead |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: October 30 2004 at 16:55
| The Fixx is 100 times more prog than Steve Vai, and it is still not here! |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 30 2004 at 17:20
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I totally disagree with your considered and detailed discourse... |
Posted By: emdiar
Date Posted: October 31 2004 at 14:12
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As long as Yngwei Malmsteen doesn't get a mention!!!......sh*t. What next? Uli Jon bleedin' Roth's Electric bloody Sun?!?! ------------- Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 12:02
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I voted Yes any more opinions? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: AngelRat
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 16:46
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He should be on wankarchives.com. -------------  |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 18:59
| No doubt his work is great. One of the great guitarists. Fit for ProgArchives? I doubt it. |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 22:37
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No. Even though I like Vai, his music isn't prog, or prog in the sense of the purpose of this website. And for all those who say he's devoid of passion and he's a machine- you're just jealous because he's better than your favourite guitarist! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 27 2005 at 22:40
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You have the same avatar as 'Blacksword'
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 03:54
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No. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 04:21
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Yes ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 05:28
Such a remark only shows ignorance. Yes, he is boring sometimes (for other reasons - noodling, inconsistent songwriting...) but he's the most passionate and soulful guitar virtuoso I know. I think he is more progressive than Satriani or any other shredder - there's no need to fear that they can be added too. His style is unique and eclectic (though influenced by Zappa) and noone can play guitar like him. He has also a lot more knowledge in music than other solo virtuosos. Conserning the inclusion in the archives... He plays a lot of non-prog stuff - blues rock, fusion, ethno rock... A lot of music also doesn't fit any style, for example: What is "OOOO"? avant metal or fusion or what?? But some compositions are prog - just listen to: "Fire Garden Suite", "Salamanders in the Sun", "There's Something Dead In Here" (not a pleasant listening but it's typical avant prog!), "Love Secrets", "The Silent Within", "The Road To Mt. Calvary". He has some real prog moments for sure and overall he sounds a lot like art rock. He may be worth consideration. |
Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 02:20
Mabye....................................... ------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 05:16
What is that supposed to mean? So you're saying that he's not progressive at all, and that he's on the same level as any other artist? Did you even listen to the Fire Garden Suite? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 05:25
I think you would be surprised if you knew how much of the stuff on Guitar, Drowning Witch, Tinseltown, You Are What You Is ... was played by Vai. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 05:28
Yeah but little good did Vai do to Zappa's music.. it was all downhill in the 80's, and it was in the 80's when Vai was with Zappa. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 05:57
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Vai had no influence on Zappa's music - he just played what he was told to. Here, listen to this: http://www.progarchives.com/mp3/Vai,%20Steve%20-%20Fire%20garden%20-%2009%20-%20Fire%20Garden%20Suite.mp3 - http://www.progarchives.com/mp3/Vai,%20Steve%20-%20Fire%20ga rden%20-%2009%20-%20Fire%20Garden%20Suite.mp3 ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:20
Where did we come from, why are we here, where do we go when we die...  I`ve said it once, I`ve said it twice and I`ll say it again... YES Steve Vai IS prog and he should be here. ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |