relative n00b to prog rock...
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Topic: relative n00b to prog rock...
Posted By: J Mann
Subject: relative n00b to prog rock...
Date Posted: October 20 2004 at 15:50
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recommend me the essentials. I have dabbled in the genre a bit I like Porcupine Tree, Gordian Knot, Estradasphere, Karmakanic, King Crimson and Yes. As well as a lot of prog metal, Sun Caged, Opeth, Symbyosis, Lykathea Aflame etc. So what should i start off with? |
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Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: October 20 2004 at 16:04
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 20 2004 at 16:16
Who for the most part represent the softer end of the prog rock scale. For four from harder end of prog rock: King Crimson Yes Van Der Graaf Generator Nice/ELP |
Paradox wrote:Posted By: lobster41
Date Posted: October 20 2004 at 16:28
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Marillion/Fish, Transatlantic, IQ for the more melonic/symphonic. Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, Queensryche ("Operation Mindcrime") for prog metal. |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: October 20 2004 at 17:42
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RUSH:- 2112 A Farewell To Kings Hemispheres Permanent Waves Moving Pictures
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You get my drift?Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: October 20 2004 at 18:34
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Check out ProgRock Records: http://www.progrockrecords.com/ - http://www.progrockrecords.com/
They have a good selection and consistently sign new top notch bands. |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: October 20 2004 at 19:26
| Tool and Pink Floyd |
Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: October 20 2004 at 20:11
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You're all cracked, the best starter by far is:
Duh. If you're one of the MILLIONS who have already heard it, I suggest: YES: Fragile, Close to the Edge PINK FLOYD: Dark Side (duh), Wish You Were Here, The Wall GENESIS: Foxtrot |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 20 2004 at 23:49
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I Suggest:
Iván |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 04:46
This man knows what he's talking about. Be sure to check out the above. You will not be dissapointed.
------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 04:48
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Then you should dive into:
Thats a shocking picture, sorry. Just to clarify thats 'The Lamb lies down on Broadway' by Genesis. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 08:16
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Well if you can cope with guitars taking a back seat then the following are essential: Van Der Graaf Generator Gentle Giant Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso (Be quiet, all of you! I maintain that you haven't seen all prog has to offer until you've experienced at LEAST one Italian album) and if you can cope with something a bit jazzy... Caravan and Hatfield & The North
This is of course assuming that you've heard Close to the Edge. |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 14:39
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pink floyd definetly. for prog metal you have to have dream theater. i suggest you get some mp3s on this site from images and words or scenes from a memory and see if you like. ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 15:08
| I'd recommend a bit of Arena, "Contagion" perhaps, for the reassurance that excellent prog is still being made today. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 15:36
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I would also recommend 'DarkMatter' and 'Seventh House' by IQ to give you an idea of how old and new prog ideas can be combined brilliantly. DM came out this year, and SH in about 2000. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 15:57
| am i the only one who doesn't like Dream Theater much? |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 16:47
That's interesting Dick. I can see where you're coming from with your distinction, but I would question for example whether Caravan are "softer" than KC or VDGG. I would however say those two were "harder" to get into, but I don't think that's what you meant! |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 17:23
Did you spot my get-out clause "most of"?
I realise having read many of the enthusiastic reviews for some long term prog bands in Progarchives, which I never got into in a big way, I've come to a half-formed conclusion that I prefer the heavier and/or jazz complex ends of the (multi-ended) spectrum. However, wrt of original bands listed - with the exception of one - (i.e. the soft 4), I have several albums by each of them. Hence "half-formed" realisation.............................. A further example: I prefer the original hard edged Renaissance to the softer Annie Haslam band. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 17:36
Just listen to ELP... it all goes down hill after that.... ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 17:43
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 18:40
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It was actually called "Emerson Lake & Palmer"... ELP is short for the band... not the first album... And I was referring to prog.. but you knew that... but I look at it as "there was ELP...and then there was some others..."...
------------- THIS IS ELP
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. (I'm nothing if not consistent!)Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 20:07
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knew that, I bought the album the week it was originally released. I
was baiting you because I couldn't believe a consumate ELP fan had
written that bit of ambiguity (ambiguous to this devious mind anyway) -
when do you get into the UK? |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 20:47
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On Nov. 20th... I thought I'd just camp out in the Astoria for a few days... during Progeny and maybe follow Carl up to a show in Wales then Birmingham... but I might just stay in London... thats the great thing about traveling now.. I make no plans, I just go with the flow.... I don't return home till Nov. 27th. ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: J Mann
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 20:58
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My friend is really into them, and their is no doubt in my mind that all the players in the band are more or less gods of their instruments, but overall I prefer a band like Symphony X to them. DT are good but im not really into them. I keep hearing great things about Rush so ill check them out for sure, Floyd is obviously a must, and to the guy who asked if i didnt mind the guitars not being the focus, it doesnt matter as long as the music is great. Thanks for all the suggestions. |
Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 21:21
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I like it, no doubt. No doubt you are ugly. No doubt at all. WHY IS THAT GREEN AND UNDERLINED EVERY TIME I TYPE IT??? Must be some ad scheme.... MAX! This is your doing! (crap! it's not underlining!? what did I do wrong????) |
Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 21:23
| Huh? Mine's not underlining it like J Mann's did! Wots, uh, the deal? |
Posted By: J Mann
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 21:39
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Yea thats weird, btw i hate no doubt *waits to see if it underlines again* -------------  |
Posted By: penguindf12
Date Posted: October 21 2004 at 21:56
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It sure is weird, no doubt. No doubt. No Doubt it is odd. There is no doubt that that is strange.
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Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 06:55
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No one's mentioned Pendragon which I have just discovered after having dismissed them for 20 years. D'oh! Right now I would say they are the best prog band I have ever heard,nay,the best music I have ever heard,period. Which makes it even more annoying that I waited so long in checking them out. Double D'oh! It was the name,you see. I thought with a name like that they had to be a bunch of hippy,folky,Tolkien fanciers,which is the sort of thing I hate. How wrong I was! And it's only taken me 20 years to realise this. Triple D'oh!! Now I have lot of catching up to do... But it really is a damn silly name. ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
Posted By: Panoramic
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 13:47
Pendragon is actually derived from King Arthur mythology. I don't know if that helps you out on whether or not their name is silly but I thought I would help you try to stomach the name better. Perhaps it made it worse |
Posted By: Pixel Pirate
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 16:19
It helps slightly but not all that much,it still sticks in my throat. But I appreciate the effort! ------------- Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 16:48
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Wel Pixel-pirate if you like pendragon you should check out shadowland and other derivate bands (some better than the other, but even so). I had the same experience as you. They are along with marillion, post-gabriel (pre abacab) genesis and probably IQ the founders of neo-prog as I like it. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: jiggajake
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 16:57
how obscure that it'd do such a thing |
Posted By: Carlos
Date Posted: October 22 2004 at 18:26
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AS IN SCHOOL YOU SHOUL BEGIN WITH THE BASICS AND IT'S OBVIOUS ALL OF YOU HAD SAID PINK FLOYD, GENESIS, YES, KING CRIMSON, ETC. MY FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH PROG WAS DARK SIDE OF THE MOON AND ANIMALS ------------- Democracy=A form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people... 
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