Wishbone Ash
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Topic: Wishbone Ash
Posted By: daz2112
Subject: Wishbone Ash
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 12:20
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Mine is Argus without a doubt!! But i love all of them with only locked in being fairly weak to their standards! ------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 12:47
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So many good albums......I've always liked New England. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 13:02
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Have to say 'Argus' is by far my favourite of their albums. Their first two are excellent though, but I was hugely disappointed with 'Wishbone Four' when I heard that, and don't like the albums I've heard since that era like 'Number The Brave', 'There's The Rub' or the songs from 'Here To Hear' I've heard. It's a shame their last album, 'Bona Fide', wasn't on there, as it seemed to me it was a, well, bona fide return to form. Indeed, two songs on there, 'Ancient Remedy' and the superb 'Come Rain Come Shine', were as good as anything on 'Argus' imo. Their 90s 'comeback' album of sorts 'Illuminations' was OK too. |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 14:52
Argus  , to me it sounds as genuine progressive rock feautring great duo-guitar play, alternating compositions and some subtle keyboard work.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 15:32
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"Argus" overshadows all their other albums. The self titled first one was excellent though. Their lowest point by some way has to be "Locked in", I never wanted to hear a vocoder again after that album. By the way, their song "Everybody needs a friend" is an absolute classic. It's on "Wishbone 4" I think. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 15:52
| I'm going to admit I've only heard their first 4 albums, but I can't imagine one being better than Argus. |
Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 16:11
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Argus. I love Leaf And Stream ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know... Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 17:05
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Argus... without a doubt.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 17:40
... and the ending solo on Throw Down The Sword. And Warrior. ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know... Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul... |
Publius84 wrote:Posted By: A'swepe
Date Posted: February 10 2006 at 21:32
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Add me to the list of Argus fans. ------------- David - Never doubt in the dark that which you believe to be true in the light. http://www.myspace.com/aardvarktxusa - Instrumental rock http://www.soundclick.com/aardvarktxusa |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: February 11 2006 at 12:25
Exactly ... I voted for Argus because virtually every song is special ... and the album is one of the greatest ever, by any band, IMO But before I heard Argus, I was quite in love with 4 ... a patchier effort ... but with at least three superb songs ... including the sentimental Everybody Needs A Friend ... the gorgeous Ballad Of The Beacon, Sorrel (another marvellous wah-wah solo if I recall) and the mean closer Rock'N'Roll Widow ... ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 14 2006 at 05:08
Argus for me to, easily their best Followed respectively by the debut and Pilgrimmage I love the Live Dates album, too However I was always so disappointed at 4 ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
, with its basic rock attitude, what a bringdown after Argus.Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: February 14 2006 at 11:58
Argus, the only one I own 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: February 19 2006 at 15:35
Have to say I agree that I found 'Wishbone 4' something of a let down after the brilliance of 'Argus'. Other albums like 'There's The Rub' and 'Number The Brave' were somewhat weak too in my opinion. |
Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: February 21 2006 at 08:54
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I've always thought that 4 was a good album! Bit of everything,rock,folk,love song etc
------------- In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole |
Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: February 21 2006 at 11:28
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One vote for Pilgramage, a much underrated album that gets overshadowed by Argus. It has a lot of tracks every bit as good - Vas Dis, title track, Valediction, Lullabye and Alone. Love that twin lead guitar sound of Ted and Andy. It is partially spoilt though by two godawful 'boogie' tracks Jailbait and Where were you Tomorrow? From the Ash albums I've heard the first three are the strongest. After that they seemed to get less ambitious and more West Coast. ------------- "It's 1973, almost dinnertime and I'm 'aving 'oops!" - Gene Hunt |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 20 2006 at 10:53
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Argus, There's the Rub close second.
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Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: December 18 2006 at 09:03
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Argus, because there are no "boogie" tracks with names like Rock & Roll Widow or Jailbait! ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: December 19 2006 at 07:17
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The first album. My first exposure to the band - when Peel was pushing their music - the one which has consistency. And the album's long track Phoenix is a gem and not the overblown version heard on live albums. Problem with Argus and Pilgrimage is WA can't make their mind up whether to decent prog or decent AOR, so we get albums with both. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 19 2006 at 07:23
Can't believe someone voted for the very poor "Locked In".
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: December 21 2006 at 10:31
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ARGUS!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: December 21 2006 at 11:15
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Argus, but I love all the first three albums. Didn't like the way they seemed to become a more generic mid-Atlantic rock band after that though. ------------- "It's 1973, almost dinnertime and I'm 'aving 'oops!" - Gene Hunt |
Posted By: cacha71
Date Posted: January 20 2008 at 08:09
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I voted for Argus too because it is more of a prog album, though I like all of their albums and they are consistant in their quality with the exception of Wonderful Stash, never could work out the philosophy behind that one. It is one of the few bands of whom I have a full discography, except their latest release Power of Eternity which I am trying to find. Definitely an underrated band. ------------- http://www.last.fm/group/Progressive+Folk |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 20 2008 at 10:40
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Tough choice between "Pilgrimage" and "New England" for me. Due to the beautiful "By Candlelight" I went with "New England".
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: January 20 2008 at 16:12
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It's Argus for me. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: January 20 2008 at 16:30
| Argus, everthing just came together for them on that album, what can I say. Blowin' Free and Warrior are my two favorite songs by them. |
Posted By: Guzzman
Date Posted: January 21 2008 at 12:21
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Since you asked for studio albums only it has to be Argus, although I first got into Wishbone Ash listening to Live Dates. It blew me away and I guess that's partly because of the songs from Argus presented live. Throw Down The Sword, Warrior, Blowin' Free and King Will Come - amazing stuff!
------------- "We've got to get in to get out" |
Posted By: Okocha
Date Posted: January 27 2008 at 10:55
| Argus |
Posted By: weetabix
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 19:37
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I have always liked their first three LP's.
I also thought of, later on, that the Wishbone debut, was just as good as Dire Straits 'Sultans'.
(just an opinion mind you)
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Posted By: Scapler
Date Posted: February 17 2008 at 16:49
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Argus, duh ------------- Bassists are deadly 
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Posted By: rudderhead
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 17:04
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I Like Argus. But the first album I heard was Number the Brave. What is a much heavier and direct album.
I can recomend that to any Wishbone Ash fan
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: March 07 2008 at 17:25
Can't believe someone voted for the even worse 'Twin Barrels Burning'.
 ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Peto
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 15:04
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Argus by far for me ------------- good music lover |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: March 23 2008 at 20:05
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There's the Rub, both FUBB and Persephone are memorable. Truth be said though, Live Dates is the best Ash album, because they shone live! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 16:37
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 16:44
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Predictably, I went for Argus... with Pilgrimage a very close second. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: August 27 2008 at 23:16
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I won't try to be smart and vote ''Locked in''.......like everybody else i think ARGUS is above the rest.
As mentioned above, EVERYBODY NEEDS A FRIEND
 happens to be my favorite song by them...9mns of wonderful music.....a ballad as good as ITCOTCK song..........VOL 4 is not that bad. you know!
LIVE DATES is something else as well!!
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: August 29 2008 at 04:09
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It has to be Argus for me too.
I love four of the first five albums.I think that 'Four' is weaker than the first three but they made up for it on 'There's The Rub'.Laurie Wisefield debuts with some blistering fretwork. ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 29 2008 at 04:44
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Wishbone Four for me, sentimental reasons. Ballad of Big is awesome.. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: August 29 2008 at 05:29
Did Genesis cover a Wishbone Ash song? ;-) I'm sure that you meant Ballad of the Beacon Pedants hat off -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 19:50
Argus:proggy,epic,magnificent twin guitar solos and concept about knighthood.Live Dates is good too:I love Phoenix
------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 00:46
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Live Dates and Pilgrimage Oh And Wishbone Ash one the best Live !!! bands i have ever seen ------------- 
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 23:48
We still don't know who voted for ''LOCKED IN''???? ...I would like to read his comment why!
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Posted By: TB1953ARMY5
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 19:30
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It`s hard to nail down my fav. CD, they are all great, I rarley listen to anything else. Wishbone Ash
" Time Was....Dbl. live set is anohter great set. Just ordered the Argus remake " Then Again" can`t wait to listen to that one. ------------- Wishbone Ash is simply :The Best" |
Posted By: Nizz
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 19:58
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Martin Turner's Wishbone Ash, the band formed a couple of years back by the former bassplayer and lead vocalist, have also re-recorded Argus. A studio version in their case, with John Wetton and Geoff Downes guesting on Throw Down The Sword (Asia share management with MTWA, and of course JW was briefly in Wishbone, replacing Martin who had just left, just prior to joining Asia).
Looking forward to hearing it, as they were stunning live in Glasgow earlier this year.
Argus Then Again Live (recorded for US station XM radio in front of a small audience during the summer) is tremendous. We'll be seeing WA (the current lineup, led by sole survivor Andy Powell) soon, for the fifth time since 2006. A great band. ------------- Wot Gorilla? |
Posted By: terransage
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 23:57
| Wishbone Four was my first album by them, and I wasn't sure I liked it. But then it grew on me over time. Later I got Argus and New England, both of which I like a lot. Had a chance to see them play in a small club, too, and that blew me away even more. They're fantastic (and tight) as a live band. |
Posted By: Cosmic Chris Wizz
Date Posted: August 15 2009 at 10:57
They were progressively more boring than their first album was already boring from the start. A more astute group then were Black Widow.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 16 2009 at 06:01
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Not sure if "astute" is a criteria for Wishbone Ash's music - it sounds good to me from whichever intelligence it's using. I don't think the music seeks to gain any kind of advantage necessarily - but it certainly did. You can easily hear the huge number of bands they influenced (as well as their obvious influences).
I haven't listened to Black Widow much, but what I've heard doesn't seem to have the "big picture" viewpoint that Wishbone Ash clearly did - Black Widow's musicial designs and compositional techniques seem less "astute" if anything (if that's really the word you meant), IIRC.
I'll revisit their material at my earliest convenience, as it's true that you don't always pick everything up in a few listens - I always enjoy listening to music from that time.
 I disagree that WA were progressively more boring - the first album is OK - obviously down tempo and free from unnecessary intricacies, but not what I'd call boring. Pilrimage is superb - a real blast off by comparison, and Argus is the culmination of that progression, as far as I cal tell. Sounds to me like they certainly got more interesting as they progressed - why would you think they got more boring (unless you simply didn't like it!)?
I was listening to Pilgrimage last night - it just seems to get better with every listen. I like Argus, but Pilgrimage just rocks. Nothing boring about it at all - depends on your attention span, I suppose... ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: TB1953ARMY5
Date Posted: August 17 2009 at 20:56
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I was reading comments on Wishbone Ash. One person even called them boring. Boring?
With the internet you can find so much. I was a big fan up to WA 4, kinda drifted away with all the great groups at the time. I feel that Argus was the perfect album, start to finish. Andy and his Buds have done a great job keeping WA going strong. The remake of the Argus album on XM was great.
I saw them play at a small club in Ohio in 2007. They captivated the crowd start to finish. There are alot of Ash cd`s out there now. I like the live in Hamburg CD personally.
I can`t take a drive without poping a WA cd in the disc drive. I still have many favs. but Wishbone Ash is simply the best ------------- Wishbone Ash is simply :The Best" |
Posted By: DRACCA
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 07:10
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Argus is my favorite. The King Will Come is the highlight of the album for me. And how could anyone not appreciate the lyrics of that song? I like Pilgrimage, Live Dates, and New England. That talk box guitar(Frampton style or Jeff Beck) always got to me, but the songwriting on NE is something that I can't pass up....In All Of My Dreams, come to think of it may be like early Camel...Moonmadness period. I never had the chance to hear Live Dates Vol.II. I bet that's a decent record to check out right? ------------- INNER TEMPLE |
Posted By: Ghostmojo
Date Posted: December 31 2009 at 07:34
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I went for There's The Rub.
Argus is of course a classic and the first album is also indispensible in my books, but TTR has a great live sound with really up-front bass.
BTW - the fourth album is actually called Wishbone Four (not 'Four') and I don't think Illuminations should be included because it is the first of Andy Powell's many bogus albums featuring himself and unknown salaried sidemen, rather than the 'proper' band itself (with a quorum of original members). That stuff is like what Roger Waters said of Floyd without himself ... a passable forgery. It is not really true of Floyd - but definitely is of Wishbone Ash.
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Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: December 31 2009 at 11:47
| I'm going to go with Locked In 'cause I'm sitting listening to it just now and it's sounding pretty good. |
Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: December 31 2009 at 11:51
| The vocals aren't up to scratch with Pilgrimage and Argus but I'm loving the music on it. |