discrimination for prog in other language
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Topic: discrimination for prog in other language
Posted By: chamberry
Subject: discrimination for prog in other language
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:13
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Now, I know that bed for progressive music was in England and sung in
English. But alot of time when I talk to progers and I recommend them
an album not sung in english and they get skeptical (is that the word)
about it. If they only knew what they are missing  please discuss about this topic. I would like to know your opinions on this ------------- 
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Posted By: Zenith
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:25
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Offcourse they are missing a lot of the point in prog when they say so. I believe that most of it comes down to the MUSIC and definitely not the lyrics. ------------- We're only in it for the music!!! |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:41
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Zenith wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 17:47
wow... what self-discriminating 'progger' wouldn't recognize the beauty of the sound of Italiian or Spanish being sung. I think your progger friends need to lay off that metal crap and listen to something with a bit more....depth and craftwork to it hahahahh.  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 18:20
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I listen to progmetal but I dont have a problem with listening to music in a foreign language. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 18:22
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For me it's all about the voice and the music. Really horrible lyrics can sometimes somewhat spoil the music(like on Mr. Bungle's The Girls Of Porn - good song, disgusting lyrics) But if you don't understand it, who cares? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 19:18
I was joking about the crap metal hense the 'hahahah' and the wink. I'm a frustrated comedian.... probably because my sense of humor sucks.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 19:25
hahaha  that is the secret to Italian prog..... you should know one thing while buying Italian prog albums..... you may not like an albums music... but you will NEVER dislike one those albums for bad, horrible lyrics. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 22:08
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Some awesome music comes from other countries!
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 22:12
Yes, micky, Kraftwerk is a great band that sing in their native language .Of course, there are English versions of the albums, but for me, the original ones, with German vocals are best. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 22:14
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Some of the best bands I know about sing in other languages : Harmonium (french), PFM, Banco, etc (Italian)
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Posted By: D.Noisserger
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 22:17
I hate spanish vocal  It's sounding f****** bad in my ears! (sorry for spanish people, I don't want to offence you)But as a french listenner, I've no problem with french, english, japanease and sometimes russian vocals. But I don't like spanish vocal at all  ------------- [IMG]http://www.painofsalvation.com/news/images/a-collage-change.jpg"> |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 22:47
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usually, i do not like French lyrics: probably because they take a part of my attention from the music. ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 22:50
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The Italian vocals are beatutiful, and I just plain love them. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 23:03
| I do listen to prog with foreign lyrics, but what always happens is I start to wonder what they're singing about. Especially if it's a concept album of sorts, which then becomes aggravating. I just feel like I'm missing something special and then I get depressed. |
Posted By: Emiaj
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 23:04
| ^^..you hate spanish vocals..well..guess you are discriminating..that sucks..which prog bands with vocals in spanish have ya listened to? |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 23:06
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Wow! You need to be quicker with that response of yours, because now it looks like you're pointing at me and I never said anything about Spanish lyrics. Use the quote button next time. |
Posted By: Mongo
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 23:10
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I find that when someone sings in a foreign language the voice just becomes another instrument to my ears. ------------- "The options are ever fewer on the ground these days" Fish |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: February 06 2006 at 23:15
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In my case, actually, it is funny because for a long time, English was a foreign language for me. So I don't know how you really feel about music in english. When I listen to french music (my native language), It is really different because I understand everything without thinking about it. So, I always wondered how a native english speaker felt when listening an english song.
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Posted By: Thufir Hawat
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 00:23
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I don’t care about the langaue, as long as It is prog. ------------- "I can't see through my eye lids" |
Posted By: erlenst
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 01:35
You think music has to be prog to be good ?  |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 02:13
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I often feel the same. If I could speak as many languages as exist! ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 07:46
almost 90% of the music I listen is in another language. To live in South America is to grow up listening to all kinds of stuff you don't understand... Off course, now there's internet, so you can always count with translators and things like that. Plus, I can use a little english now. that helps, but only for reading. Some peoples pronunciation is very poor. At least, now I understand 50% of the lyrics. Still, there's a cultural gap I'll never be able to compensate. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 11:25
That happens to me too. Funny that this topic just came up... one of my favorite electro-industrial bands, The Young Gods, are a Swiss band that sang entirely in French for their first few releases. I began to wonder what they were singing about, but I got past it, because I loved the music so much. Then they released an album with English lyrics. Now I don't know if something got lost in the translation, or whether the lyrics were also bad in French, but WOW were the lyrics dumb! I actually began to prefer that they went back to French, so I could make up my own concepts behind the songs!  On the other hand, I just bought my first Eloy album, Ocean. At first I was concerned that the singer's thick German accent was what was bothering me. I've realized now that that's only a part of it. I also think the vocals are just poorly executed! I firmly believe that Eloy HAD to have been part of the inspiration for "This is Spinal Tap".  ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 16:04
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I was one of the victim of these discriminisation too, but thats long
gone. who would I apreciate Anglagard, Sigur Ros, Harmonium, Magma or
italian prog bands? So for all of you out there who don't like prog because it isn't sung in a language you can't understand, please try to be open minded because you're missing in alot of prog rock action (accesories not included  )-------------
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Posted By: oracus
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 17:22
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Makes me angry that so many people that call themselves Progfans refuse to listen Prog rock bands with foreign lyrics. They dont know what they are missing!!! Italian for example is so poetical language, Spanish, language of MAGMA..
sorry for my english ------------- 
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Posted By: Lord Qwerty
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 17:41
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Lord Qwerty feels that enjoyment of prog should be based around the music. If you must have vocals, give them emotion and hopefully melody. If possible, avoid putting too much philosophy into the lyrics or Lord Qwerty will groan because if he wanted to listen to your f**king thoughts on the meaning of life, he would have asked. Lord Qwerty likes beauty, damnit!! Not sissy pseudo-philosophy. Instead, make them intentionally ludicrous like Peter Gabriel or give me a sad story like 'Fallen Angel' by King Crimson. And for the love of God, NO MORE ROCK OPERAS!! Lord Qwerty thinks they're absurd. If you MUST tell a story, DON'T make it allegorical. Lord Qwerty HATES allegories. Are you listening to his lordship, Neil Morse?! In summary, Lord Qwerty doesn't mind if the lyrics are in a language he doesn't understand. ------------- Lord Qwerty is remarkably pretentious. |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 17:51
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I'm like this. i dont know why. i dont evn listin to lyrics of english songs. BUt i've never been tempted to listen to Italian prog or anytihng like that. German Metal i can do though...
------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: Mharo
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 17:59
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Even though I have a quite good English level, it's not easy for a
non-native speaker to understand the lyrics, at least not inmediately.
So I guess I'm used to not understanding lyrics and just listening to
the music. The only problem is that sometimes I can't reproduce the phonetic sound of some languages (such as japanese) and I get a bit lost. But that doesn't keep me from enjoying the music, it just takes me a little longer to do. ------------- Suritis: The Remembering. Hopefully we should appreciate that given points in time are not so significant as the nature of what is impressed on the mind, and how it is retained and used. |
Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 18:09
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The same thing happens to me. Sometimes i have to hear two or three times the song only paying attention the the lyrics, or even listen it while i'm reading the lyrics in order to understand the message given, but at last i get to understand de songs quite well. When The Lyrics are not in english, or in a latin language this is harder to do. |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 18:38
Let's study languages! ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 19:02
I picked up a "learn Italian in two weeks" computer program to comprehend Italian prog better hahahhah......  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 19:18
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im taking french classes but its kind of hard to remember all of those words, names, conjunctions and all that stuff
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 19:21
hopefully you are not advanced in years.... it gets harder to learn as you get older ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: February 09 2006 at 19:34
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Even such things can be helpful. When you're listening to the music and understand only some words, it is better than nothing. Even few familiar words help to create some images in your head and make songs more memorable. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |