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Best Saxaphone Player in Progressive

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Topic: Best Saxaphone Player in Progressive
Posted By: RoyalJelly
Subject: Best Saxaphone Player in Progressive
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 07:51
     I don't like comparing musicians like race horses generally, but for the
sake of discussion, it seems to me that the reed players don't get the
attention here they deserve, standing in the shadows of guitar divas and
glittery-caped keyboardists. Their contribution was and is however very
important, and while there may be a lot of great jazz saxists, not many
can really rock as well. But I think that Collin's contributions to Crimson's
Islands and Lizard are brilliant examples of creative reedmanship that
rocks, and helped make progressive stand apart in it's originality and
craftsmanship from other rock of the time. And what would Soft Machine
have been without the impassioned wailings of Elton Dean? I couldn't
think of too many other names than these, if you've other favorites,
please recommend them. I didn't include Wayne Shorter though, because
it wouldn't have been fair to the others... (Oops, Jackson is twice, and I
can't edit it!)



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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 07:54
Linda Spa

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Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 07:57
John Helliwell (Supertramp)

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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 08:02

Dadid Jackson listed twice.

I voted for him.

Mel Collins and Elton Dean are great too.



Posted By: Hemulen
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 08:21

john zorn!



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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 09:00
I'll go with Bloomdido, although Elton Dean is excellent too. He achieves his peak on the "Fairy Tales" album of Mother Gong, on saxes as well as on various flutes. The way he imitates frogs or rats on his saxes and flutes is simply amazing. And what he does in the passage "Flying" of the epic track "Wassilissa" is outstandingly beautiful.

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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 09:12

The saxophone player in the Flower Kings is pretty amazing.

I don't know his/her name though.



Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 09:17

I voted for Mel Collins as I love his contributions to King Crimson on albums like Lizard, Poseidon and Islands. Elton Dean is great too

Where's Ian Mcdonald?



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Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 09:24
     Yeah, actually the two Ians should be there, MacDonald and
Underwood, but I only thought of them afterwards, and apparently you
can't edit or correct the poll once it's launched...


Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 09:24

Elton Dean gets my vote from the choices listed there, mainly for his wonderfully expressive alto playing on side 1 of Soft Machine 5.

Didier Malherbe is also brilliant, but is truly outstanding as a flautist.

John Zorn is another giant, but wasn't an option on the poll.



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Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 09:40
    Actually, I've long pushed for Zorn's inclusion in the archives, but have
always been rebuffed with the objection that he's not progressive, but
"avant-garde". In light of the importance of projects of his such as Naked
City, that have an inestimable influence on modern progressive, I find it
absurd to shift Zorn to the avant-garde ghetto, but that's the reason I
didn't include him on the list. But good that he comes up again for
discussion...I was thinking more of the old 70s sax masters.


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 09:50
Bloomdido bad de grass






Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 09:54
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Elton Dean gets my vote from the choices listed there, mainly for his wonderfully expressive alto playing on side 1 of Soft Machine 5.


Didier Malherbe is also brilliant, but is truly outstanding as a flautist.


John Zorn is another giant, but wasn't an option on the poll.



I can remember that Fourth (masterpiece) features also some excellent sax parts.


Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 10:00
Ian Mcdonald!!!

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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 10:18

Originally posted by RoyalJelly RoyalJelly wrote:

    Actually, I've long pushed for Zorn's inclusion in the archives, but have
always been rebuffed with the objection that he's not progressive, but
"avant-garde". In light of the importance of projects of his such as Naked
City, that have an inestimable influence on modern progressive, I find it
absurd to shift Zorn to the avant-garde ghetto, but that's the reason I
didn't include him on the list. But good that he comes up again for
discussion...I was thinking more of the old 70s sax masters.

He's now in the archive - Joren added him not so long ago. Not the full discography, but a pretty fair sample of it including Naked City.



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Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom




Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 10:32
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

[QUOTE=RoyalJelly]    Actually, I've long pushed for
Zorn's inclusion in the archives, but have always been rebuffed with the
objection that he's not progressive, but "avant-garde". In light of the
importance of projects of his such as Naked City, that have an
inestimable influence on modern progressive, I find it absurd to shift Zorn
to the avant-garde ghetto, but that's the reason I didn't include him on
the list. But good that he comes up again for discussion...I was thinking
more of the old 70s sax masters.


He's now in the archive - Joren added him not so long ago. Not the full
discography, but a pretty fair sample of it including Naked City.

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     Thanks, Sygyzy, that's great. If they'd just get Frith in there too, prog
history here would be a bit more accurate. Ohh...another fantastic tenor
sax player I forgot in the poll...Klaus Doldinger of Passport...they had
some amazing progressive jazz rock in the 70s, like "Cross-Collateral",
"Looking Thru" and "Infinity Machine". But not too many know them
here...


Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 19:10

I'd have to go with Jackson from VdGG, he did some really impressive stuff.  Especially with the structure of VdGG, everytime I listen to that band, the structure never ceases to amaze me.



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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 19:19
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

I voted for Mel Collins as I love his contributions to King Crimson on albums like Lizard, Poseidon and Islands. Elton Dean is great too

Where's Ian Mcdonald?



don't forget Collins' contributions to Squire's solo album.  His solo on K.C.'s Cirkus.. is one of those prog moments that ....almost.... brings  tears to your eyes. 


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 19:20
aahhhhh...


Chris Wood - Traffic   anyone?


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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 20:13
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

I voted for Mel Collins as I love his contributions to King Crimson on albums like Lizard, Poseidon and Islands. Elton Dean is great too

Where's Ian Mcdonald?



don't forget Collins' contributions to Squire's solo album.  His solo on K.C.'s Cirkus.. is one of those prog moments that ....almost.... brings  tears to your eyes. 

I voted for Mel Collins. Don't forget his great contribution to the Camel's albums too.



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Posted By: VanBuren
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 20:18
IAN MCDONALD!


Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 20:18
Elton Dean is great, but lately I've been more partial to Lol Coxhill, he's not listed though. Any who, Coxhill still gets my vote.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 20:20
Originally posted by R_DeNIRO R_DeNIRO wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

I voted for Mel Collins as I love his contributions to King Crimson on albums like Lizard, Poseidon and Islands. Elton Dean is great too

Where's Ian Mcdonald?



don't forget Collins' contributions to Squire's solo album.  His solo on K.C.'s Cirkus.. is one of those prog moments that ....almost.... brings  tears to your eyes. 

I voted for Mel Collins. Don't forget his great contribution to the Camel's albums too.





and the ......Rolling Stones 


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Posted By: kebjourman
Date Posted: February 01 2006 at 21:20
DIDIER


Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: February 02 2006 at 16:16
     Probably Michael Brecker's technically the best of the
choices listed here, his blowing on Zappa's "Purple Lagoon"
from Live in NY is just incomparable. But I see the most readers
are remaining true to British progressive roots...



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