The Dillinger Escape Plan
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Topic: The Dillinger Escape Plan
Posted By: Rashikal
Subject: The Dillinger Escape Plan
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 16:50
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this band could be described by some as progressive metal, and i think theyre better than opeth techincally, and overall. thoughts? i think they should be added. they worked with mike patton of mr bungle and fantomas etc. on one album, i think theyre great. ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 16:54
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http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1929 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAN D.asp?band_id=1929 And NO, they're nowhere near as good as Opeth. Totally over the top, and although I find them interesting, I would not blindly recommend them. But I would recommend Opeth without a shadow of a doubt ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:07
Check the EP with Patton for something excellent. Of course it's over the top 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:13
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Yes, the EP is nice. In fact it's my favorite DEP record. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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goose wrote:Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:26
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They are not better than Opeth, but they are really good. Sure, their music is tedhnical brilliance, but I think they are a little obnoxious at times. With Miss Machine, they added more variety, but I would really like to see them have more contrast. I can hardly get through a full length. I do love Miss Machine, but only in moderation. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:29
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I liked Miss Machine at first, but it did not grow. I really miss harmonic melodies and clear song structures in their music. I guess this is also what you mean by "contrast". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:46
Somewhat. I know what you mean, but I think that Miss Machine, song-wise, had more contrast than anything else they've done. I think a handful of the tracks on Miss Machine have a clear song structure. Vocally, they have improved. Their first vocalist didn't sing at all; the new guy sings on a couple of tracks, and he has a versatile voice. His scream is brutal, but he can actually sing too. "Baby's First Coffin" is a prime example of his versatility. There is the crazy for the first few minutes, and then they go into that light, melodic part; it is fantastic. The rhythmic pattern remains very odd, but the music is beautfiul. Their music should have more of that in it, but not too much, or that will get old too. Hopefully they will continue to build their sound for their next record. I would definitely like to see more harmonies and the sort. Miss Machine didn't grow on me at all either, but it is the only one I can stand listening to, except for the Patton EP on occasion.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 18:04
Agreed ... but I think that they would have to add a lot more "contrast" until I would really love their music. And I fear that their initial approach was to be as quirky and "math" as possible, with almost no harmony or repeating, simple patterns. So if they would add many of these elements they would not be DEP anymore ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 18:12
Good points. That is what makes them who they are. I will always appreciate them, but possibly never love them. They started a new thing in metal with that ridiculously technical music, and many bands have been forming in that vein, but none of them (save for Between the Bureid and Me) do it as good, or better than them. They all sound the same too. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 18:15
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I really liked DEP's s/t EP and the follow-up Calculating Infinity. I enjoyed the Irony EP because I like Mike Patton, but I felt the music taking a direction I didn't like... ...to enjoy Miss Machine, I have to think of them as a different band  I miss the stuff they did on CI...------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 18:19
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I think that Calculating Infinity is their best album in terms of creativity and focus. I would rate it 4 stars and mention in the review that it's an acquired taste ... steer clear if you don't like genres with the word "core" in them. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 18:30
Meh, aside from hardcore, which Calculating Infinity wasn't, there
weren't any other -core genres at the time... and -core sounds
nothing like CI and everything like Miss Machine 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 18:56
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Mathcore? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: moonlapse
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 19:01
 DEP is terrible |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 19:33
| I'm pretty sure it was always called hardcore before people started putting "core" on the end of everything else. The vocals are straight up hardcore most of the time, anyway... |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 14 2006 at 00:42
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Only one question, this band was added by Solids2k, how can a newbie who has posted 31 times since he joined 6 months ago add bands??? Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: January 14 2006 at 01:03
They were added when anyone could add a band, although I do think they deserve to be here. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: January 14 2006 at 07:33
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The music is fascinating, but the shouting vocals make it
hard to take for more than ten minutes...I agree a little variation there would make it very enjoyable...but it's like always on the same level. I guess I'm just not that pissed off at life or something... |
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 14:02
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wow. people like royal jelly really piss me off. opeth also has
screaming vocals, that doesnt mean it is only for angsty teens. im sick
of metal being disregarded as a genre for troubled adolescents.
dillinger escape plan is an awesome band.
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Posted By: Solids2k
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 14:25
Why are you so quick to assume that a 'newbie' to these message boards is a newbie to progressive music and should not possess the ability to contribute to this fantastic database of music? What I find as strikingly amusing is the fact that you value one's post count in such a high regard that it should influence that privilege to add bands. High post counts or registration dates should not be weights used to swing the integrity of a user's band addition to progarchives.com. I'm unsure as to whether your post insinuates that the amendment displays an unworthy addition by a 'naive' progarchives member, but assuming it is I can only stress that I too, feel that The Dillinger Escape is amongst the few truly progressive bands nowadays in the sense that they don't dwell on prog of the past but take the growingly popular 'metal' and 'hardcore' genres of today to experimental and complex heights, all-the-while making nods to jazz-fusion and prog rock. Do not make the mistake that I do not appreciate or love progressive music of the past, because I do, but acts like The Dillinger Escape Plan is to progressive music fans like myself as King Crimson may have been to our dads. Like DEP or not, hopefully you can at the least acknowledge that. edit: I gather that Ivan was thrown for a loop by the fact that newer users don't possess the ability to add bands and was surprised that I could. My realization essentially makes this post null. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 16:55
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Posted By: moonlapse
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 17:04
Easy now...nobody here said metal was only for troubled teens. I love Opeth and their vocals, in fact they are my favourite band, but I also find DEP's vocals totally annoying. |
Posted By: xjester
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 20:13
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Amen Brother!! I saw them live on the gigantour (Dream Theater, Megadeth, Nevermore, Symphony X) and they blew. |
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 23:08
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i guess theyre bad if youre into cheesy garbage like dream theater
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 23:10
Oh man... Talk about a BAD LIVE BAND! I was at the Boston date when the guitarist flew into the drumset and broke his arm! Its good that their tour ended there! Anyways, I thought Megadeth was also very bad live. The whole band sucked. |
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 23:44
they have much more live energy than dream theater, 40 minutes of john petrucci staring at his strings  DEP > DT -------------
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 23:57
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I think performance quality overrules energy. John Myung is a fricking statue the entire set, but I never get bored watching him play. DEP has a ton of followers in the hardcore scenes, and those seem to be the fans that they gear their live show towards, though they usually bring along a lot more interesting group of bands on tour with them. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Posted By: Nyko
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 14:05
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I saw Dillinger at Gigantour also... it was atrocious. I am glad they
only got 30 minutes but it seemed like so much longer. They were loud,
incoherent, and metalcore. I can't stand anything-core. Dream Theater
was awesome, despite their lack of emotion or movement, and LaBrie
actually made up for some of that (I am one of the people who likes
LaBrie... most of the time.) Megadeth's instrumental aspect was good,
the vocals were... Dave. Anyway, DEP was the worst band their to me,
and I can't stand Fear Factory or anyone other than Nevermore, Symphony
X (Who couldn't show up at my show ),
DT, and MD. DEP is better in studio than live, but still bad to me in
studio, as I don't like all of the shouting and "half-growling" (unlike
Opeth's full deep growl) that would make me think of an angry teen,
despite who they would market it toward, or who they are their fans are.
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 14:07
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Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 14:25
Dillenger Escape had nothing but contempt for the audience. The screamer (I have trouble calling him a vocalist) threw a bottle of water at the sound technicians in the back and ended up hitting the sound board. The technicians promptly walked his ass on stage during their set and apparently bitched the guy out. It's funny how the venue wouldn't let the fans take bottles into the arena for that very reason. Moreover, 30 minutes of slinging your guitar around like a gorilla is quite tired and played out. It only serves the purpose to distract (although not very well) the audience from having to simply listen to their well-executed noise. Any interesting parts the band played during any song was quickly ruined by more random crap and nonsensical screaming. Telling the audience "you need to grow up and get out of your parents basements" didn't really do much to raise my opinion of them either. I was actually looking forward to seeing them since I never bothered to listen to their studio albums. Even Bobaflex was more interesting. ------------- ARTEMIA - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic" rel="nofollow - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic L.i.E. - http://www.reverbnati |
Posted By: xjester
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 15:23
HAHAHA! bobaflex was gay as hell! and as for DEP, i have to agree with the statement that was made earlier. I wouldmuch rather see people who dont move much than see idots who can barely play their instruments jump around like morons. Beleive it or not, the guitarist (wearing short shorts) was juping around, and hit the guy with a mic ( i guess youd call him a vocalist...) in the back of the head!! |
Posted By: moonlapse
Date Posted: January 16 2006 at 21:19
Yeah it's good their tour ended there, they didn't make it to Toronto for Gigantour lol. Dream Theater was great in the Toronto show. As for Petrucci staring at his strings, well it's not like he's playing 3 chords. I got there too late for Symphony X though man I would have loved to see them live! |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 01:42
Now, they may jump around like morons, but they are very talented musicians. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 09:31
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Posted By: paradigm
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 14:01
| dep are much better than opeth |
Posted By: gushyguts
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 15:31
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...I think I hear an Anal c**t song coming on. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 15:35
They surely didn't belong there. They were a Hardcore band in a middle of a Metal concert. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 15:39
Yes they are, but they still suck live. I don't like my musicians to jump around and act like a bunch of monkeys. |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 17:35
Neither do I. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Posted By: SlipperFink
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 18:50
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These kids can play their instruments.
You don't gotta dig them compositionally... You don't gotta embrace their image, attitude, politics, stage conduct and general tom-foolery... But if you cannot see that DEP have a VERY firm grasp as far as technical execution on one's instrument is concerned..... You're an idiot. Period. They did the work. In short... they stayed home and practiced while other kids went to parties. Get over it. If yer gonna hate them.... Hate them for something even remotely valid. SM. ------------- Modesty is an ornament, but one goes further without it. Old German Proverb |
Posted By: Mikeypoo
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 21:46
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this forums getting a little out of control! edit: ps technical execution should NOT be the only requirement that gets a band classified as "progressive" i know of some EXTREMELY talented musicians who are not by any stretch prog. If technical ability is all that gets a band on the prog bus... then i dont believe they should have the honor of calling themselves "prog". (and no im not saying the DEP doesnt combine some weird time sig.s or anything like that... but come on) ill save any other anti-DEP thoughts for another forum and try to stay passive. |
...Posted By: xjester
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 22:07
This is the kinda guy we need to be listening to. |
Posted By: Mikeypoo
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 22:20
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thanks man! i try my best... |
Posted By: moonlapse
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 23:03
well said mikey 
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Posted By: Nyko
Date Posted: January 17 2006 at 23:55
I understand what you are meaning by that, but it is a bit ridiculous. If I can't stand metalcore then I would most likeyl find many metalcore acts to be atrocious. "Atrocious", being a very opinionative and subjective words, could be applied to anything that is bad to me, despite any variables, circumstances, prenotions, or genre classification. On to what I think you meant. I have a bandmate that likes a lot of metalcore, so I hear a lot more of it than I would like to. Having that said, it isn't as good as some of the metalcore I have listened to that had some merit. I think DEP may be technical talented SOMEWHAT, but without ways to apply that correctly it doesn't mean very much. Hats off to them for learning their instruments better than many core bands, but they aren't really much better in the way of music. The music I listen must have melody, no matter how hard it is, and DEP seems to ignore that for energy. The show was terrible in ways of showmanship. Although going out on a limb to be entertaining is good in most cases, as not to stand their playing in a boring fashion (Dream Theater and Opeth, bands that I like), they sacrificed the musical quality, proving to be even worse than what I have heard from studio. I wouldn't care so much if this band did not leave such a negative impression on me and then I go to see it winding up in the archives. No, I am not fighting to have them removed or anything like that, it doesn't bother me, I just saw the chance to voice my opinion on that. I feel so much more art in Opeth's music, and that is a key quality to me, something that I look for (although it can transcend into pretentiousness.) I do not, however, like the direction that Opeth is heading, but even if they continued in this path, sold-out, cut their hair and hooked up with bob rock, I would take them over DEP. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 04:00
On the other hand, I don't know what you mean by applying technical skill correctly. After all, hardcore is meant to be chaotic and dissonant, as of course you know  . What I do think is that DEP's music is far more full of interesting ideas than any of the "big names" in hardcore (I may be a little out of date since I really haven't listened to any new hardcore for a couple of years now EDIT: this is not true! I have in fact been listenening to A Textbook Tragedy lately (awful name, I know!) and they've definitely got something good going on. Not in the same way as DEP, but probably more stomachable since they go into less intense bits that last a bit longer than a few seconds  ). What bands like Converge try to do, DEP were already doing 
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: January 18 2006 at 04:07
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Goose, it's the first time I've seen you get emotional about a band Goose is a DEP fanboy, Goose is a DEP fanboy, Goose is... sorry Ahem. I think Slipperfink's summed it all up well - you don't have to like their image etc. but they sure know their way around the instruments. Especially Chris Pennie, the drummer and nut And that metal versus hxc thing is in my "Most ridiculous" top 20. |
Posted By: Mikeypoo
Date Posted: January 19 2006 at 20:21
Ahem. I think Slipperfink's summed it all up well - you don't have to like their image etc. but they sure know their way around the instruments. Especially Chris Pennie, the drummer and nut . I really enjoy them for the most part.
Ill say it again... Great instrumentation should not be a freebie into the prog arena. Enjoy the (wince) music if you like it im not in any way telling you you're stupid for listening to it because i myself do listen to and like some bands that are classified as hard-core. However, as much as you or I may like a band, i do not feel they should be considered progressive just based on the fact that they use weird time signitures and play technically. It should be based on the music as a whole, not just one aspect of it. thanks for hearing me out, mike |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 19 2006 at 21:05
. I'm sure I've said equally happy things about Kayo Dot or King Crimson in the past, and thought them about TMV and Soft Machine, Fantomas, Cynic and Gentle Giant among others (just couldn't bring myself to write it, I guess )
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Posted By: chromaticism
Date Posted: January 30 2006 at 15:47
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DEP is ridiculously too technical to my ears that the music has a character of rattling nails inside a can. Their music appears to sound too random and incoherent like it was composed just for the sake of having odd meters, polyrhythms, and shred guitar. I can't even understand what the vocalist is rambling about. |