Pseudo Prog (poll)
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Topic: Pseudo Prog (poll)
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Pseudo Prog (poll)
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 17:24
Four bands I personaly have trouble calling progressive they best fit the description of Pseudo Prog for me. So which one do you prefer ? 
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Posted By: Tholomyes
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 17:36
TMV pseudo prog????????????????? 
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Posted By: silentman
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 17:39
You are 39 years old you and you still behave like a child.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cichyczlowiek/?chartstyle=SilverWeekly"> 
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s1ipp3ry wrote:Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 17:44
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 17:48
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I voted for Radiohead... but have you listened to the early Porcupine Tree albums??? Absolutely prog.... ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 17:49
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 17:55
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All of those bands are undoubtedly prog. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: silentman
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 18:09
 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cichyczlowiek/?chartstyle=SilverWeekly">
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Posted By: Gentle Tull
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 18:13
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The Mars Volta are the best. They are DEFFINITLY prog though. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 18:35
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Posted By: cucacola54
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 18:48
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I love them all, but i voted TMV, followd by Tool by an inch... anyway the only band from that list that i dont consider Prog is Radiohead... but i love them ------------- Most listened albums last week 
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 18:59
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I find them all prog in their own way |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 19:30
| PORCUPINE TREE!!! |
Posted By: urris
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 19:59
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hate radiohead
urris |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 20:13
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Why aren't these bands Prog? Please state your reason, person with a weird name.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 20:20
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 21:13
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They're all absolutely prog(except maybe Radiohead I voted TMV, I like them a little more than PT Can't stand Tool and Radiohead ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 21:32
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I like PT best, but think that TMV is the most truly "prog" of the four. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 21:36
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Porcupine Tree for me. Big Steven Wilson fan, a throwback to
'old school' prog leaders like Fripp. Great voice as well, his
singing is what caught my attention when I first heard In
Absentia.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: January 10 2006 at 22:00
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Psuedo Prog |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 11 2006 at 09:23
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Posted By: Octamarium
Date Posted: January 11 2006 at 10:57
Absolutely Porcupine tree!!!I think their In absentia is one of the most exciting album of the last 10 years!!!I don't like too much Tool and Radiohead.......and I hate Tha mars volta ------------- Look in the mirror...my friend! |
Posted By: erlenst
Date Posted: January 11 2006 at 11:44
Ok, then, but can you please explain why you desperately need to have a completely different definition of 'progressive' than the rest of the world ? |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: January 11 2006 at 21:25
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I find the Mars Volta pretty progressive...Radiohead not that much...neither Tool. Still my vote goes for radiohead ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 11 2006 at 21:27
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 11 2006 at 21:53
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I believe those four bands match your description: synergy, combined talent, focus, etc. Maybe they don't sound like the older bands, but that is a good thing. They are all doing something creative and unique. Prog isn't a sound either (regarding your first sentence); prog is more a state of being. Example: Tool may have a sound that fits comfortably into the modern alt-rock/metal scene, but they are clearly at a higher level of skill, composition, songwriting, etc., and there is no doubt that they are careful and focused. After all, they take four or five years to put out one record, because they make it perfect, to the slightest details. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: January 11 2006 at 23:30
yeah i'm sure they are all prog in their own rights...explain yourself? anyways i voted for the mars volta before i saw the opener-comment...i shouldn't have voted, for none of these bands are "pseudo-prog"...but hey... ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: January 11 2006 at 23:32
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Porcupine Tree- easy choice from that list ------------- |
Posted By: Harold Dupont
Date Posted: January 12 2006 at 00:37
| To me it's clear: Mars Volta and Porcupine Tree are two really good and innovative prog bands. Radiohead is also very good and original, but their songs nerver go over 6 minutes. They don't give them the chance to explore enough, in my opinion. And I really don't like Tool, and I don't even consider them prog. I think they sound more like hard-rock alternative... |
Posted By: Oxygen Waster
Date Posted: January 12 2006 at 01:37
.....All Those bands are quite progressive in my opinion
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: January 12 2006 at 13:00
why?? ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: January 12 2006 at 13:23
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The Tree for me!!!!
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: January 12 2006 at 13:40
"Alternative" is just another name for "prog", in my opinion. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Zweck
Date Posted: January 12 2006 at 13:47
| No bands are progressive. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 12 2006 at 14:05
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The only one of those four I'm not so keen on is Radiohead (although Amnesiac and Kid A are pretty good) and I'd describe all of them as progressive. TMV are my curent favourites off that list. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 03:50
Radiohead is pseudo-experimental brit-pop band,IMHO.They've done almost everything that Floyd did back in 1967(just using all that modern stuff & sound).TOOL is AWESOME PROG!!! Look at the way they're doing their misuc,you'll understand...I saw some reviews on Lateralus where the Magic Structure of the album had been described...quite prog trick 
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Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 04:56
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^mmm, still, even with all this "behind the scenes" talk about Tool, they still sound like an Alt/Metal type band to me. There's nothing wrong with that and I quite like them but they have never sounded as unquie to me as they do to some others. I also quite like TMV & Porcupine Tree but... If by some cruel freak these four bands were involved in a plane crash and only one could survive then I hope it would be Radiohead  ------------- http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/contentChapterView.asp?chapter=309" rel="nofollow - Humanism |
Posted By: Nazgul
Date Posted: January 13 2006 at 05:29
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They prog.... they aren't .....what's the point? I'm borred about that kind discussions. Go to the walk or something it's more advantage |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 14 2006 at 08:25
Such unsubtle comments are uncalled for, the guy has his opinions about these things. You don't have to agree, but instead of being bloody rude, you could indicate the error of his ways and provide some explanation. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 14 2006 at 10:55
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What is "prog?" Of those, I really enjoy "Lightbulb Sun," so PT (though I find most of their stuff too depressing/boring). I find Tool and TMV very irritating/painful, and Radiohead haven't really grabbed me yet. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: January 14 2006 at 12:41
With the exception of discussions about the inclusion of such groups like Triumph and Muse, I think that debates about who is more or less prog are inocuous. I know, this is a prog website, but the fact that a band doesn't fit in the prog definition (which is a subgenre of rock'n'roll - we cant' forget it) doesn't mean that this band is awfull or minor. This kind of apreciation is tipical of some prog lovers, which has generated a forum about the pedantism atributed to us. This said, I must say that I don't consider any contemporary band as being prog, because this genre is dead. We can observe elements of it in a large amount of groups (e.g. in the self-described "prog metal"), but the prog rock movement per se is over. The undergound movement that try to ressurrect it create a lot of good music, but to call it prog is very delicate. Groups like Finisterre fits very well in the italian prog category, but what they made is just the classic italian prog sound, without adding anything new. Other bands, like Thinking Plague, try to create a different perspective of pop music, but if all groups that try to do this should be called prog, we will just to extend the definition of this subgenre to an extension larger than jazz. This is a very controversial topic, and I know I'll receive a lot of stones. But my main idea is: we don't need to commit suicide if a group that we like isn't prog. Prog isn't everything in the world of music; there is a lot of other musical genres as good as it, although different. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 14 2006 at 14:39
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 14 2006 at 15:21
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Prog isn't dead. Many current bands are doing the same thing that the prog bands of the 70s did - trying to make more sophisticated music than the usual mainstream bands. Many of these bands are firmly rooted in Rock, others in Metal ... and I don't understand why these bands should be treated differently than those of the past. And because the situation today is much different from that of the 70s, of course the music of these new prog bands differs from the classic bands. Some modern bands are trying to revive the 70s and sound very similar to them (Wobbler), others slightly moedrnized the sound (TFK, DB, Echolyn). And then some are rooted in genres derived from Rock music which didn't exist back then, such as modern metal, alternative rock or modern electronic. And these bands are causing the problem. They sound very different to the old bands, yet they apply the same principles and their base genres are related to rock - with the exception of electronic, which is (and always has been) an exception. The bottom line: There's plenty of prog today, but you'll only recognize it if you have the same kind of open mind that the prog fans had in the 70s. Simply applying the criteria of the 70s won't work, and doesn't do justice to the spirit of prog. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to: 
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Posted By: Black Mog
Date Posted: January 14 2006 at 15:48
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humm... i think someone dont read the title topic of this pool... The pool concern the band YOU like the best and not the band that is the most progressive... so i think people should vote in this way. ------------- 2 Rights make 1 Wrong 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: January 14 2006 at 15:54
I won't vote here, because I don't agree with the initial assumption that these bands are just "Pseudo Prog". Instead I'm participating in the debate about the progressiveness of these bands. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa/aoty-2024/vote" rel="nofollow - 2024 Release Poll Listened to:
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 15 2006 at 09:11
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Is prog dead ? the answer to this is yes and no , I`ll explain ... true meaning of progressive rock is to push boundaries, its to take the music to a place no man (or woman) has gone before (just like star trek) since it was already done in the late 60`s and early 70`s everything that come after that isn`t true to the word prog rock (by definition) However Prog has evolved taken on many new styles since then and in its own way has managed to salvage its name (progressive rock), but there has been nothing come along as ground breaking as the first generation prog was .. no way ! In referencee to my poll ... I consider each of the bands I mentioned as great bands no question about it, however to my understanding of musical evolution alternative rock is closely related to punk and thats what tried to kill progressive rock off in the first place ... I find it ironic that bands that lend themselves to such alternative musical trates (as the bands mentioned in the poll clearly do) are amongst some of the most popular prog bands around these days (theres a parasite at the moment in progs DNA) ... to be honest it concernss me and if we don`t watch it punk just may have the last laugh I have no regrets in starting this poll , I love progressive rock and I get the feeling most of you people do also Prog on ! |