Gilmour vs Fripp
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Topic: Gilmour vs Fripp
Posted By: Page to Squire
Subject: Gilmour vs Fripp
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 06:39
This is not a Crimson vs Floyd poll! Going individual skill i think it's a very close call.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 06:41
WILL NOT CHOOSE!
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 06:41
My vote goes to Gilmour pagey!
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 06:43
Love em both but have to vote for Fripp
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Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 06:43
Ricochet wrote:
WILL NOT CHOOSE! |
Me neither
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 07:10
Gilmour for me. I find Fripp's playing a bit too noodly for my liking.
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Posted By: Page to Squire
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 07:18
Forgotten Son wrote:
Gilmour for me. I find Fripp's playing a bit too noodly for my liking. |
Thats true but he does things with his guitar that no one else does
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 08:02
I simply cant understand how it is that Gilmour has so many fans...I mean he is good an all...but he has done always the same thing...bluesy space solos...not anything else, while Fripp has done...everything! Well, but its a personal choice...my vote goes for Fripp...without a doubt!
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Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 08:05
I voted for Mr. Fripp!!!
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 08:12
Fripp, any day of the year
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 09:48
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 10:53
Fripp - it's almost a total no brainer.
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 11:17
el böthy wrote:
I simply cant understand how it is
that Gilmour has so many fans...I mean he is good an all...but he has
done always the same thing...bluesy space solos...not anything else,
while Fripp has done...everything! Well, but its a personal choice...my
vote goes for Fripp...without a doubt! |
I can't deny that Fripp is a more diverse soloist, but Gilmour's
phrasing is so good. His solos may all fit into one genre but he hardly
ever repeats himself. Money sounds very different from Time which
dounds very different from Dogs which sounds very different to Coming
Back to Life etc, that's is where Gilmour's diversity comes from.
He's also far more accessible and less experimental than Fripp which is
probably another reason why he has more fans. I myself don't "get" much
of Fripp's guitar work.
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Posted By: Ridge
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 11:43
Both are great guitarist no doubt about it, but for me it's definitely Mr. Fripp.
I would also dare to say that he is highly more influential on other guitarists than Guilmor, this based on reading countless issues of several guitar magazines. Anyways love them both.
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Posted By: Tholomyes
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 11:46
sularetal wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
WILL NOT CHOOSE! |
Me neither
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the same.
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Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 11:49
Ridge wrote:
I would also dare to say that he is highly more influential on other guitarists than Guilmor |
You're dead wrong their. Fripp's Influence is actually quite minimal. I
could probably count Fripp influenced guitarists that actually sound
something like him using only my fingers. Gilmour's list of significant
Influences is considerably longer:
Rothery
Latimer
Belew
DeGarmo
Barrett
Josh
Lucassen
Petrucci
Wilson
To name just a few.
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Posted By: ElwoodHerring
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 11:56
I won't choose either. They are too different but both essential in my book.
Did anyone see Gilmour in "Three Men in a Boat" on BBC2 last week? A chance to have a look around his houseboat studio was too good to miss. Luckily I caught it almost by accident and taped it.
I think people also tend to overlook Gilmour's singing voice, which for his age is still phenomenal. Not many 60 year old men can span three octaves and still sound totally in control. (In the programme, he played part of a track he was working on, and Rory McGrath said "Who's that girl singing?" to which Gilmour said "It's me, actually!")
As for Bob Fripp, well, he's simply a genius. A true musical entrepreneur and pioneer; he's everything I want to be.
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Posted By: EL OSO
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 12:22
el böthy wrote:
I simply cant understand how it is that Gilmour has so many fans...I mean he is good an all...but he has done always the same thing...bluesy space solos...not anything else, while Fripp has done...everything! Well, but its a personal choice...my vote goes for Fripp...without a doubt! |
I totally agree. |
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 13:50
EL OSO wrote:
el böthy wrote:
I simply cant understand how it is that Gilmour has so many fans...I mean he is good an all...but he has done always the same thing...bluesy space solos...not anything else, while Fripp has done...everything! Well, but its a personal choice...my vote goes for Fripp...without a doubt! |
I totally agree. |
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I totally disagree
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Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 14:24
Winter Wine wrote:
EL OSO wrote:
el böthy wrote:
I simply cant understand how it is that Gilmour has so many fans...I mean he is good an all...but he has done always the same thing...bluesy space solos...not anything else, while Fripp has done...everything! Well, but its a personal choice...my vote goes for Fripp...without a doubt! |
I totally agree. |
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I totally disagree |
I totally agree to disagree...
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Posted By: romanm
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 14:33
I love both styles but technically Fripp is better by far, in different ways they have a lot of feeling and creativity
Technic: Fripp
Feeling: Both
Creativity: Both
Fripp 3 Gilmour 2
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Posted By: Harold Dupont
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 14:42
I actually can't believe I jst voted for Fripp, cuz I'm a really big Gilmour fan, he got me involved into music and Shine on, Time and all Animals guitars are amazing!!! I also love King Crimson, but way less than Pink Floyd. I had to consider the work of those two and realized that Gilmour without Waters wasn't even close to Fripp when he's alone. When I compare Division Bell to The Power to believe, which are two albums that aren't one man show but close to this, I see that Fripp goes further with his guitar. But in their entire career, I think that they're both the greatest prog guitarists, with Squire, and that Gilmour was impressive in a lot of albums. Long life to Pink Floyd
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Posted By: pale moon
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 14:45
David Gilmour can make you cry by playing just one note.
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Posted By: dralan
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 14:50
pale moon wrote:
David Gilmour can make you cry by playing just one note. |
Exactly. I love both guitarists, but I have to go with Gilmour on this one. Fripps playing is almost anti-emotional sometimes, like a mathematical approach to playing. I love the way Gilmour can incorporate his playing into space rock/prog and retain his blues roots while never sacrificing feeling.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 15:12
I personally pick Fripp over Gilmour
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Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 16:13
Fripp is a true legend and innovator. His style might not be the warmest, but he's definitely in a league of his own. Gilmour is good, but more of an ordinary guitarist. I don't find that his style makes him stand out like with Fripp. You can hear Fripp and instantly identify him.
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Posted By: NecroManiac
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 16:18
Tholomyes wrote:
sularetal wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
WILL NOT CHOOSE! |
Me neither
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the same. |
Ditto
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 16:21
romanm wrote:
I love both styles but technically Fripp is better by far, in different ways they have a lot of feeling and creativity
Technic: Fripp
Feeling: Both
Creativity: Both
Fripp 3 Gilmour 2
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For technicality it is by FAR David Gilmour, he's the worlds biggest GENIUS when it comes to effects, and the way he can manipulate a chord until it is almost unrecognisable!!!!! the man is a genius on all levels! Not to mention you can really FEEL his playing, there is more emotion, more heart, more times in Floyd's music when you know Gilmour is about to do something special, something that always fills the listener with emotion, this happens less in crimsons music. (love the Fripp man though). Gilmour is more than just a guitarist.
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Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 16:28
I enjoy Gilmour to a point. After WYWH, it all sounds samey to me. However, Fripp has always sounded fresh to my ears. I'm going with Fripp.
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Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 16:52
dralan wrote:
pale moon wrote:
David Gilmour can make you cry by playing just one note. |
Exactly. I love both guitarists, but I have to go with Gilmour on this one. Fripps playing is almost anti-emotional sometimes, like a mathematical approach to playing.
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David for me, but I would say he is actually more "mathematical" and even robotic in his playing since he never really plays a "random" note. Ever listened to him live? His solo's are almost exactly the same, which can be boring for me sometimes. Fripp is the "King" of improvision and NEVER plays any solo the same. So when it comes to technicality Fripp is the deffinite winner. But when it comes to feeling and emotion, both have just as much, Gilmour is the best at playing with a sad feeling while Fripp is the best at playing with an angry feeling.
I just happen to be the person that preferes sadder solo's more than angry ones, but just barely though.
Gimour is more preferable by, but only by a hair.
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Posted By: moodyxadi
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 17:13
Gilmour touches my heart, what isn't something easy in music.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 06 2006 at 22:19
Dave Gilmour along with Steve Hackett the best, Fripp is overrated IMO.
Iván
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Posted By: Page to Squire
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 08:32
Gilmour is not repeatative he just plays with a familiar style, it makes the music seem like and old friend or something. Where as Fripps style is like meeting someone new everytime you hear a new song. Also Gilmours solos are more iconic, it's hard to recall a Fripp solo note for note, where as Gilmours become etched in your brain
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Posted By: Stargazer
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 18:45
Winter Wine wrote:
romanm wrote:
I love both styles but technically Fripp is better by far, in
different ways they have a lot of feeling and creativity
Technic: Fripp
Feeling: Both
Creativity: Both
Fripp 3 Gilmour 2
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For technicality it is by FAR David Gilmour, he's the worlds
biggest GENIUS when it comes to effects, and the way he can
manipulate a chord until it is almost unrecognisable!!!!! the man is a
genius on all levels! Not to mention you can really FEEL his
playing, there is more emotion, more heart, more times in Floyd's music
when you know Gilmour is about to do something special, something that
always fills the listener with emotion, this happens less in crimsons
music. (love the Fripp man though). Gilmour is more than just a
guitarist. |
You pretty much said it all right there. It doesn't really matter if
Gilmour has played every genre ever or not, he feels the music so much
more than so many other guitarists. Music isn't about mathematics or
experimenting for the sake of experimenting, it's for feeling
something, and for expressing yourself. Dave does a way better job at
that, if you ask me.
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Posted By: White Duck
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 21:46
Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: January 07 2006 at 22:03
Stargazer wrote:
Winter Wine wrote:
romanm wrote:
I love both styles but technically Fripp is better by far, in different ways they have a lot of feeling and creativity
Technic: Fripp
Feeling: Both
Creativity: Both
Fripp 3 Gilmour 2
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For technicality it is by FAR David Gilmour, he's the worlds biggest GENIUS when it comes to effects, and the way he can manipulate a chord until it is almost unrecognisable!!!!! the man is a genius on all levels! Not to mention you can really FEEL his playing, there is more emotion, more heart, more times in Floyd's music when you know Gilmour is about to do something special, something that always fills the listener with emotion, this happens less in crimsons music. (love the Fripp man though). Gilmour is more than just a guitarist.
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You pretty much said it all right there. It doesn't really matter if Gilmour has played every genre ever or not, he feels the music so much more than so many other guitarists. Music isn't about mathematics or experimenting for the sake of experimenting, it's for feeling something, and for expressing yourself. Dave does a way better job at that, if you ask me.
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I don't think Dave does a "way" better job of expressing himself on the guitar, Fripp expresses his anger and saddness very well. Listen to almost any Fripp solo and you can tell he has an angry attitude, he expresses himself very well, it just's a matter of tastes, neither is all that much better than the other, both are preety even to eachother if you ask me.
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from the heart
Its astart
What we need is awareness we cant get careless
Mental self defensive fitness
Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be
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Posted By: DaveBowman
Date Posted: January 08 2006 at 06:27
Being somewhat blinkered and old fashioned I prefer 'early' King Crimson, I could never quite get on with the music Fripp produced after 'Red' was released. Then he was fresh, brash and also very thoughtful. You had no idea exactly what he was going to do next which only heightened the experience. I know his output has been prolific since those halcyon days but I still find my self going back to the likes of 'Starless', 'Larks Tongues' etc. But that's only my own view.
Gilmore on the other hand has never ceased to amaze, stun or hurt me. Even now his music seems to find a level within me that nobody else seems quite able to reach. High or low, left or right it makes no difference.
Each a genius in his own right but Fripp assaults the senses, Gilmore overwhelms them.
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Posted By: kebjourman
Date Posted: January 26 2006 at 20:41
i think Gilmours skilled, but i really cant stand his style on alot of songs. i'd say fripp.
you all should listen to 'tremelo study in a minor' by giles giles and fripp.
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Posted By: Sammus_the_hutt
Date Posted: January 26 2006 at 22:21
gotta be frip, dudes. the guys an ideas machine!
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Posted By: Thufir Hawat
Date Posted: January 27 2006 at 00:08
Fripp is a lot better in his style and is music.
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: January 27 2006 at 00:16
Forgotten Son wrote:
Ridge wrote:
I would also dare to say that he is highly more influential on other guitarists than Guilmor |
You're dead wrong their. Fripp's Influence is actually quite minimal. I could probably count Fripp influenced guitarists that actually sound something like him using only my fingers. Gilmour's list of significant Influences is considerably longer:
Rothery Latimer Belew DeGarmo Barrett Josh Lucassen Petrucci Wilson
To name just a few.
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I don't hear the Gilmour influence in Belew, and I have listened to an extensive amount of material with Belew on it. I can definitely hear a Fripp influence in Belew, however, it makes sense that there is a Fripp-esque style with Belew, I mean he's played with the man for over 20 years.
But I will agree with the rest of that list you created, especially Steve Rothery and Arjen Lucassen.
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Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: January 27 2006 at 00:25
Fripp for me
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Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: January 27 2006 at 07:08
Gilfripp or Frilmour
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Posted By: daz2112
Date Posted: January 27 2006 at 11:46
Gilmour
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