"A trick of the tail" with Peter Gabriel
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Topic: "A trick of the tail" with Peter Gabriel
Posted By: Atkingani
Subject: "A trick of the tail" with Peter Gabriel
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 21:54
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I vote for Dance On A Volcano (but in fact I'd like to see PG singing all). ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:01
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All, Phil is a %#@&$ dwarf!
Jus' kiddin', but I seriously voted for that. |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:02
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None, Phil is superb! but if I had to pick it'd be "Robbery, assault & battery", Peter would have fun with that, similar to "Battle of Epping Forest" ------------- 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:03
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^Yea, I voted that too because I hate him I'd enjoy the album sooo much more if it was sung by Gabriel ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:10
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The thing you have to realize is how different the album would have been if
Gabriel was a part of it. He had a lot of input when it came to the bands musical output (maybe not always musically, but the band wrote around his lyrics) and the lyrics would have been different and more intricate. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: ThisWas
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:29
| i enjoy the album without gabriel on it, so i wouldnt want to change any songs |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:35
I agree. I wouldn't really want to hear a Gabriel-Genesis album without Gabriel's musical or lyrical input at all. Than it's not really a Gabriel-era album. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
ThisWas wrote:Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:39
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Lets remember something, Mad Man Moon and A Trick of the Tail were written by Gabriel and Banls for SEBTP, but didn't reached the album, of course the arrangements were altered to fit into Phil's voice. But if I had to choose one song that fit Peter perfectly it would be Dance in a Volcano, the rest of the album seems made for Phil. Now if you gave me W&W, there are at least 3 songs that would be much better with Gabriel; Eleventh Earl, One for the Vine and All in a Mouse Night. Iván
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 22:42
Well, he is around 5'6, so... ------------- I think PC did a great job on that album, So i voted "None- Phil is superb" ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Deliriumist
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 12:32
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I enjoy Phil's singing on all of the tracks. But if Peter would sing on one of the tracks I'd choose "Robbery, Assault & Battery". There's a lot of dialog and speech-like singing in the song and Peter's an expert in characterisations. I think it would come out something like "The Battle of Epping Forest". I think I'm copying NetsNJFan's words here  |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 12:38
I agree about the W&W... but I chose ATOTT since it was the first work after Gabriel's exit. I bought ATOTT in 1975 and at that time comparisons were unavoidable. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 12:43
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The music of ATotT, WW, and ATTW3 is perfect for Phil's voice. I wouldn't want anyone else singing on any of these albums...but if Pete had to sing one, he would probably be best served for "Robbery, Assault, and Battery", so I agree with Deliriumist. And as Ivan said, PG could also have sung "Eleventh Earl of Mar" (but at this point in PG's career, 1977, Phil sounded more like Peter than Peter did...his voice had lost its trademark raspiness) ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
Posted By: Deliriumist
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 12:54
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About Wind and Wuthering - I think it wouldn't have mattered very much wich one had sung on it. I never knew that it was Phil singing until I was told so. I even got into an argument about the singer as I was certain it was Peter. I'm glad I didn't make a bet on in it though. |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 13:02
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None - this album has Collins singing.
Over and out.It was the first album of Genesis that I heard. ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: herbie53
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 13:10
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This album is PERFECT!!! And Phil have a great participation on his development !!! The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is not so good, because... Peter Gabriel and his ideas out of Prog Rock !!! This album is Prog Rock because the absence of Mr. Gabriel !!!
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 15:41
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I voted 'none'. I don't see how this album could ever be topped- it's a perfect prog album to these ears that I wouldn't change anything about. Phil Collins did the impossible by replacing the seemingly irreplacable Gabriel. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 16:16
How come he gets no writing credit then? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 16:26
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I always dreamed of Peter Gabriel singing on Dance On A Vulcano...it would have been wonderful...
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 16:34
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I can't imagine Peter singing on this album. Somehow it seems to be good for Collins. |
Posted By: paulindigo
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 16:37
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Collins' vocals are perfect, even though two songs were co-written
by gabriel (are you sure about this point, ivan? I remember reading in Armando Gallo's books that banks had written atott many years before the recording, maybe even 6 or 7, and I don't remember any collaoration from gabriel - maybe it's just my memory, can you give more information on this topic? thanks!) |
Posted By: genesis24601
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 20:25
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hmmmm... I would have to say Dance on a Volcano, but otherwise the
album is great with Phil. ATOTT ,I think, was my true introduction to
prog (I don't the Alan Parsons Project count that much or Pink Floyd,
even though they are progressive)
------------- "It is impossible to achieve the aim without suffering." - Robert Fripp, from the title track of Exposure |
Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 20:40
The two songs were written during the Gabriel era, but not by Gabriel. I'm pretty sure that they were solely Banks compositions. In fact, Mad Man Moon was initiailly intended for a solo album by Banks, but was reworked for the entire band. The title track for AToTT was actually written well before the sessions for Selling England (before Phil joined the band,...I read somewhere that this song was developed sometime around 1970/71). ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 00:07
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Robbery, assault & battery but I thibk Phil Collins sung the album well so there is no need for Peter Gabriel in this album. ------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 03:24
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Excellent album as it is, the second best from Genesis and in my all-time top 10. Why change it?
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 08:29
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Phils voice is just fine on Trick. I dont think I'd want to change it. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 11:02
I agree, but as we're hypothesising, if there were one track that HAD to be sung by PG then I'd say "Dance on A Volcano", I think it's the song that would have suited his style most. (But, I still voted "None") |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 11:24
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Hard to say, as I think Collins sounded alot like Gabriel in those days, albeit a softer version. I can hear him singing 'Robbery Assault & Battery' actually, and really putting his all into the characters. I think he was better at that than Phil. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |