prog rock & church organ
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Topic: prog rock & church organ
Posted By: philippe
Subject: prog rock & church organ
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 12:05
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prog rock & church organ (or imitation) any suggestions?
Hugh Banton (VDGG)
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Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 12:14
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Yes - Close to the Edge! Didn't Rick Wakeman actually record it in a church? |
Posted By: Genesisprog
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 12:17
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Going for the one-Yes Alot of church organ sounds there ------------- Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all ! |
Posted By: Rainman
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 12:22
| Rick Wakeman 'The Six Wives Of Henry The Eighth' (1973.) |
Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 12:30
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Rick Wakeman, a smijin of pink floyd ------------- Prog is music for the mind Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 12:31
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The Three Fates....ELP The Only Way.......ELP Parallels................Yes Awaken...............Yes ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Catholic Flame
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 12:34
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Iron Butterfly's In-a-Gadda-da-Vida ------------- Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion. ~Jack Kerouac |
Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 12:49
yeah, check out the simpson's episode "bart sells his soul" if you can! this song will never be the same afterwards!!!!!!!!  ------------- progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false? |
Catholic Flame wrote:Posted By: goose
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 13:22
Muse - Megalomania
 Church organ? More like cathedral organ! 
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Posted By: Froth
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 13:28
| Much church organ on Gryphon's midnight mushrumps album |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 13:33
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The organ in Awaken (and Parallels) was played in a church and recorded down a telephone line! |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 14:17
| Glass Hammer - Shadowlands (ton of very loud church organ couple with some slide guitar histrionics for that all over Going for the One vibe) |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 14:18
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Opus III by Magenta, a Church Organ solo that gives me goosebumps. Rob Reed is an outstanding keyboardist. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 14:42
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Rick Wakeman - Judas Iscariot Par Lindh Project - The Cathedral
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 14:46
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At live gigs, Wakeman tells an amusing tale of how his producer ask a London church for permission to record the organ there. When asked how much it would cost, the reply was "no charge". Over half the album budget was however eventually spent on donations to the "Roof fund", the "restoration fund" etc. |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 15:36
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Rick Wakeman - Criminal Record - Judas Iscariot ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 16:14
You're mentining heavyweights. Iván -------------
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Posted By: CandyAppleRed
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 17:13
Candy Apple Red - "That Other Fear" 
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Posted By: MANTICORE
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 20:43
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Posted By: Mnemosyne
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 21:25
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many Edgar Froese works have church organ... Well, also with a huge variety of other keyboards... ------------- I'm a Man-Owl-Fish. Creator-Observer-Muse. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 22:58
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Sorry it's just a 30 seconds sampler, but will give you an idea: http://www.progrock.co.uk/samples/magenta/broken/opus3.mp3 - http://www.progrock.co.uk/samples/magenta/broken/opus3.mp3 Iván -------------
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Posted By: ulver982
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 00:42
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I know The Flower Kings have some songs with a church organ...can't think of any specifics right now. ------------- Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius. Silence is the music of the future. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 02:19
I like a lot of the tracks mentioned, especially the ones by ELP,Par Lindh and Magenta
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Posted By: samuel.jeronimo
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 05:39
In the garden of eden... ------------- http://www.jeronimosamuel.no.sapo.pt - SAMUEL JERONIMO |
Posted By: Publius
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 05:40
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Hamburger Concerto! ------------- I'm so prog, I clap in 9/8 |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 06:26
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On Chris Squire's "Fish Out Of Water" (what I have just been playing!)
a church organ is heard on "Hold Out Your Hand", played by Barry Rose,
sub-organist of St Paul's though whether it is the St Paul's organ I
don't know. On "Going for the One" Rick played a pipe organ in a church in Vevey (I think), the story goes that the sound was piped (sic) down the Swiss telephone lines to the studio, so good was the quality. He also used this organ on "Criminal Record". I don't have "Six Wives" to hand but the credits on it say in which church the pipe organ was recorded. I can't be sure, but I always assumed it was the same organ used on "Close to the Edge". Pipe organs are not easily transportable, not only their size - or at least some of them - but changes in temperature and humidity affect their sound. They need to be "voiced" (i.e. tuned) for their acoustic surroundings, usually of course a church. I believe though Rick Wakeman used a purpose built Mander pipe organ on stage from time to time. I don't play myself but have some interest as my Father was a church organist, and had a small pipe organ built in our house. As you can imagine, this was a talking point when visitors came. It was not a loud, thundering instrument but a subtle peice of work, with some delicate sounds. My Dad was a Fellow of one of the London music colleges (forgotten which) & was very much into getting the more delicate sounds out of the instrument. He died a couple of years back and my Mum donated the instrument to a London church, where it is used for the more delicate work, and choir practices. Although he never played "prog" he was into some of the more "prog-like" composers like Oliver Messian (may have mis-spelt that). His pet hate (and mine too as a choir boy) was when people asked for something totally unsuitable to be played on a pipe organ at their wedding ("Morning Has Broken" or "Three Times A Lady" spring to mind...) - usually he managed, tactfully, to dissuade them. Although he wasn't, some of his organ playing buddies were quite snobby about the instrument, which I thought was ridiculous, when you consider the pipe organ started out as a substitute for having an orchestra...sort of forerunner to the Mellotron/synth!! Sorry, I digress! |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 09:28
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Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 01:19
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Going For the one, Yes, Going for the one album. ------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
Posted By: lordoflight
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 07:11
| led zeppelin's no quarter in the song remains the same |
Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: October 23 2006 at 15:04
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My list of great church organs:
Jacula / Antonius Rex (lots of church organs) Par Lindh Project (lots of church organs) Yes - Close to the Edge, Parallels, Awaken Rick Wakeman - Jane Seymour, Judas Iscariot, Lax'x Gli Alluminogeni - Thrilling Emerson, Lake & Palmer - The Three Fates, The Hymn (Infinite Space) Refugee - Credo Trace - Final Trace, King-Bird Tritonus - Far in the Sky Styx - Little Fugue in D Minor, Father O.S.A., Hallelujah Chorus, I'm Okay Il Rovescio Della Medaglia - La Mia Musica, Cella 503, La Grande Fuga Glass Hammer - Run Lisette, Long and Long Ago Anglagard - Jordrok Ambrosia - Drink of Water Birth Control - Hoodoo Man The Trip - Corale, Analisi, L'Utima Ora E Ode a J. Hendrix Fireballet - Night on Bald Mountain Albatross - Devil's Strumpet Pell Mell - Toccata The Old Man & The Sea - Prelude Collegium Musicum - Piesne z Kolovratku, Eufonia Gerard - Keep a Memory Green Ars Nova - Android Domina And that's all "church organ in prog" I know in fact. -------------  
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 23 2006 at 16:23
Recently I've played ELP's Pictures At An Exhibition a few times and the church organ intro is goosebump stuff.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 23 2006 at 16:29
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skipping classics a bit, here's a moment of church organ recital I truly appreciate: Rick Wakeman's Lincoln Cathedral I think I said it in my review too, I gave the album to a friend of music, who plays the organ and has the music focus onto this point, and he pronounced over it as mature, nice, good structured. It's basically just the new age-like modern thematic (minimal) improvisations Rick usually does, but the organ atmopheres commences heavily and lifts up a notch...everything. ------------- 
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Posted By: baldy flapstick
Date Posted: October 23 2006 at 16:42
Yes that was hilarious! ------------- Here Comes The Supernatural Anaesthetist |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 24 2006 at 00:23
Also check out SBB keyboardist Jozef Skrzek's CDs Koncert Sweitokrzyski and Czas (organ + guest on Moog)! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Harkmark
Date Posted: October 24 2006 at 03:22
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Goblin! ("Profondo Rosso" and "Chi?- Part 2", there are most likely more songs) 
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: October 24 2006 at 03:45
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john paul jones of led zeppelin actually played organ at the church service in his adolescense, before taking on the studio recording musician activity. this is proved by the brilliant intro to Your Time is Gonna Come from the first album. his father also was a jazz piano player and composer, and this among others made him the main progressive influence in the band, especially since 1970 when he came back to keyboards for live experiments that will grow in time as a strong progressive component of the band's music. ------------- "PA's own GI Joe!" 
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Posted By: philhepple
Date Posted: October 25 2006 at 14:26
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Christopher North's pipe organ on Ambrosia's "Drink Of Water" is hands down the best use of a pipe organ! It is brilliantly played and recorded. It was recorded by Gordon Parry the chief classical recording engineer of DECCA records and then mixed by Alan Parsons. Talk about the hair standing up on the back of your neck! Just Incredible! |
Posted By: Paul Stump
Date Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:04
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Don't think the Close to the Edge source has ever been proven. Six Wives (ugh!) had some tapes recorded at St Giles Cripplegate in London. Wakeman also definitely recorded in Vevey and, yes, piped (sic) it down the phone for Going for the One and other stuff. Par Lindh also definitely. The rest; most of it is studio trickery. Am unsure about Emerson, though - it sounds real enough, but...
Hamburger Concerto (hurrah!) is definitely not pipe organ. A good, odd album is Keith Jarrett's Hymns/Spheres (ECM) which has a lot of pipe organ improvisation.
Would like to see more on this topic.
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 06:03
Indeed - and the same was true when Rick Wakeman recorded Criminal Record in the same time period at the same Swiss church. BTW, the organ on CTTE was a Mander pipe organ, a portable pipe-organ instrument that could be found in a church, but was not the case when recording CTTE.
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 16:07
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I find it thrilling when prog keyboardists use the church organ for special effect (e.g. the opening of Yes' PARALLELLS or the sudden appearance of a church organ in Refugee's CREDO), but these caped crusaders get on my nerves as soon as they attempt more extended pieces. For example, Rick Wakeman's noodling during JUDAS ISCARIOT and AWAKEN (accompanied by Jon Anderson's harp) is terribly irritating. There's simply not enough going on! Anyone familiar with the organ works of J.S. Bach or Buxtehude will know exactly what I mean. (Bach is THRILLING, you see, he rocks.) And that choir ah-ah-ing along on JUDAS ISCARIOT is a classic example of pure kitsch.
Surely it's no coincidence that prog virtuosos of impeccable taste such as David Sinclair, Dave Stewart and Kerry Minnear never use the church organ at all? |
Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 18:23
Hi Fuxi. I love the organ work of both of the great composers you mentioned, but I also enjoy the organ work on Awaken very much. So I don't know what you're talking about. Do you seriously believe that keyboardists should stay away from the pipe-organ unless they come up with better stuff than Bach?
 I just like the sound of the instrument too much for that. Even when it gets played by lesser gods like myself. Therefore I also like it's use in prog in general.
Nice thread, some other examples:
Marillion - She Chameleon
Flower Kings - Humanizzimo, Church Of Your Heart, The Truth Will Set You Free (samples)
Alan Parsons Project - Don't Let It Show
Yes - Vevey revisited (GFTO remaster bonus)
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 19 2006 at 23:19
Iván -------------
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: November 20 2006 at 01:21
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RDM - Contamination
Mercyful Fate - don't break the oath
Marillion - fugazi
Devil Doll - sacrilege...
i suspect on metheny's wichita falls the use of a church organ
arena - intro on crying for help 4? not sure though
roger waters - intro on it's a miracle? not sure though
vangelis - jerusalem ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: November 20 2006 at 03:59
Dear Sir, I can only admire your patience.
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Posted By: Moribund
Date Posted: November 20 2006 at 07:13
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Certainly Yes tracks mentioned, Rick Wakeman Tracks, Keith Emerson. The Focus track is La Cathedrale de Strasbourg from the Hamburger Concerto Album.
It is important to distinguish between a full blown Church organ and its much scaled-down offspring the positive Organ (I guess Wakeman's Mander is in this category). Same principle, far smaller and just about portable it has delicate flutey sounds (listen to Wakeman using it on Side 2 of Topographic Oceans) and also used occasionally by Kerry Minnear (Experience uses it I think) as well as the Regal, a similar instrument using reed pipes. Gryphon preobably used one of these two instruments.
Close to the Edge CERTAINLY uses a church organ (St. Giles, Cripplegate if it's the same as Wakeman used on Jane Seymour) but its clear the recording of this (which would have been made 'in situ') was switched on for their early live performance (see Yessongs) and played over by the band. ------------- New Progressive Rock Live show now touring UK theatres! www.masterpiecestheconcert.co.uk |
Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: November 20 2006 at 09:05
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Rescenlty I found another church organ-driven gem: Il Paese dei Balocchi - "Ritorno Alla Condizione Umana" (from "Il Paese dei Balocchi" album). -------------
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: November 20 2006 at 12:34
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I guess the right term shoul be acoustic organ, so that my list should be reduced to:
RDM - Contamination
Mercyful Fate - don't break the oath
Devil Doll - sacrilege...
vangelis - jerusalem ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |