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Topic: The worst prog epic ever written
Posted By: diga.stef
Subject: The worst prog epic ever written
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 07:41

What is the worst epic ever written in your opinion?

I say "Ghostship" by SHADOW GALLERY.



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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 07:44
Why all these "worst" threads? This is the worst one yet.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 07:45
 TRIUMIVIRAT      ""POMPEII""


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 07:49

I try not to concentrate on the negative.

In these kinds of threads you always inevitably upset someone.



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Posted By: Ekzodo
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 07:55
IN THE PROG GENRE, THIS IS THE WORST "EPIC": YES 90125






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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 08:06

Garden of Dreams by TFK.

Billed as a 60 minute rollicking prog epic, it is in fact about 20 short songs strung, spliced and segued together in a cackhanded fashion with a couple of cursory recurring themes to attempt to justify its "epic" status. 10/10 for initial ambition, 2/10 for effort, chaps.



Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 08:18
the one me and my band made its 8 minutes and its called the worst epic ever

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 08:22
 which cd is ''ghostship from by shadow gallery ???


Posted By: diga.stef
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 11:12

I don't think that talking about what is not liked upsets anybody. It's just expressing one's opinion.

There's good and bad everywhere, also in prog. We all have our own tastes!

Anyway, "Ghostship" is found in SHADOW GALLERY's "Carved in Stone" album. I think it's their first release but I'm not sure.

The song is divided into a number of tracks, maybe 7 or 8. The first 2 or 3 are good, but then it's minutes and minutes of effects, noises, silence (!!!) .... just terrible.

Ciao,



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Posted By: Shark Sandwich
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 13:31
Originally posted by diga.stef diga.stef wrote:

Anyway, "Ghostship" is found in SHADOW GALLERY's "Carved in Stone" album. I think it's their first release but I'm not sure.

The song is divided into a number of tracks, maybe 7 or 8. The first 2 or 3 are good, but then it's minutes and minutes of effects, noises, silence (!!!) .... just terrible.

Actually, 'Carved In Stone' is their second release,after the self-titled. I like 'Ghostship', sure it can be difficult to get into but there's so much about it that's awesome like the brilliant piano solo.Breathtaking!



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 13:36
Originally posted by diga.stef diga.stef wrote:

I don't think that talking about what is not liked upsets anybody. It's just expressing one's opinion.

 

When you are here longer you'll see that this type of thread invariably ends with bad feeling somewhere!



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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 13:37
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I try not to concentrate on the negative.

In these kinds of threads you always inevitable upset someone.

The thread-starting post actually did that!!



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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 13:39
Originally posted by diga.stef diga.stef wrote:

I don't think that talking about what is not liked upsets anybody. It's just expressing one's opinion.

There's good and bad everywhere, also in prog. We all have our own tastes!

Anyway, "Ghostship" is found in SHADOW GALLERY's "Carved in Stone" album. I think it's their first release but I'm not sure.

The song is divided into a number of tracks, maybe 7 or 8. The first 2 or 3 are good, but then it's minutes and minutes of effects, noises, silence (!!!) .... just terrible.

Ciao,

Please check the info 1st, then write, ok?



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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 13:59

You care to elaberat for us Ed

I dont particully like Close To The Edge, I just find it bland

*runs for cover from the Yes fans*



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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 14:04
Watch it... You can actually get burned for that kind of statement!

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Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 14:07
Any of the four interminable long tracks on MAGENTA's "Revolutions".


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 14:09
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

You care to elaberat for us Ed

I dont particully like Close To The Edge, I just find it bland

*runs for cover from the Yes fans*



Aaagh, heresy! Send for the Spanish Inquisition!


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 14:20
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

You care to elaberat for us Ed

I dont particully like Close To The Edge, I just find it bland

*runs for cover from the Yes fans*



Aaagh, heresy! Send for the Spanish Inquisition!

Send for the spellchecker too, while you're at it!



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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 14:27
WHERE IS THE POLL?


Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 16:09
Its been burned... By the inquisition!

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 21:12

Originally posted by ranger ranger wrote:

 TRIUMIVIRAT      ""POMPEII""

Just a point, there's no epic named Pompeii by Triumvirat, epic is a name for long songs (usually more than 15 minutes), as a fact there's not even a song named Pompeii by Triumvirat.

Pompeii is a conceptual album that has a 4 stars rating average in this site (Too high IMO) but not a bad album at all.

Iván



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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 21:26
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

You care to elaberat for us Ed

I dont particully like Close To The Edge, I just find it bland

*runs for cover from the Yes fans*



Aaagh, heresy! Send for the Spanish Inquisition!



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Posted By: An old fart
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 22:38
A barely audible whisper: "Cough! Actually... cough... I don't understand what's the fuss about Close to the Edge either"
>>>>> Runs for cover behind Sleeper, feeling brave, "now I've said it!".

Yeah, I know... The Dreadful Spanish Inquisition!
Anything, ANYTHING, but not with the pillows! I can't stand it!

Seriously, I think Close to the Edge is ok, but way overrated! Oops!
>>>>> Escapes from all the people hating anyone using THAT forbidden 9-letter word.

Not again! Not with the FEATHERS!

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 12:41
^oh great, your hidding behind me so who can I hide behind?

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Posted By: jdtrbn
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 13:21
The worst I can think now is Six degrees of inner turbulence by Dream Theater.

It's not that bad, though.


Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 13:46
Plauge of light-house keepers by VDGG, biggest load of pap Iv every heard, and these guys are one of the big & importent prog bands! This is suppose to be their magnus opus! You must be have'in me no!

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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 14:00
Hide behind me! Even the inquisition fear the dead!

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Posted By: ThrawnTheater
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 14:52

IN THE PROG GENRE, THIS IS THE WORST "EPIC": YES 90125

 

C'mon, it's not that bad.  It's not even prog!



Posted By: SlipperFink
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 15:33
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Originally posted by ranger ranger wrote:

 TRIUMIVIRAT      
""POMPEII""


Just a point, there's no epic named Pompeii by Triumvirat, epic is a
name for long songs (usually more than 15 minutes), as a fact there's not
even a song named Pompeii by Triumvirat.


Pompeii is a conceptual album that has a 4 stars rating average in this
site (Too high IMO) but not a bad album at all.


Iván



See.... That's the funny thing....

Ya gotta LISTEN to the records before ya run yer yapper about what's
wrong with them.

Otherwise... you show yourself up as a clueless zorch.

Anyhoo.

As much as it pains me to admit it.... In this isolated case.... Ivan the
Terrible is utterly correct about there not being any SONG named
"Pompeii" on this DISASTER of a record.

AND.... the longest track on this record.... if memory serves me.... Is
"Vesuvius 79ad", which as I have explained several times on this site is
actually quite impressive in several respects. Not least of which is the
bombastic drumming and riproaring keyboard work of Mssrs. Cress and
Fritz respectively. Ya just hafta wait for the ABOMINABLE vocals of Barry
"Bury my voice at wounded throat" Palmer to end. 45 seconds or so of
agonizing pain at the top of the track which I always used to just skip the
needle over.

Anyhoo. Sooner or later some of you people will actually take my advice...
listen to the aforementioned track.... and realize that I am a genius and
my recommendations here on ProgLibraryOfCongress are both
insuperable and omnicient. I will then direct your generous payments to
the Slipperian Church of Loomerology Fiduciary Fan-Hoovering
Foundation.

Once again:

In the meantime, borrow(don't BUY.... we don't want to ENCOURAGE
Triumvirat) a copy of this otherwise awful record and marvel at 79ad.

I will return later with more directives.

SM.

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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 15:37
Velvet Voyage is really boring and just not my cup of tea.

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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 15:44

CTTE

seriously- way too  over-hyped. Popular because its popular.

Medi-ocre musicianship- messy at times- repetitive lyrics- annoying vocals

Im sure there are worse but I cant stand CTTE



Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 18:07
A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers has soem good parts, but the whole thing seems to be very disjointed and crappily held together.

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Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 18:45
Originally posted by diga.stef diga.stef wrote:

What is the worst epic ever written in your opinion?

I say "Ghostship" by SHADOW GALLERY.

Are you insane? It's great!



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Posted By: Marc Baum
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 18:53
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

CTTE

seriously- way too  over-hyped. Popular because its popular.

Medi-ocre musicianship- messy at times- repetitive lyrics- annoying vocals

Im sure there are worse but I cant stand CTTE

 

 Where is the musicianship mediocre and messy? It's the pure excellence...if it's not your taste ok, but that doesn't mean at all it's "medi-ocre" or "messy at times", that's an stupid argument. Simply say "I can't stand it", that would be enough. Otherwise you'll deserve such reactions.



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Posted By: Dazo
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 19:42

The Wall - Pink Floyd.

 



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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 20:34
The Fountain of Lamenth commits the worst crime a prog band can commit: It's Boring!

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Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 20:49

Originally posted by Space Dimentia Space Dimentia wrote:

Plauge of light-house keepers by VDGG, biggest load of pap Iv every heard, and these guys are one of the big & importent prog bands! This is suppose to be their magnus opus! You must be have'in me no!

Agreed!



Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 20:55
Originally posted by Marc Baum Marc Baum wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

CTTE

seriously- way too  over-hyped. Popular because its popular.

Medi-ocre musicianship- messy at times- repetitive lyrics- annoying vocals

Im sure there are worse but I cant stand CTTE

 

 Where is the musicianship mediocre and messy? It's the pure excellence...if it's not your taste ok, but that doesn't mean at all it's "medi-ocre" or "messy at times", that's an stupid argument. Simply say "I can't stand it", that would be enough. Otherwise you'll deserve such reactions.

ok- saying the song is pure excellence is the same damn thing- explain why!



Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 21:08

I like Rush a lot, but...

"2112," and "Cygnus X-1" are average, NOT GREAT epics.

Rush can be superb at short to mid-length songs ("Xanadu" being an exception) but just can get the epics down IMO.



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Posted By: transend
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 22:29

Oddly, I agree with 'The wizard', Rush have always been one of my fave bands, I love most of their stuff, but 'The fountain of Lamneth' is really not that good.

Actually, I never thought DTs 'Change of seasons' was any good also, I love 'Six degrees..' by the way...we all have different tastes!



Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 03:25
Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by Marc Baum Marc Baum wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

CTTE

seriously- way too  over-hyped. Popular because its popular.

Medi-ocre musicianship- messy at times- repetitive lyrics- annoying vocals

Im sure there are worse but I cant stand CTTE

 

 Where is the musicianship mediocre and messy? It's the pure excellence...if it's not your taste ok, but that doesn't mean at all it's "medi-ocre" or "messy at times", that's an stupid argument. Simply say "I can't stand it", that would be enough. Otherwise you'll deserve such reactions.

ok- saying the song is pure excellence is the same damn thing- explain why!

Actually Drew I thought that the song was mainly filler with absolutely no point, would have made a great 10 minute song though



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Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 03:56
Originally posted by diga.stef diga.stef wrote:

I say "Ghostship" by SHADOW
GALLERY.



i heard that one and i think it's not too shabby – "the
queen of the city of ice" from their debut is FAR more
atrocious, even the title is awful

worst epic? i'd say GRENDEL. it tries to be "supper's
ready" so much that it hurts. oh, well, it's nice to hear
that even marillion, who i otherwise adore, had to
start somewhere...

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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 13:40
Not the worst, but Meshuggah's "Elastic" from their "Chaosphere" album is 15 minutes long and features 10 minutes with pure noise. The first 5 minutes of the song is very good though

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 14:33
Originally posted by iguana iguana wrote:

Originally posted by diga.stef diga.stef wrote:

I say "Ghostship" by SHADOW
GALLERY.



i heard that one and i think it's not too shabby – "the
queen of the city of ice" from their debut is FAR more
atrocious, even the title is awful

worst epic? i'd say GRENDEL. it tries to be "supper's
ready" so much that it hurts. oh, well, it's nice to hear
that even marillion, who i otherwise adore, had to
start somewhere...

The only thing the 2 somgs have in commen is that they are both about 20 minutes



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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 17:20

Definitely the epic tracks on tangerine dream's zeit & alpha centauri.

can's aumgn!

honourable mentions: VDGG : lighthouse keepers & a couples of tracks on YES' TFTO



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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 18:41
Arena did an epic called Siren's on their second disc that's poor!


Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 19:32

 

  for me it was side 2 of  Yes' TFTO

  It sounds like some left over thin ideas stretched out to contrive a side of music going absolutely nowhere until we get some relief on the 3rd side IMHO.



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Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: December 10 2005 at 23:47
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

Originally posted by Marc Baum Marc Baum wrote:

Originally posted by Drew Drew wrote:

CTTE

seriously- way too  over-hyped. Popular because its popular.

Medi-ocre musicianship- messy at times- repetitive lyrics- annoying vocals

Im sure there are worse but I cant stand CTTE

 

 Where is the musicianship mediocre and messy? It's the pure excellence...if it's not your taste ok, but that doesn't mean at all it's "medi-ocre" or "messy at times", that's an stupid argument. Simply say "I can't stand it", that would be enough. Otherwise you'll deserve such reactions.

ok- saying the song is pure excellence is the same damn thing- explain why!

Actually Drew I thought that the song was mainly filler with absolutely no point, would have made a great 10 minute song though

Wether the song is filler or not is not the point. A good song is one that makes you feel good, and with so many people including myself, I have felt emotions that few songs can make me feel, much less for 18 mins entirely. This song sometimes makes me want to cry for the absolute beauty and brilliance it has, I could care less if it means anything or not. Even if the song doesn't make me cry I am still in total bliss while listening because there is so much detail in it I can't help but feel euphoria from this song.

I'm not saying why you are wrong about it, I'm saying why I  like it, if you don't that is your fault and I'm not going to blame you or say that your wrong.

All of the "Overrated" threads are a disaster because you cannot tell someone their wrong if they don't feel what you feel so don't think my point of view is trying to tell you that you are wrong,

I know what you mean when everyone else loves a song, album or band and you don't. Genesis and the album Red are not as good to me as they are for many on this site.



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Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 01:15

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Why all these "worst" threads? This is the worst one yet.

I agree what's with all the "worst" stuf the worth song, the worst album I mean what is happening one this site?



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Posted By: Starette
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 03:19

Epic eh? Hmmm....epic, epic, epic....it depends what one would CALL an epic!

Meh...I'm not that fussed. In every epic there's always something good happening. Probably it's a mix between Aphrodite's Child 'All the seats were occupied' and some random one byt Ozric Tentacles called 'Feng Shui' or sommat...I dunno. but even THESE have their moments.



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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 05:19

Originally posted by iguana iguana wrote:



worst epic? i'd say GRENDEL.

I think Grendel is GREAT!! A clone of Suppers Ready? There's a few structural similarities but the subject matter and atmosphere are completely different.

My worst epic is A Plague of LIghthouse Keepers. If this is VDGG's epic it doesn't say a lot for the rest of their output.



Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: December 11 2005 at 18:12
Originally posted by Starette Starette wrote:

Epic eh? Hmmm....epic, epic, epic....it depends what one would CALL an epic!

Meh...I'm not that fussed. In every epic there's always something good happening. Probably it's a mix between Aphrodite's Child 'All the seats were occupied' and some random one byt Ozric Tentacles called 'Feng Shui' or sommat...I dunno. but even THESE have their moments.

how come you don't like feng shui?? it is a perfect techno-ambient track!Confused



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Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 06:29
just thought of another one – i find "mind drive" by
YES (on "keys to ascension II") totally disjointed and
hideously overrated. and downright boring! they were
obviously doing a "length for length's sake here" and
in result sounded like their own tribute band.
probably not a bad epic in itself, however by YES'
standard a very poor effort.

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Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 06:58

Greetings from Spain!

Just to keep our loved Inquisition away from you all, I'll attract their attention:

"A plague ... " by VDGG, although I admit they can have done even worse, although I couldn't listem to them awake...



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Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 07:28
If an Epic is a long, complex, symphony organized (with movements) song, the worst for me is "Karn Evil Nine" from ELP. Boring after 5 minutes, unnecessarily long, pretending to be something and being close to nothing at all. If there was to be only one good reason for the punks to have defecated on progressive music, that song would be it.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 08:06
 what cd is ""ghostship"" from by Shadow gallery??


Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 17:18
Hmmm....I wouldn't say 'Headlong' by IQ was necessarily bad- I love the beginning and end of it in fact, but it has one of the worst keyboard solos I've encountered- it sounds as if Martin Orford had really stumbled what he'd initially written and tried to cover up this fact, playing lots of notes that don't gel or cohere into a whole at all. Other than that, it's a solid song though.


Posted By: Starette
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 21:20
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

Originally posted by Starette Starette wrote:

Epic eh? Hmmm....epic, epic, epic....it depends what one would CALL an epic!

Meh...I'm not that fussed. In every epic there's always something good happening. Probably it's a mix between Aphrodite's Child 'All the seats were occupied' and some random one byt Ozric Tentacles called 'Feng Shui' or sommat...I dunno. but even THESE have their moments.

how come you don't like feng shui?? it is a perfect techno-ambient track!Confused

Well its a matter of opinion isnt it. As i said- it DOES have its moments. btw- its not like I don't hold YOUR opinion in high regerd Greenback! You were the first person to reccommend Marillion for me and, surprisingly, you wre absolutely right!



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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 12 2005 at 21:21

It's a hard question, because most bands put especial dedication and their best effort in their epics, mostly because epics are usually the base of an album, so it'sreally hard to fuind one so bad to call it the worst.

So I'll take the word worst as my least favorite even when it still has some good things:

Iron Butterfly's In a Gadda da Vida: Again, it's not bad, as a matter of facts starts promissing, even the somehow mysterious lirycs are interesting, but soon you find they are going in circles, simple variations and endless guitar solos over the same chord with the exact same bass and drums line.

As much as I like organ, this track is an excess, if lasted 50% would have been a masterpiece, tiresome and boring at some point at less you're smoking funny stuff or as Homer Simpson said "If you're having a good time in the back seat of your car" (Even when if you're young enough to have sex in your car, 20 minutes is normally too much time) 

Iván



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Posted By: geodude
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 16:53
The most overrated 'Epic' is by Faith No More. Simply because I don't know of another song by that name.


Posted By: geodude
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 16:58
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

It's a hard question, because most bands put especial dedication and their best effort in their epics, mostly because epics are usually the base of an album, so it'sreally hard to fuind one so bad to call it the worst.

So I'll take the word worst as my least favorite even when it still has some good things:

Iron Butterfly's In a Gadda da Vida: Again, it's not bad, as a matter of facts starts promissing, even the somehow mysterious lirycs are interesting, but soon you find they are going in circles, simple variations and endless guitar solos over the same chord with the exact same bass and drums line.

As much as I like organ, this track is an excess, if lasted 50% would have been a masterpiece, tiresome and boring at some point at less you're smoking funny stuff or as Homer Simpson said "If you're having a good time in the back seat of your car" (Even when if you're young enough to have sex in your car, 20 minutes is normally too much time) 

Iván

Hey Ivan. I'm going to see Musical Box do The Lamb for the second time. Yahoo, yah beauty.

It's the 'final' Lamb tour so don't miss it if you're a millionaire.

The venue is bigger than the last one- very big, in fact- Glasgow SECC.

They must be doing something right.

Love the pic btw.



Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 17:01
GIANT HOGWEED-GENESIS


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 17:11
Originally posted by Marc Baum Marc Baum wrote:

Originally posted by diga.stef diga.stef wrote:

What is the worst epic ever written in your opinion?

I say "Ghostship" by SHADOW GALLERY.

Are you insane? It's great!

I second that ... Ghostship is a classic prog epic ... how dare he , off with his head !   


Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 17:18
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

It's a hard question, because most bands put especial dedication and their best effort in their epics, mostly because epics are usually the base of an album, so it'sreally hard to fuind one so bad to call it the worst.

So I'll take the word worst as my least favorite even when it still has some good things:

Iron Butterfly's In a Gadda da Vida: Again, it's not bad, as a matter of facts starts promissing, even the somehow mysterious lirycs are interesting, but soon you find they are going in circles, simple variations and endless guitar solos over the same chord with the exact same bass and drums line.

As much as I like organ, this track is an excess, if lasted 50% would have been a masterpiece, tiresome and boring at some point at less you're smoking funny stuff or as Homer Simpson said "If you're having a good time in the back seat of your car" (Even when if you're young enough to have sex in your car, 20 minutes is normally too much time) 

Iván

Yeah 'In A Gadda Da Vida' seems to be padded to me as well; there's simply not enough in it to last 18 minutes- thus why they resorted to tedious soloing. Prog is often accused of featuring 'noodling', yet to me most prog epics have restrained and structured solos- 'In A Gadda...' doesn't, and long outstays its welcome. That said, the first part with the monolithic riff and mysterious melody and the neo classical organ refrain at the end tends to make me forgive these shortcomings.



Posted By: stan the man
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 23:03
Why is everyone dissing A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers .  I understand that it could have been shortened a couple mnutes but i think it is a wonderful song.   I havnt heard a side long epic i havnt liked but i havnt heard many so yeah. 

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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 23:06

Probably something by TFK

Thus far I've heard four songs of theirs and all they are is endless minutes of meaningless w**king

I'll try to hear a whole album to make sure if that's really so, but so far I'm pretty unimpressed



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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 23:07
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I like Rush a lot, but...

"2112," and "Cygnus X-1" are average, NOT GREAT epics.

Rush can be superb at short to mid-length songs ("Xanadu" being an exception) but just can get the epics down IMO.

You want to start some trouble, eh?



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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 23:09
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I like Rush a lot, but...

"2112," and "Cygnus X-1" are average, NOT GREAT epics.

Rush can be superb at short to mid-length songs ("Xanadu" being an exception) but just can get the epics down IMO.

You want to start some trouble, eh?

I think that Hemispheres in indeed pretty average but 2112 is pyre excellence IMO.



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Posted By: hey_timj
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 23:23
I think Cassandra Geminni is a mess.


Posted By: Kong
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 23:27
Originally posted by Dazo Dazo wrote:

The Wall - Pink Floyd.

 



I don't know if I would consider that an epic. It's more like an album that is long and sometimes boring. Pink Floyd's last epics were on Animals but post Wall Floyd does ten dto have an epic sound behind it. The Wall is cool, but there is a disproportional amount of songs I don't like than I like so I don't listen to it in its entirety often.


Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 23:30

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Why all these "worst" threads? This is the worst one yet.

right on - these threads suck



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Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: March 06 2006 at 23:57

I wouldn't say this is the "worst" epic ever, but I dont care much for this one:

Shadow Gallery - First Light... it's not a bad song at all, just the endless waste of time throughout of it really annoys me. Whether they're taking up time w/ silence or just soft ambient noise, it just bothers me.



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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: March 07 2006 at 00:26

Hands down the worst progressive rock epic of all time is A Passion Play by Jethro Tull. I'm a hardcore Tull fan so I have perspective. This album is sheer masterbation. Thick as a Brick is a brilliant album, but has a few flat spots (side two mostly). A Passion Play is a full albums worth of these flat, uninspired, pointless spots. Passion Play represents everything that the critics and rock fans have said about prog for years, arrogant self indulgence! To have a point, direction of thought, and concept is always ideal before writing an albums worth of material. Ian's directionless drivil along the Fullum Rd. is pure filler. Contractual obligations - Filler. Passion Play is a black eye to the Tull catalogue and progressive music altogether. Sometimes the critics are correct.

Now, I realize this a very negative review of "that album", and I apologise to those I,ve offended, but it is something I feel very strongly about. I listen to a lot of music and am a good judge of quality, whether I like it or not, I can admit quality. As I said earlier, I'm a hardcore Tull fan and can say, head held high, that this album is just pure cannon fodder.

So let your balls fly, tell me-pray- Can YOU defend this drek.



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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 07 2006 at 01:08
Originally posted by Witchwoodhermit Witchwoodhermit wrote:

Hands down the worst progressive rock epic of all time is A Passion Play by Jethro Tull. I'm a hardcore Tull fan so I have perspective. This album is sheer masterbation. Thick as a Brick is a brilliant album, but has a few flat spots (side two mostly). A Passion Play is a full albums worth of these flat, uninspired, pointless spots. Passion Play represents everything that the critics and rock fans have said about prog for years, arrogant self indulgence! To have a point, direction of thought, and concept is always ideal before writing an albums worth of material. Ian's directionless drivil along the Fullum Rd. is pure filler. Contractual obligations - Filler. Passion Play is a black eye to the Tull catalogue and progressive music altogether. Sometimes the critics are correct.

Now, I realize this a very negative review of "that album", and I apologise to those I,ve offended, but it is something I feel very strongly about. I listen to a lot of music and am a good judge of quality, whether I like it or not, I can admit quality. As I said earlier, I'm a hardcore Tull fan and can say, head held high, that this album is just pure cannon fodder.

So let your balls fly, tell me-pray- Can YOU defend this drek.

I don't think any Tull epic is bad, but to be honest I just noticed that I don't listen A Passion Play for at least 5 years (My car and house CD players have memory for the titles of the albums and after reading this last post checked both, it's not in the memory), there may be a reason behind this.

Iván



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Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: March 07 2006 at 02:43
Octavarium, I guess. Although most 20+ minute epics feature at least 50% filler material.


Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 07 2006 at 03:23
Originally posted by Space Dimentia Space Dimentia wrote:

Plauge of light-house keepers by VDGG, biggest load of pap Iv every heard, and these guys are one of the big & importent prog bands! This is suppose to be their magnus opus! You must be have'in me no!

Funny, but for me it is THE prog-epic to measure all other epics by. And it is "Magnum Opus", by the way.


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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: March 07 2006 at 03:26
Originally posted by Witchwoodhermit Witchwoodhermit wrote:

Hands down the worst progressive rock epic of all time is A Passion Play by Jethro Tull. I'm a hardcore Tull fan so I have perspective. This album is sheer masterbation. Thick as a Brick is a brilliant album, but has a few flat spots (side two mostly). A Passion Play is a full albums worth of these flat, uninspired, pointless spots. Passion Play represents everything that the critics and rock fans have said about prog for years, arrogant self indulgence! To have a point, direction of thought, and concept is always ideal before writing an albums worth of material. Ian's directionless drivil along the Fullum Rd. is pure filler. Contractual obligations - Filler. Passion Play is a black eye to the Tull catalogue and progressive music altogether. Sometimes the critics are correct.

Now, I realize this a very negative review of "that album", and I apologise to those I,ve offended, but it is something I feel very strongly about. I listen to a lot of music and am a good judge of quality, whether I like it or not, I can admit quality. As I said earlier, I'm a hardcore Tull fan and can say, head held high, that this album is just pure cannon fodder.

So let your balls fly, tell me-pray- Can YOU defend this drek.


Another dollar for me. Thank you very much.


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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 10:52

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Space Dimentia Space Dimentia wrote:

Plauge of light-house keepers by VDGG, biggest load of pap Iv every heard, and these guys are one of the big & importent prog bands! This is suppose to be their magnus opus! You must be have'in me no!

Funny, but for me it is THE prog-epic to measure all other epics by. And it is "Magnum Opus", by the way.

Perhaps Space Dementia is actually Hugh Banton in disguise.  



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Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 12:08

Why do 'hate' threads get so much sh*t on this site?

Hating something is just as valid an opinion as liking it, and you are allowed to express it!

If you get upset and angry because someone on the internet doesn't like something like something you like, there may well be something wrong with you.

Anyway for me its TFK - Love Supreme



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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 12:16
  As the saying goes, 'One man's trash is another man's treasure'.
  Sometimes if you hold on to your 'trash' long enough you will find it useful down the road.


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Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 17:04

Yeah, in the case of the Passion Play disc--a good beer coaster!



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Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 17:17
Moonchild


Posted By: kev2307
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 18:52

Personal I thought war and peace - really hard read

 

 

oh sorry musically - 'the final cut' PF - its so poor



Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 21:10

Duel With The Devil

 



Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 21:23
Sweet Hope Suit by Salem Hill.  I'm not a big fan of these guys, and this song is, to me, 33 minutes of boring music.


Posted By: 1-Armed Scissor
Date Posted: March 08 2006 at 21:51

Originally posted by Ekzodo Ekzodo wrote:

IN THE PROG GENRE, THIS IS THE WORST "EPIC": YES 90125




 

     the honor belongs to Yes, but a different album:

 



Posted By: hamham
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 01:34
Originally posted by Pafnutij Pafnutij wrote:

Octavarium, I guess. Although most 20+ minute epics feature at least 50% filler material.
aw, it is beautiful to me :(


Posted By: Aerandir
Date Posted: March 09 2006 at 11:33
First Light - Shadow Gallery

I don't know what's going on with this band...with every album they get worse!
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 03:14
Originally posted by 1-Armed Scissor 1-Armed Scissor wrote:

Originally posted by Ekzodo Ekzodo wrote:

IN THE PROG GENRE, THIS IS THE WORST "EPIC": YES 90125




 

     the honor belongs to Yes, but a different album:

 

No!!!


Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 03:40
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:


Originally posted by Space Dimentia Space Dimentia wrote:

Plauge of light-house keepers by VDGG, biggest load of pap Iv every heard, and these guys are one of the big & importent prog bands! This is suppose to be their magnus opus! You must be have'in me no!
Funny, but for me it is THE prog-epic to measure all other epics by. And it is "Magnum Opus", by the way.


Me too - it used to be that old warhorse 'Suppers Ready' or 'Gates Of Delerium', then I heard 'Plague..'

BTW - 'Magnum Opus' by Kansas (especially on their first live album) is a much under-rated classic.

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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 03:42
Originally posted by Politician Politician wrote:

Any of the four interminable long tracks on MAGENTA's "Revolutions".


They would be OK if it weren't for the lyrics ; this is the kind of sub-standard, shallow lyrical content that gives prog a bad name...


...or gave Pallas all their ideas for the first album

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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 04:51
I love 70's Tangerine Dream but the vocals in 'Bent Cold Sidewalk' from Cyclone -78, are truly awful imo. No wonder its a controversial album.

'The Remembering' from 'Tales of Topographic Oceans' by Yes makes me very impatient as well. I think the rest of the album is quite good.

VdGG's 'A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers' is my favourite epic.


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Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 06:03

Disregarding 'Karn Evil 9' for the sake of fair competition, Cluster's untitled 'track 3' from their debut, could be considered as a top contender.



Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 10:10
Grendel by Marillion is pretty insufferable

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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 10:13
Originally posted by Space Dimentia Space Dimentia wrote:

Plauge of light-house keepers by VDGG, biggest
load of pap Iv every heard, and these guys are one of the big &
importent prog bands! This is suppose to be their magnus opus! You must
be have'in me no!


No comment. Just... no comment.

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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 10:14
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:


[QUOTE=Space Dimentia]Plauge of light-house keepers by VDGG, biggest
load of pap Iv every heard, and these guys are one of the big &
importent prog bands! This is suppose to be their magnus opus! You
must be have'in me no!
Funny, but for me it is THE prog-epic to
measure all other epics by. And it is "Magnum Opus", by the way. [/
QUOTE]

Me too - it used to be that old warhorse 'Suppers Ready' or 'Gates Of
Delerium', then I heard 'Plague..'

BTW - 'Magnum Opus' by Kansas (especially on their first live album) is a
much under-rated classic.


Magnum Opus is my favorite instrumental of all time. It's an incredible
track though it's not really an epic song.

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Posted By: aprusso
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 10:28

KARN EVIL 9: Boring as hell



Posted By: aprusso
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 10:29
Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

[QUOTE=Space Dimentia] Plauge of light-house keepers by VDGG, biggest
load of pap Iv every heard, and these guys are one of the big &
importent prog bands! This is suppose to be their magnus opus! You must
be have'in me no!


AAAAGGHHHHHH what are you doing here then??????


Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 10:43

mmmmmmmmmm

 

Revolution 9 and Moonchild : Noise

Cassandra Gemini : Still Noise ... Horrible. Maybe they use this crazy stuff for torture. (althrough there is a great moment in the piece where the singer starts screaming while a symphonic riff is repeated for a few minutes)

Passion Play and Duel With The Devil are some of the most pointless, pretentious, incoherent, directionless epics I have ever heard.

Yes - Mind Drive - The middle section and the finale shows you that yes can't just make epics anymore. The first 5-7 minutes are great though.

Spock's Beard - Healing Colours of Sound --- Jeez, Neal had his bad days.

 

There are many more, but I wanna stop for now.

 

 



Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: March 10 2006 at 10:46
Originally posted by aprusso aprusso wrote:

KARN EVIL 9: Boring as hell

I agree. Maybe not the worst but certainly not essential. What about "all the seats were occupied" on the 666 album? 25 minutes of continuous dissonance without any structure!

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