Improvisation
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Topic: Improvisation
Posted By: chopper
Subject: Improvisation
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 14:39
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Some bands tend to reproduce studio versions almost note for note live
(e.g. Rush), some bands improvise a lot to the point of completely
altering songs live (e.g. ELP & Aquatarkus), others occasionally
change songs a bit. Which do you prefer? - give examples where applicable. |
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Posted By: EL OSO
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 14:56
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Posted By: Gentle Tull
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 15:14
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I like improvisation, but sometimes I feel it can linger too long without going anywhere, so I chose a bit of both. ------------- 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 15:26
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I went with a bit of both. Dream Theaters last live album Live At Budokan is (bizzarly) a perfect example how improv should and should not be done. They ruin Beyond This Life with 10 minutes of new stuff but the following track, Hollow Years, is transformed from a bland song to a masterpiece with 5+ minutes of improv. It all depends on the song and whats being done. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: -bp-
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 15:32
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A bit of both. I love improv but not everyone has mastered it...I could listen to old KC, or Jimi Hendrix improv all day but I can only listen to Yngwie for a couple minutes. ------------- 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 16:09
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I don't think that was improvised.... The Flower Kings are definitely masters of improvisation. |
sleeper wrote:
DT definitely planned that out carefully..Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 16:20
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A bit of both. There is something to be said about faithful reproduction live. I think it's one of Rush's and Genesis's strong points. I used to go and see It Bites live quite a lot and their precision and ability to reproduce the music was mindblowing. Improvisation could add great excitement to some music. Zappa was a master at this. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 16:46
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This is the oldest issue of them all...Improvisationi is good, but only when it s good. Many, many times, bands ruin their own material by adding some bad driven momentaneuos inspiration. Ad, off course, there are songs that has room for some jamming. It all depends on what kind of music. somehow, I don't see what kind of improvsation would come from The Residents, for example. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 16:58
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I like improvisation. I love rush but I would like to see them alter the songs a bit. I think improvising makes you a better musician and I think improvising it's much more fun for them so let those who can, "improvise". ------------- 
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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 17:07
I disagree about Beyond This Life... I love the improv stuff they did with it, particularly the keyboard/granite block duel between Rudess and Portnoy. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Ty1020/"> 
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Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 17:17
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Pink Floyd certainly does better live when they improvise their already fantastic studio songs, this was before Wish You Were Here, after that album they preety much play the songs note for note live. ------------- We got to pump the stuff to make us tough from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 17:32
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I like expanded versions of album work. For example Floyd's bootlegs. Some are sometimes 2 or 3 times longer than album versions. ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know... Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul... |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 17:41
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I pressed "Improvise" but I think I really meant to say "bit of both" Its boring to go to a gig and merely watch faithful recreations of the studio track....but on the other hand you want to recognsie the songs you know and love the band for. I've been listening to "The Great Deceiver" which is a King Crimson live box set from 73/74. they do some out and out improvisations, some of which work, some don't, in addition to recreations of their studio tracks with an extra something. It's a good balance. The band I always wanted to see was the Mahavishnu Orchestra...now they could improvise....
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Posted By: Korova
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 08:39
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I think a bit of both...anyway it depends on the song
------------- La Speranza della coscienza è forza La Speranza del sentimento è schiavitù La Speranza del corpo è malattia (G.I. Gurdjieff) |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 09:46
| A bit of both. I like improvisation (especially King Crimson) as long as it sounds interesting and seems to be going somewhere. |