How many MUSE fans here??
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Topic: How many MUSE fans here??
Posted By: alatas
Subject: How many MUSE fans here??
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 03:41
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The subject says it all....how many MUSE fans out there? Let's here your likes and dislikes about this band. ------------- "Today is yesterday's tomorrow" |
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 07:29
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This thread's in the wrong section, but I'll let that slide 'cause you're a newbie. Muse... Their first two albums were neeeeearly prog, and I half-wondered if Absolution would show them taking the plunge. It didn't though, as they've turned tail and fled into full-scale indie rock. A real pity, but who knows what could happen in future times? They're also my girlfriend's favourite band... like anyone needs to know that. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:00
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I wouldn't call myself a fan, but I do like them. I accept they are just about 'prog related' ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:05
Actually it isn't. Haven't you seen that MUSE have been included? |
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:56
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I like 'em - but I don't think they've changed their spots - just their producer. They used to be produced by John Leckie (who also produced Radiohead), but Absolution is produced by Rich Costey (The Mars Volta and others). If anything, they've become more progressive - listen to Matt's Rachmaninov imitations... or read some of my review. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=9885 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=9885
...and jd... |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 09:54
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I agree with Cert. Brilliant band and they certainly have a place on this site.
And more proof to the fact that ratings without reviews HAVE to be deleted. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 09:58
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I don't really care for them. And I don't really see why they are included in the archives,because they aren't prog. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. -------------  |
Posted By: PaHa
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 10:12
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I really like Muse. I don't care if it's Prog or not. I don't listen to ProgRock, I listen to good music, which happens to be ProgRock most of the time. (Yeah, I love ProgRock.) But Muse is really good music! |
Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 10:16
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I love Muse if there is one band that may get the teeny bopping, fickle top of the pop fans in to prog its them, the Best band in Britian at the momeny by far! Ok Showbiz isnt very proggy but Origin of Symmatry most certainly is! with lost of intresting ideas, just look at plug in baby how many people would use a scale as an intro! whilst Sing for Absolution is most definatly a continuation from Origin with some very interesting ideas some almost classical ideas such as the piano breakdow in butterflies and hurricanes yet there are some songs on there that would not look out of place on Showbiz such as Hystieria so its almost a melting pot of both, plus Sing for Absolution is very much piano driven unlike th other two which are much more guitar driven... I could go on but il stop here. ------------- Prog is music for the mind Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 10:53
*rolls eyes* Oh well. I've never had much to do with band admissions so I'll just keep myself to myself then. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 10:56
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Never heard more than 30 seceonds of their music. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: gok22us
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 14:57
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Muse are my favorite band ever. I've seen em' four times. If it weren't for them, I would never have had the urge to try out Crimson, Yes, and others. Thank you Muse.
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Posted By: walrus
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 15:17
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Greats vocals, great guitar work, good drummer, and a very rythmical bassist. I should say they're a great band, almost as good as radiohead, but they're on the way. Good adittion to ProgArchives.. ------------- you and whose army? |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 15:19
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3 guys with attitude that play as though their lives depend on it.Not afraid to be different.Bombastic to the extreme and lead by a fantastically gifted showman.Well thats enough about Emerson,Lake and Palmer
I also love Muse btw. |
Posted By: mortem
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 15:36
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I really don't know or really care if they're indeed prog or not.. I just happen to enjoy their music very much :)
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/m0rtem/ - My Last.fm |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 15:39
 well said ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: gok22us
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 15:42
aweeesome. :) |
Posted By: Thickasabrick12
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 15:51
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ah,muse. Since im not huge on prog(im relatively new to it) and love other types of music(punk,classic rock,grunge,alternative,funk,metal etc) i think there good. I have orgin of symmetry on my computer and it is pretty good. ------------- http://imageshack.us">  http://imageshack.us">
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Posted By: alatas
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 17:15
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Dear All,
Thanks for the responses, but I DO think MUSE is prog. related, and heading to become progressive in many senses. Their music is electrifying, with fantastic lyrics, many of them with a dark philosophy to them; and wonderfully crafted mood transitions. Keyboard work is excellent as well. Anyway, all a matter of good taste, isn't it?? Anyway, no argument here please about whether it's prog or not, but let's ALL agree though that it DOES belong in archives....PUHLEEZ? 
Newbie, or no newbie, I love this group! 
------------- "Today is yesterday's tomorrow" |
Posted By: Ipacial Section
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 17:40
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It'll be Coldplay next, then Greenday....
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 17:48
Neither. I'm surprised to hear such generalisation from a fan of prog music ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Ipacial Section
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 17:59
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I think you misunderstood my statement. Now that Muse have made it into the archives, it won't be too long before Coldplay join them. Then Greenday will be the obvious choice to follow them. Lets face it, Muse are no more 'progressive' than Coldplay or Greenday. Radiohead are lightyears ahead of them all. Alot of the bands in the archives are more regressive than progressive. Perhaps we should have a genre called Reg music. Muse would fit into that nicely, they make extremely cliched music, they're often very cheesy aswell. ------------- www.soundclick.com/ipacialsection |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 18:00
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Some of the comments here are bizaare to say the least. If not a fully-fledged Prog Rock group (to my mind they are as Prog as TMV) they certainly easily qualify as Prog-Related. Absolution is a very good album brimming with ideas and inventiveness.To me only the most narrow-minded of Prog Fans wouldnt get something out of it. Stellar review by Certif1ed too. Describes the album perfectly |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 18:03
No...I would call bands like Anglagard and Wobbler regressive,due to the fact that they use vintage instruments and recording techniques,and are modelling their sound after classic symphonic prog. ------------- |
Posted By: Ipacial Section
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 18:06
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And i would call Muse regressive, because they are a Jeff Buckley/Radiohead/Nirvana tribute band who play their instruments like it's still the 70's. Plus, none of their sounds are anything that hasn't been heard before, they don't even seem to make use of genre fusing that much either. Although many would have you believe they do, simply because some of their songs feature piano, played in an 'old fashioned' way. ------------- www.soundclick.com/ipacialsection |
Posted By: alatas
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 18:12
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Hi Guys,
The comments to my question are sometimes aggressive, sometimes commendable. All I wanted was for a 'decent' discussion on MUSE. I think I've read many articles that say MUSE is "Prog. Related". If anyone has any strong opinions on this, let's keep those responses less accusatory. After all, we're here for 'friendly' discussion, right?? Or if you MUST let off steam, send PM to me, and don't subject the rest of the group to this. Anyway, keep it friendly guys! P.S. Music is all about personal choice; we all have different opinions on different stuff. It's a very subjective exercise.  ------------- "Today is yesterday's tomorrow" |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 18:22
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When you are discussing a band whose addition can be conceived of as "controversial",and that forum members are divided on,you should expect heated debate.Actually,everyone has been pretty civil in this thread.You should have seen it when Queen were added. ------------- |
Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 18:24
| I enjoy them alot. Prog or not, who cares. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 03:03
Very true - and you should have seen the outcry and pandemonium when Radiohead were added |
Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 03:06
I wholeheartedly agree! Just one thing: to me they are FAR BETTER than Radiohead. The latter often bore me, the former never! In particular I love some of their songs like Citizen Erased, Bliss, Microcuts, Apocalypse Please, Hysteria and above all the wonderful Stockholm Syndrome. Way to go, men!  ------------- A flower? 
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 03:32
Ah yes, the great Radiohead war of 2004; us old time veterans of that conflict still bear the emotional and psychological scars from that one... Muse, though - One of the best rock bands around in the UK at the moment, obviously influenced by the past, but very definitely looking toward the future. I personally think their inclusion was way overdue, but hey! Better late than never, eh? ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 05:39
Indeed.Absolution blew me away on first listening.They have many prog sensabilities as a band and went out of their way to create something that has different textures and ideas. Essentially I beleive they are a rock band with prog leanings so the category of 'Prog related' is fine. People too often forget that prog rock is a sub genre of rock music and not a sub genre of classical or jazz music. |
Posted By: lmollea
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 07:00
I agree. Prog? Never understood well where the prog fence lies in the field of music, so - personally - I think they're inside or really near that invisible fence. ------------- Semm che, semm che settą giņ in del bar / a cercą l'universo nel bucčer del Cynar cosmonauti al tavolino cun la sigareta in błca / che vemm a cambią el mund apena finissum la sambuca |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 09:26
| I wouldn't say I'm a fan, but I like them. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 15:42
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I'm being constantly amazed by the real links to Prog that Muse have; This quote is from Maani's interview with Rick Wakeman on ProgArchives.com - a site you can trust "Regarding my favorite artists, I love Muse. I think theyre sensational. I have followed them since their first album. I also like Tool, Air, Mars Volta, and Incubus. There are some great players and musicians about who are not frightened of being themselves and standing up for their music, and that gives me a great feeling of confidence for the future."
I also found out that besides John Leckie who produced Radiohead, David Botrill who produced Tool also served some time on "Origins of Symmetry", and that album was recorded at two venerable locations - David Gilmour's studio and Peter Gabriel's studio. Matt Bellamy is also reported as saying that Queen are as much an influence on Muse as Radiohead are.
Muse have a DVD coming out in December, it's been confirmed (yesterday). Pre-order at Amazon - you know I have... http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000CDINOK/inmuseworld-21/202-7785689-7301409 - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000CDINOK/inmusewo rld-21/202-7785689-7301409
Their next album is due out in May next year - Muse only have 25 or so tracks slated for it, so obviously they need to write a few more, chain them together into two or three epics, make it a triple album and then they'll be promoted to full prog - but only after Matt buys a Mellotron and gets in a real lead guitarist |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 17:26
Also available from play.com (and no delivery charges) http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=843036&p=57&g=72&pa=sr - http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&titl e=843036&p=57&g=72&pa=sr |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 17:45
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I've heard two of their songs from their most recent album. They
are heavily influenced by Radiohead, but Radiohead have their
influences too. The two songs I heard were definitely prog
related. I liked what I heard. I haven't heard enough to
support their inclusion on this site, though. As a matter of fact, when I first heard them, I was sure they would be included on this site. I checked but they hadn't been added yet. I'll have to check it out... ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: November 25 2005 at 21:57
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Was impressed by the Absolution album and found out about Muse through that. Brilliant showman - the live DVD is well worth watching. I have a work colleague who is developing a stronger interest in prog because I used Muse as a introduction point because of the tastes that he had already developed. He saw them in concert while he was away and was blown away by their performance, particularly their musical virtuosity. I think the insightful comment about their output bringing some young fans into prog has merit. The clever arrangements will require people unfamiliar with musical complexities to expand their conscious understanding of music, and Muse, like bands such as Porcupine Tree, wether you like them or not, are dominant players in the present and future of progressive rock music because they have the ability to relate to both sides. They are neither so high-brow and eccentric that they have lost touch with the commonality of music, nor are they your everyday popchart bands. *What is the purpose of music anyway! That there are popular elements to their sound show intelligence, because you sometimes need to get down from your high horse in order to really get the reality of what is going on around you and you will catch a much broader spectrum of support by being broadminded about your musical output rather than being closeminded to the degree of alienating a majority of people. They secret is to neither compromise your musical integrity nor become so precious and pretentious that you end up really making music for no one but people who like sound simply because no one else can stand it. And for what purpose, so that they can say their musical taste is unique and different to everyone else, the inference being - my music is to complex for you to understand - your dumb like everyone else, I'm not. That is in fact regressive because it is a childish attitude that serves only to inflate the esteem of certain individuals whose egos about their music tastes are as big as Rory Gallaghers opinion of his own, but without his bank-balance to at least show something for it. Some of the original masters of prog could learn a few lessons from the younger up and comers about how to maintain integrity while still remaining relevant and progressive. (and for those of you that would disagree with my comments (and who bag out religion) then I would suggest that you are already religious yourself - about music - because you have your own doctrine and fixed theology on the subject) *check out the definition of religion if you disagree with me. Subjectively, I can understand why some people may not like or appreciate their music but whatever you do, don't say these bands aren't relevant because these clever musicians are part of the perpetual motion of progressive rock music. ------------- Eternity |