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Topic: Progressive Nonsense
Posted By: RaphaelT
Subject: Progressive Nonsense
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:22

 

What is most ridiculous false information you have heard or read about prog music, from newspapers or from friends? These are few examples:

Ian Anderson was a lead singer of Yes (this was from greatest polish journal)

Robert Fripp secretly played the bass in Close To The Edge

Jimmy Page composed the middle part of Owner Of A Lonely Heart.

The last two comes from my friend, when he was a young boy and had no access to Internet.

Please post similar false information, or mistakes. Your own invention is also welcome



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Posted By: Ty1020
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:24
Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

Ian Anderson was a lead singer of Yes (this was from greatest polish journal)


Well, that one's not too bad... they only got 2 letters wrong .


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Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:26

 

I forgot to mention something better: The album Animals with Battersea Powerhouse on a cover was recorded by U2, according to some female newspaper



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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:27
Peter Gabriel did secretly the vocals on the LP Battlement from German band Neuschwanstein !


Posted By: Ipacial Section
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:27

Radiohead arn't Prog.



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Posted By: Prosciutto
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:30
Around 1998, a classmate told me that John Wetton was replacing Tony Levin in Liquid Tension Experiment.  

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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:31
Kate Bush IS prog



Apologies to her fans (I like her actually)

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Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:31
I read somewhere that Bill Bruford left Yes in '72 because he thought the band was moving towards a direction that was too much commercially oriented  


Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 17:05
I buried Paul...oh that's not prog!

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 17:07
Originally posted by Ipacial Section Ipacial Section wrote:

Radiohead arn't Prog.

Their not in my opinion

Peter Gabriel was booted out of Genesis rather than left of his own accord



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Posted By: Ipacial Section
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 17:28
Your opinion matters not to me.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 17:32

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

I read somewhere that Bill Bruford left Yes in '72 because he thought the band was moving towards a direction that was too much commercially oriented  

It is true. I heard the same from one of the radio interviews with YES members. YES direction on "Close To The Edge" seemed commercial only to Bill Bruford, it doesn't mean the band was commercial in general.

 



Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 17:48
My favourite is in Paul Stump's progressive rock "The Music's All That
Matters". In his section on female prog musicians (which lasts for all of
about half a page), he concentrates in particular on the Dutch band
SUPERSISTER. Who were, of course, all male.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 17:56
Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

 

What is most ridiculous false information you have heard or read about prog music, from newspapers or from friends?

Russian edition of the "Classic Rock" magazine (not a bad magazine at all) is sometimes a "king of small nonsenses". Most of articles are taken from English edition, but it seems people who make translations often are far from rock music. 

Examples.

1. Chrissie Hynde from PRETENDERS changed her sex twice in one magazine. One article told "he" about Chrissie, while another article described her as a female singer.

2. About John Wetton after leaving URIAH HEEP : "Later he played in Great Britain and Asia". 

3. About Heather Findlay of MOSTLY AUTUMN: "His harsh voice in such songs like Black Rain..."

 



Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 18:29
Paul McCartney was dead because he didn't have any shoes on in the photo on the sleeve of Abbey Road


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 21:39

I read in a prog magazine that The War of the Worlds featured Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, Jen Luc Ponty, Ian Anderson on flute and Bill Bruford.

The owner of this Peruvian magazine was a friend that recieved a cassette copy with no credits the same day I recieved it, the guy that made the copies told us the story, but my friend printed it in his magazine without checking the info as I suggested him (On those days without Internet the Prog news were almost unvaillable in Perú).

Poor guy, this was the second and last number, because he recieved so many letters that had to give up.

Iván

PS: Eugene Salamati wrote:

Quote About John Wetton after leaving URIAH HEEP : "Later he played in Great Britain and Asia". 

LMAO



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Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 22:02
Originally posted by Ipacial Section Ipacial Section wrote:

Radiohead arn't Prog.


That is CORRECT.


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Posted By: darren
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 22:41

It was discussed on another thread but I also heard that Steve Howe couldn't read music. I also heard he couldn't really play the guitar before joining Yes and he wrote "Clap" and "Mood For A Day" by ear and experimentation.

There was also play certain albums or songs backwards and you got various satanic or subliminal messages. 

Then there's Ian Anderson photos being labelled as Jethro Tull as if that was his name.

Then there's Pink Floyd referred to as "He" insted of "They". Also, there's Pink Floyd albums under "F" in the stacks of music stores. 

EDIT: I also remember a rumour an album coming out with Downes, Lake and Palmer. Either never materialized or just a rumour. Who knows?



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Posted By: darren
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 22:55

Just remembered another:

Waaaaay back when, it was rumoured that the band Klaatu was really The Beatles reformed and secretly recording under another name.

It didn't help that the band itself didn't tour and were rather reclusive. The band also didn't spend much effort to deny this, since it was good for album sales.



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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 23:39
There are some great errors about VdGG on Phil Smart's website: http://www.vandergraafgenerator.co.uk/errors.htm

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 23:40
I can't say I've been exposed to any of this stuff, but I have to say that the idea of "Floyd, Pink" is hilarious.

EDIT: Scratch that, somebody tried to tell me that Portnoy sang lead vocals for 7/8 songs on Octavarium a few weeks ago.


Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 23:45
How about Tull, Jethro?  I've not seen it personally, but I'm sure it has somewhere.




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Posted By: laztraz
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 23:54
Originally posted by darren darren wrote:

Just remembered another:

Waaaaay back when, it was rumoured that the band Klaatu was really The Beatles reformed and secretly recording under another name.

It didn't help that the band itself didn't tour and were rather reclusive. The band also didn't spend much effort to deny this, since it was good for album sales.

 

I had forgotten that!!!



Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 06:14
i used to believe for a long time that IQ's drummer Paul Cook started with the Sex Pistols!

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 08:07
Originally posted by darren darren wrote:

It was discussed on another thread but I also heard that Steve Howe couldn't read music.

I don't know for sure whether Steve Howe can read music now, but in the beginning of his career he couldn't. I always thought he is classically-trained musician and I was surprised when read in Chris Welch book "Close To The Edge. The Story of Yes" that Steve is a self-taught guitarist.

 



Posted By: darren
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 23:25

More are coming back to me...

That squealing sound in Pink Floyd's "Echoes" was a recording by Greenpeace of a harpooned and dying whale. In an interview with David Gilmore, he said the sound came about when he accidentally plugged a guitar into a guitar pedal backwards, loved the sound and went with it.

During "The Wall" tour, Syd Barrett applied for a job as a roadie for Pink Floyd. Some rumours say he did work as one... under an assumed name, naturally.

When ELP was forming, their original intent was to have Jimi Hendrix join them. Jimi was seriously considering it but he died of an overdose. (I don't know if it's true or if it's just to set up that they'd be called HELP).

Speaking of Mr. Hendrix:

He came off stage. Someone picked up his guitar and it was out of tune. Jimi later picked up the guitar and, without retuning, walked out and played a brilliant encore. The idea is that he could bend the strings to pitch as he played. Mind you, I've heard other versions of the same story but with Eddy Van Halen and The Edge.

I'm sure I'll remember more, I've always loved urban myth- type stories.

Then there's The Mudshark, The Zappa Gross Out Contest and Alice Cooper biting the head off a chicken... Ah, never mind.



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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 23:41
Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster!

Sorry, not prog I know, but it never happened apparently.

Ooh, I have one, not properly prog-related, but some friends of mine claim Peter Green's playing on Albatross is by a session musician..., I don't believe this for one moment!

I did think for a brief moment that Dave Stewart of Hatfield and The North was the guy from the Eurythmics and Curve, but I didn't think that was the case.

Some true facts:

Jimi Hendrix played a comb and paper on "Crosstown Traffic".
Deep Purple's "Smoke On The Water" is about a Frank Zappa concert and the venue burning down.
Apparenlty Jeff Beck when he was in the Yardbirds, never bothered to tune his guitar properly...


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Posted By: Suki
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 14:55

When someone in my school said they play 'Punk progressive'..

I said no such thing exist and claimed that such remark was foolishly made by Greenday fans..

Well, he mainly likes Blink 182 and he described me how he plays the drums and how his playing probably makes their music progressive..

I personally find it stupid...

 



Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 15:42
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

How about Tull, Jethro?  I've not seen it personally, but I'm sure it has somewhere.




One of my friends had Tull, Jethro in his music library on his computer.


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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 16:12

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster!

Sorry, not prog I know, but it never happened apparently.

Ooh, I have one, not properly prog-related, but some friends of mine claim Peter Green's playing on Albatross is by a session musician..., I don't believe this for one moment!

I did think for a brief moment that Dave Stewart of Hatfield and The North was the guy from the Eurythmics and Curve, but I didn't think that was the case.

Some true facts:

Jimi Hendrix played a comb and paper on "Crosstown Traffic".
Deep Purple's "Smoke On The Water" is about a Frank Zappa concert and the venue burning down.
Apparenlty Jeff Beck when he was in the Yardbirds, never bothered to tune his guitar properly...

Both Dave Stewarts appeared on the same Steve Hillage album - I think it was Open? - and one of them was credited as David Stewart.



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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 17:00
I didn't know that, that's amusing.

All we need now is:

Dave Stewart - keyboards
Dave Stewart - keyboards
Phil Miller - guitar
Steve Miller - vocals
Steve Miller (R.I.P.) - piano
Richard Sinclair - bass/vocals
David Sinclair - keyboards
Pip Pyle - drums
Artimus Pyle (Lynyrd Skynyrd) - drums
Pye Hastings
Jimmy Hastings - Saxophone

Confusion!

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Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: November 22 2005 at 12:00

 

And the whole prog thing started with "Confusion will be my Epitaph"



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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 06:29

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I didn't know that, that's amusing.

All we need now is:

Dave Stewart - keyboards
Dave Stewart - keyboards
Phil Miller - guitar
Steve Miller - vocals
Steve Miller (R.I.P.) - piano
Richard Sinclair - bass/vocals
David Sinclair - keyboards
Pip Pyle - drums
Artimus Pyle (Lynyrd Skynyrd) - drums
Pye Hastings
Jimmy Hastings - Saxophone

Confusion!

And introducing the Anderson Singers (the Von Trapps of the prog world):

Ian Anderson (the Tull one)

Ian Anderson (the other one, the Anglo-Celtic folk singer)

Jon Anderson  (occasional guest singer with Bela Fleck)

Moira Anderson (the Scots opera singer)

Miller Anderson (Keef Hartley Band)

And lyric writer: Hans Christian Anderson

 

With the rest of  Stewart family: Rod, Al and their driver Jackie



Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 06:42
I have read somewhere that Genesis kept playing in the 80s...

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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 06:46

Bruce Dickinson-Lead singer of Iron Maiden

OR

Bruce Dickinson-Responsible for mixing various men at work albums



Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 07:08

Originally posted by Chipiron Chipiron wrote:

I have read somewhere that Genesis kept playing in the 80s...

Just false rumours, I can tell you.



Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: November 23 2005 at 18:09
I'm liking the list of Andersons there Dick, well done.  Miller Anderson I feel is very underated and should get more recognition.  Do you know if Hemlock was any good?  That album is a bit sortafter, so I was curious.

Add one more: Andy Anderson (drums on a Steve Hillage album)

I saw MillerAnderson (without knowing it at the time), play way back in the 1980s in an all-stars band, along with Spencer Davis, Zoot Money and Pete Yorke amongst others.

How about Smiths?  There is the Smith who played with VdGG, anymore?


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Posted By: darren
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 07:55

Not prog but I read:

Joni Mitchell told a group of session musicians to "play more orange". She didn't know how to read music and could only describe music in terms of colour. She thought everybody thought of music this way.

Actually, it's true. The story was from an interview of Ms. Mitchell herself.

My favourite... how did I foget? (again, not prog... sorry):

George Harrison was depressed about the direction that the Beatles were going, his wife left him for his best friend and he was strung out on drugs and feeling sick. He hadn't touched a guitar in weeks. His friend Eric Idle dropped off a gift (a new guitar). That afternoon, despite being in the depths of dispair, George sat quietly in his garden and wrote "Here Comes The Sun".

I heard this one at some kind of seminar. I forget what the point of the story was supposed to be. No, I don't believe it.

 



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Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:09
Originally posted by darren darren wrote:

Not prog but I read:

Joni Mitchell told a group of session musicians to "play more orange". She didn't know how to read music and could only describe music in terms of colour. She thought everybody thought of music this way.

Actually, it's true. The story was from an interview of Ms. Mitchell herself.

My favourite... how did I foget? (again, not prog... sorry):

George Harrison was depressed about the direction that the Beatles were going, his wife left him for his best friend and he was strung out on drugs and feeling sick. He hadn't touched a guitar in weeks. His friend Eric Idle dropped off a gift (a new guitar). That afternoon, despite being in the depths of dispair, George sat quietly in his garden and wrote "Here Comes The Sun".

I heard this one at some kind of seminar. I forget what the point of the story was supposed to be. No, I don't believe it.

 

Beautiful story... Here's another that should have been truth but I'm afraid it wasn't:

Jose Carreras (from Barcelona) and Placido Domingo (from Madrid) hated each other to death until Carreras got leukemia (I think it's written like that). He spent many years visiting the most expensive doctors until he spent all his fortune. Eventually, an association in Madrid cured him for free. When he was again healthy and had returned to singing, he investigated and found out that the association was funded by Domingo, who had created it secretly to avoid losing a great voice like Carreras' one. They became real friends and (that's the sad part) created "The Three Tenors"

Hope you liked it...



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Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:16

There is a rumor that Frank Zappa ate sh*t on stage in NY at the 70s... i dont know if its true... but it sounds kinda shocking..



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Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: November 24 2005 at 08:31
Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

There is a rumor that Frank Zappa ate sh*t on
stage in NY at the 70s... i dont know if its true... but it sounds kinda
shocking..



     That's the biggest myth in all of prog, a "gross-out" contest between
Zappa, sometimes with Alice Cooper, over who could be most gross...in
this myth, an audience member poops onstage, and Zappa outdoes him
by consuming the tasty morsel. Patently absurd, perhaps spawned by the
fact of Frank having once posed for a photo on a toilet, which became
one of THE iconic posters of the 60s. Frank himself commented, "The
closest I ever came to eating sh*t was a Holiday Inn buffet luncheon".


Posted By: Gianthogweed
Date Posted: November 26 2005 at 02:17
Originally posted by Eugene Salamati Eugene Salamati wrote:

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

I read somewhere that Bill Bruford left Yes in '72 because he thought the band was moving towards a direction that was too much commercially oriented  

It is true. I heard the same from one of the radio interviews with YES members. YES direction on "Close To The Edge" seemed commercial only to Bill Bruford, it doesn't mean the band was commercial in general.

 

No, he just felt he and the band had accomplished the best that they could possibly accomplish at that point.  They had reached their peak, and there was no topping themselves from there, it was all downhill.  In a way, he was right. Although they still had 3 great albums in them after he left, Close to the Edge and Yessongs was their peak.




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