bush vs kerry
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Topic: bush vs kerry
Posted By: 5 minute solo
Subject: bush vs kerry
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 16:38
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who are you backing? ------------- You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon! |
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 16:44
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I'd back Mr Bean over either of those two any day... |
Posted By: asuma
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 18:06
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a vote for bush IS a vote for kerry
taken from indymedia "Four years and one bubble pop later, we have a choice between two guys from Skulls and Bones and one guy from Hell's Angels. If you want to see a political miracle in America, smash the skulls, bury dem bones and take a ride on the wild side. Vote for Ralph Nader. Anybody but Bush says you. I say anybody but Bush or Kerry. I know Kerry is saner, infinitely better educated and certainly more intelligent than Bush. Like a number of professional psychiatrists, I have serious concern about Bush's mental health. I understand that a second term for Bush might lead to an apocalyptic disaster. If he got a call from God to go to war in Iraq, George might very well move on to Armageddon next time the imaginary phone rings. But why bother kicking Bush and his neocons out of office only to see them replaced by Kerry and his neo-branded neocons. Why should any American put up with the disgraceful sight of Kerry licking Ariel Sharon's boots? Is there any historical precedent for a presidential candidate who was rebuffed by a foreign leader reacting like this pitifully spineless Democrat? Sharon snubbed Kerry by not giving him an appointment on his last visit to Washington. Kerry responded to this calculated insult by dispatching his brother to Tel Aviv on an AIPAC sponsored tour. Cameron Kerry's mission was to vocally proclaim his Jewish faith and use it as leverage to gain access to Ariel Sharon to pledge his brother's fealty to Israel. It was like a scene from the Godfather, with Sharon taking Brando's role and Kerry's brother pledging omerta to the mob. I never knew a guy as tall as John Kerry could stoop that low. But Kerry will not lose my vote because I am a single-issue voter who is guilty of obsessing about Palestinian rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. My vote will go to Nader because of my conviction that politicians who formulate racist foreign policies for dealing with Palestinians are very likely to have racist sentiments against Arab-Americans. For my sacred honor as an American, I will never again vote for a Democrat or a Republican till hell freezes over. I have taken all I am ever going to take from the political vermin that infest both major parties. The way I figure it, I would rather not vote at all when presented with a choice of two bigots. Call me sensitive, but I am offended that a tolerant America seems incapable of presenting me with a political alternative that I can accept without wounding my personal dignity. Over night, in the wake of the terror attacks of 9/11, I saw my status as an American reduced from first class citizenship to a second-class national of suspect origins. It was a loss of fortune that cannot be measured in dollars. I would rather have woken up in bankruptcy court.I went to sleep in an America where I was the equal of every other American and woke up to a life in the shadow of the Patriot Act - an assault on my personal liberty that was inflicted by both Democrats and Republicans. This November, some Americans will vote their pocket book; others will vote for universal health insurance or a balanced budget or still lower taxes. Some Americans will have the luxury of choosing between candidates who support gay marriage and those who oppose it. A small minority will cast their vote in favor of stem cell research or against the Neanderthals who are against it. Issues like higher minimum wage and veterans benefits will rank high on the priority list of Democrats. The Republicans will vote for more guns and a more generous slice of butter for the upper crust. Those Americans who belong to the Judeo-Christian identity movement will vote for Bush in the promise that he will make the state look more like the church. The vast majority will vote for the party their families and ethnic groups traditionally vote for. As for my vote, it will go to the one candidate who promises to restore my first-class citizenship. That man is Ralph Nader. Allow me to make an appeal to other voters who still champion the exotic notion that equal rights should extend to Americans whose heritage challenges the Euro-centric Bush/Kerry claims to a monopoly on 'values'. I will not allow my values to be challenged by men who condone repression abroad for a few votes on the home front. Given the choice between democracy and a pseudo-theocracy, I will choose democracy every time. I will not sit silent and grant two amoral degenerates the right to challenge my personal ethics. My values will trump their values any day of the week. Like the vast majority of Americans, I am more tolerant and more humane than both the president and the candidate. Their conscience has gone AWOL. Mine is still intact. No blood of an innocent child stains my hand. I do not consort with serial war criminals. They embrace them. I still do body counts. And for me, every body counts. So, I insist on casting my vote for a president; not a holier-than-thou preacher who comes nowhere close to being holier than moi. Before other Arab-Americans cast their vote, I want their mind to drift back a few decades when being of Lebanese or Syrian descent was no more a burden than being of Greek origins or Jewish heritage. Look around you and notice that it wasn't your fellow Americans who assaulted your rights - it was the Democratic and Republican establishment and the racist mass media lords. Wake up and smell the coffee. We are living in a media controlled state - a virtual Murdochracy. Arab-baiting hate TV rules the airwaves and ambitious power hungry politicians are more than happy to play their assigned roles as mudslingers. Believe me, I instinctively know that Bush is an intellectually challenged man who can barely complete a sentence - unless David Frum wrote it for him. But Kerry is also a sorry excuse of a human being. Forget about what they will do to the folks in the old country and consider what they have already done to Arab-Americans over here. Ask yourself a few simple questions. Does your government consider you less of an American than you were four years ago? Did you personally do anything to deserve a demotion to second class citizenship? Did the Democrats stand up for you when your civil rights were assaulted? Did Kerry or Edwards utter a word in your defense? When the United States government incites Sharon to escalate his campaign of terror against the Palestinians, are they not sending a clear message to your kids about the value of an Arab life - over there and by extension over here. In deliberately inflaming the Middle East, do they ever care about how it effects our pursuit of happiness and our sense of well being? Are they unaware that their racist foreign policies can only be marketed in a domestic environment where bigotry is nurtured by the likes of Rupert Murdoch and his clones at CNN? Can they even begin to understand what that does to the self-esteem of our kids? So, this November, vote your dreams, not your fears. Vote for the land you want your children to inherit and against political parties that cast you aside. Vote for Ralph Nader and make a pledge to teach your kids to never give a Democrat or a Republican the time of day. If Nader is pressured to pull out of the race, vote for the Green Party or the Libertarians or don't vote. " ------------- *Remember all advice given by Asuma is for entertainment purposes only. Asuma is not a licensed medical doctor, psychologist, or counselor and he does not play one on TV.* |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 18:10
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Wow, I didn't know Michael Moore wrote for indymedia. |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 19:23
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Whatever you do, don't kid yourself that the Libertarians are a worthy choice. If you think that Bush allows corporations overly generous leeway, read the Libertarian Party's plan for the future...and what could be more hypocritical than a party which promotes unbridled free trade and yet enjoys all the benefits of being a non-profit organization? The leaders of the party are all existing outside the private sector, enjoying tax-exempt status, and yet they consistently oppose any sort of government assistance to the poor or unfortunate. Last time around, it was a choice between an alcoholic cocaine-using education-stifling oil company puppet ex-governor (Bush) and a droning charisma-less featherweight lying oil-connected puppet ex-VP (Gore). I voted for Nader, who made it clear that his bid for presidency was only a tactic to create awareness of his party's beliefs and thereby make a later candidacy from that party more viable. When confronted with the opinion that his supporters had stolen Gore's votes, he joked that Gore had stolen his- and that quote has since been twisted and taken out of context in an attempt to make him seem out of touch with reality. Can we even trust the voting process? After the depressing farce of the recount, the paper-based voting machines were relaced with completely self-contained electronic devices. This eliminated any sort of paper trail for auditing purposes, and the company which produces them has refused to allow any outide audits- citing privacy concerns and "intellectual property" laws (as a corporation, they have the same rights as individuals under a bizarre perversion of US law). After ignoring numerous expressed concerns about the electronic voting machines, the GOP has quietly issued a document urging voters to use absentee ballots rather than take the risk that votes for them might be counted improperly...see http://www.blackboxvoting.com/ - http://www.blackboxvoting.com/ for more info... Now it's a choice between an unstable warmonger and a shamelessly opportunistic chameleon. Never has the 'lesser of two evils' argument been used so passionately- Michael Moore, who should know better, recently publicly begged Nader to drop out so Kerry would have a better chance. If you have the choice between driving a car with dangerous emissions or a car with slightly less dangerous emissions, perhaps choosing not to drive at all is not such a bad thing. Though all sorts of appeals to our right to vote are manifesting themselves- often attempting to make you feel that there's some sort of moral failure in not voting- abstaining from a vote is a perfectly reasonable choice; Senators and Representatives abstain from voting on Capitol Hill all the time, so it's obviously an accepted part of the American political process, right? As for me, I haven't decided. If I had to vote right now it would be a tough choice between Nader and Nobody, but I'm still watching Kerry just in case he does something unexpected to win me over, or disgust me completely. Bush should be forced out, just as his relatively less objectionable father was after a single scary term, but that's as much as I can say for certain just yet. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi"> 
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Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 22:11
I'm with you Cert!
------------- break the circle reset my head wake the sleepwalker and i'll wake the dead |
Certif1ed wrote:
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 05:54
No matter who you vote for, the government gets in  WonŽt get fooled again  ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 05:55
The only Bush I trust is my own 
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 15:57
My vote's for Crusty the clown. A far better public speaker than Mr Bean. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: asuma
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 21:54
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i'm voting for koddos ------------- *Remember all advice given by Asuma is for entertainment purposes only. Asuma is not a licensed medical doctor, psychologist, or counselor and he does not play one on TV.* |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 22:06
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Kang all the way! |
Posted By: asuma
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 22:09
boooooo ------------- *Remember all advice given by Asuma is for entertainment purposes only. Asuma is not a licensed medical doctor, psychologist, or counselor and he does not play one on TV.* |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 22:10
I'm voting for the first one who wears a Pink Floyd tee shirt... ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 23:20
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Yuck!
------------- break the circle reset my head wake the sleepwalker and i'll wake the dead |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 10 2004 at 03:34
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http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001"> Gotta love that bush... |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: August 10 2004 at 09:02
Can you really trust anyone who listens to the Third Ear Band  I didnŽt think so 
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: August 10 2004 at 09:04
Whatever happened to the musicscene in the UK after the 70s ??????????? Way back then 90% of all good music came from The UK. 
It took 20 years for USA to understand what great music was all about,
but after the neo prog movement in the UK, almost nuttin
?????????????
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: August 10 2004 at 10:57
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I'm voting for the first female candidate wearing a see-through Pink Floyd shirt.
And no bra ------------- Epic. |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: August 10 2004 at 11:54
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IŽll second that, a President with it all hanging out, great
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: August 10 2004 at 11:55
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Dark side of the nipple , Wow
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: August 10 2004 at 11:58
Reagan once said ; FACTS ARE STUPID THINGS and this moron we trust with our lifes.
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: emdiar
Date Posted: August 20 2004 at 11:36
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James; Thanks for your informative post. The situation you describe reminds me of the UK in the 80's. An entire decade spent crippled under the tiranical reign of the Thatcherite junta controlled police state. And why? Because all opposition was too tied up with its own dogmatic pedantry to proffer an electable alternative. Although I can't really see the sense in the USA's "2 terms and you're out" rule, we could have certainly done with it in '87.
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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: August 21 2004 at 01:38
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The two term limit serves some very important functions: the first term is for the president to trash his predecessor and plan his second term campaign, and the second term is to provide some kind of historical legacy and pass all sorts of nutty legislation (since they won't have to face the repercussions). Imagine what Bush could do if he didn't have to worry about getting elected again... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: emdiar
Date Posted: August 21 2004 at 04:25
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Exactly my point James. Personally, (and as a non-yank it's arguably none of my business, although it must be said, my own dear country catches a cold every time America sneezes) I could have stood Clinton for another term, despite his personality problems. The US has a real problem with its uptight public morallity. Had Clinton been president of France the Lewinski affair would have guaranteed him another term, where male weakness in the face of young female availability is seen as one of the inevitable facts of life. French women would have fancied him more (girls can't help loving a rogue), French men would have admired and envied him. What would the so-called moral majority have said at the time, of the antics of your most popular president of all time, JFK, had the CIA not been following him around cleaning up after him? Whether or not the job got too messy for them in the end is a matter for the grassy knoll conspiracy theorists. ------------- Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact. |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: August 21 2004 at 08:33
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No argument here- I don't understand how we can be so cyncial about politics and yet so unwilling to let politicians be human beings. We all expect them to lie, cheat and steal, but sex and drugs are immediate disqualifications (unless you're Marion Barry). Poor Ralph is having a bad time. The Dems are waging a secret war to keep him off the ballots while Bush supporters are actually trying to help his campaign. Seems both factions are so unsure of their own man that they're willing to tinker with Nader's candidacy. I still don't know if he'd make a good president, but he'd certainly provide some fresh debate- Bush and Kerry are closer to agreement on major issues than anyone is willing to admit. Getting pretty darn sick of the attention being paid to their Vietnam history. Kerry served in combat and realized what a mess the whole thing was. Bush got to stay home and obviously didn't learn a thing (he was watching Nixon and taking notes, I guess). Now everyone is waiting for the RNC (good job getting NYC to host- how about a little more worry for the Big Apple) to become what the DNC was in '68. All I know is there will probably be just as much or more police brutality (earned or not), even more fragmented pointless rhetoric, and the music won't be as good this time around. Oh yeah, and supposedly Iran is now looming in the sights of a disappointed US war machine. What can you imagine happening (or being made happen) before election day?
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Posted By: emdiar
Date Posted: August 21 2004 at 12:28
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Apart from the tragic loss of life and trauma to the world, one of the worst concequences of 9/11 was the fact that it gave the neocons the chance to take a full grasp of their puppet's strings and make him dance like a headless chicken (apols. for mixed metafor). They have used the window of panic-stricken opportunity to bring in all sorts of kneejerk foreign policies. They use, and even fan the flames of fear and paranoia to try and create the USA they always wanted. A bunch islamaphobic, gun toting, isolationist, white protestant males calling all the shots. This is not good for America or the rest of the world. It is good for the neocons and their ultra right cronies. "Oh yeah, and supposedly Iran is now looming in the sights of a disappointed US war machine. What can you imagine happening (or being made happen) before election day?" I shudder to think James. "Iran would be dangerous if they have a nuclear weapon." Glad you cleared that up Georgie boy. ------------- Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact. |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: August 21 2004 at 19:33
I kinda like the headless dancing chicken puppet image- reminds me of the dinner scene from "Eraserhead"  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: September 08 2004 at 23:09
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Democrats
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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: September 09 2004 at 08:50
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Hehe- you GOP guys will probably have the last laugh, as it looks like Kerry is falling asleep at the wheel. Not to mention that we still have an October Suprise to look forward to- perhaps a pre-arranged capture/ surrender, or maybe even an orchestrated homeland tragedy to give GWB the decisive edge in the polls. Luckily, between now and election day we have Silent Hill 4, Fable, and Halo 2 coming out for the Xbox...I'll be able to support one of the real rulers of the planet, Bill (All Hail Our Supreme Lord and Master) Gates. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: September 09 2004 at 15:03
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I love Bill Gates. I had this whole speech saved by him until my harddrive died. It was quite inspirational .....and I apologize for my democrat remark....all those anti Bush slams in this thread were getting the best of my emotions. |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: September 10 2004 at 05:14
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That's OK- I'm not a dem myself, so no offense taken. A lively discussion beats an apathetic consensus any day! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: September 16 2004 at 18:59
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No kidding
But in the other hand, there's nothing much you can do about Bush these days, he's definitely a basket case (the easy target)... I think Kerry's got this one already in his pocket (but there will always be time and facts to prove me wrong
------------- break the circle reset my head wake the sleepwalker and i'll wake the dead |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: September 16 2004 at 22:43
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Bush will win BIG....mark my words on that. Kerry is a wacko and the country is beginning to see it |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: September 17 2004 at 13:57
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It's sad that nobody who is really qualified to run the country would ever think of running...or make it through the twisted, entrenched obstacle course long enough to enter government. I know it's heresy, but maybe putting government in the hands of the people is really expecting too much from them. I know I've made many choices in my life that were foolish and potentially dangerous- why should the country have to suffer because a majority of the population collectively got wasted and took the wrong girl home? Metaphorically speaking, of course... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: September 17 2004 at 15:45
| I agree. I think the World should have just 1 emperor.....ME!...those who would disagree I would crush beneath my heel....All bow down and give reverence to GDUB!!!!!!!Hoorah!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: September 17 2004 at 15:52
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Cant you afford health insurance Greg? ------------- 
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: September 17 2004 at 16:05
I have awesome Health Insurance actually. Good Dental, Eye Coverage, Prescriptions 90% off....UPS Healthcare package rules!!!! But if I were Emperor I could have 100% prescriptions.....hmmm |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: September 17 2004 at 16:12
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We have a great cure-all here in the UK:it is called The National Health Service. It is the new name for Euthanasia. -------------
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: September 17 2004 at 16:14
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Euthanasia-now there's a name for the Prog Band Name Thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------
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Posted By: Eddy
Date Posted: September 26 2004 at 14:38
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bush, kerry, and even naphl all should be thrown into a fire pit, because all 3 of them dont deserve to be in the race. they alll stink.. all of them!
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Posted By: 5 minute solo
Date Posted: September 26 2004 at 15:13
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but if t'were not fot the democrats then the US could have been monumentally buggered by the depression ------------- You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon! |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: September 26 2004 at 20:44
| F.D.R. quick fix may have hurt things more in the long run. WWII got us out of the depression...not FDR and the dems. |
Posted By: 5 minute solo
Date Posted: September 27 2004 at 15:01
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but they had a bash and its the thought that counts. "prosperity is just around the corner"? my arse ------------- You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon! |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: September 27 2004 at 18:30
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There is no doubt that FDR was VERY popular...that is apparent by how many the times the guy was elected. Indeed the guy "meant" to do well but "good intentions" is no measure of weather or not his policies were sucessful or not. FDR is over-rated and his reputation is pumped up in our public schools as are all the democratic presidents "acheivements". There is no doubt our schools are biased way towards the left so the young and impressionable reader leaves school trying to wonder why anyone would be so "cold hearted" to vote republican" Theres an old saying...If you are under 30 and you are a republican, then you don't have a heart....If you are over 30 and you are a democrat, then you don't have a brain...not my words(but I do like the saying admittedly) so don't attack me please....
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Posted By: 5 minute solo
Date Posted: September 28 2004 at 13:40
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but for most of his time in the depression hoover just sat and did nothing. "don't worry fellas! it'll be alright if we just pretend it isn't there!"
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Posted By: 5 minute solo
Date Posted: September 28 2004 at 13:44
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amerika ist wunderbar ------------- You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon! |
Posted By: 5 minute solo
Date Posted: September 28 2004 at 13:50
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sing along with till linderman and co. ------------- You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon! |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: September 28 2004 at 13:57
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Actually I have read if we would have stuck with Hoover's plan we would have gotten out of that depression quicker. With that said people at the time were desperate and in serious need and FDR provided quick relief to these suffering people.... |
Posted By: 5 minute solo
Date Posted: September 28 2004 at 15:24
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we all live in amerika, amerika, ist wunderbar ------------- You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon! |
Posted By: 5 minute solo
Date Posted: September 28 2004 at 15:49
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as usual on this forum i am outwitted by the emoticons and am again proven wrong ------------- You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon! |