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Who’s of these the most "prog" writer?

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Topic: Who’s of these the most "prog" writer?
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Subject: Who’s of these the most "prog" writer?
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 16:08

I think three writers are in pole position: Dante Alighieri, Tolkien and Poe




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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 16:15

How could you have forgotten Cervantes? He and Rabelais spearheaded the novel.



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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 16:19
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

How could you have forgotten Cervantes? He and Rabelais spearheaded the novel.

BTW I was sure I would have forgotten someone!!: that's the proof! (there will be many others, I presume!!): anyway you can always post the name of the forgotten writer!!!



Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 16:25
Well, you can't have included everyone. Some other suggestions of mine would be Borges, Beckett and Nabokov. 

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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 16:30

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Well, you can't have included everyone. Some other suggestions of mine would be Borges, Beckett and Nabokov. 

I could have mentioned also Giovanni Verga, Ludovico Ariosto, Joseph Conrad and Samuel Coleridge!



Posted By: porter
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 17:44

hehehe.. what about T.S. Eliot? Reaaaaally prog!!

Since he's not here, I'll vote for James Joyce.



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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 17:48

This is an interesting concept, but I'm not sure of the reason behind most of these choices.

I would lump most of these: Shakespeare, Thomas Mann, Poe, Joyce, Melville, and others in with classical composers, not prog rock bands.

I would think that writers that compare to prog bands would be their contemporaries, like Calvino, Vonnegut, Moorcock, Ellison, Pynchon, Marquez, and others as well as some you've mentioned like Borges.



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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 18:20
J. R. R. Tolkein

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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 09:42
Neat idea! I don't think of say, Shakespeare, Virginia Woolf or James Joyce as being proggish. I'd say Tolkein.

I'd suggest Hermann Hesse as a possible addition to the list......


Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 09:49

Originally posted by Phil Phil wrote:

Neat idea! I don't think of say, Shakespeare, Virginia Woolf or James Joyce as being proggish. I'd say Tolkein.

I'd suggest Hermann Hesse as a possible addition to the list......

Thanks Phil!



Posted By: Peace Frog
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 15:41
Too bad I don't read too much. I voted Tolkien. Lord of The Rings is too long for me to read, but I really enjoyed what I read of it.

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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 21:18

I voted for Poe.

I recommend Brazilian writer Machado de Assis, a really proto-progger... many of his books are in English and other languages. Susan Sonntag and Kurt Vonnegut are (were) Machado's fans.



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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 21:57

No George Orwell or Ayn Rand?



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 22:07

Tolkien

and where is Bukowski?



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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 01:08

Franz Kafka is my choice (even when Poe and Dovtojevski are very close), I would add Jorge Luis Borges in the list.

About Kafka, I always believed The Trial by Kafka has been one main inspiration for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, both Mr K and Rael are the main characters of the plot and neither of them knows how or why they became part of it, both are betrayed by their friends and/or family, both try desperately to leave and keep getting deeper into and endless labyrinth with no escape.

Iván

 



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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 02:52

 I voted for F.M.  Dostoewski.Kafka is very close.Thomas Mann can be considered as well.

Borges , Hesse could be added, and even Garcia Marquez .



Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 03:06

YOU FORGOT ISAAC ASSIMOV!!!!

from your list , I chose Proust



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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 04:39

Poetic, epic, conceptual, with his mind in a secondary world, a master in major scale sagas as well as shorter stories, looking for inspiration in old sources, but using modern story telling techniques, popular among young as well as old...

That can only be one man... J.R.R. Tolkien.



Posted By: R.Darkmoon
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 21:59
There's no Garcia Marquez, Huxley, Asimov or even Jose Agustin (Mexican author search for his book "De Perfil") or Verne...


Well.. Kafka for me. Folowed by Poe, Aligheri and Dostoievsky


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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 02:57

 By the way,  William Blake is also missing.



Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 04:52
Kafka & Buzzati

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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: November 18 2005 at 05:12
I don't see any "prog" writer.

But i consider "Acid test" to be the most psychedelic "novel" (relating a true story):



Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 20:14

Originally posted by R.Darkmoon R.Darkmoon wrote:

There's no Garcia Marquez, Huxley, Asimov or even Jose Agustin (Mexican author search for his book "De Perfil") or Verne...


Well.. Kafka for me. Folowed by Poe, Aligheri and Dostoievsky

Hard to find Latiin American writters on this forums as it's hard to find British or USA writters on Latin forums, but agree with you García Marquez, Julio Cortazar, Jose Agustín (Even when more historic, maybe closer to Genesis ) or the Peruvian Mario Vargas Llosa (La Guerra del Fin del Mundo is an epic) are missing,

All the Real Wonderful Latin American Movement is very Proggy, because it blends  reality with fantasy as Prog blends influences.

Iván



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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 20:47
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Originally posted by R.Darkmoon R.Darkmoon wrote:

There's no Garcia Marquez, Huxley, Asimov or even Jose Agustin (Mexican author search for his book "De Perfil") or Verne...


Well.. Kafka for me. Folowed by Poe, Aligheri and Dostoievsky

Hard to find Latiin American writters on this forums as it's hard to find British or USA writters on Latin forums, but agree with you García Marquez, Julio Cortazar, Jose Agustín (Even when more historic, maybe closer to Genesis ) or the Peruvian Mario Vargas Llosa (La Guerra del Fin del Mundo is an epic) are missing,

All the Real Wonderful Latin American Movement is very Proggy, because it blends  reality with fantasy as Prog blends influences.

Iván

La Guerra del Fin del Mundo (The war at the end of the world) should be a tremendous prog-epic. Can you imagine a song talking about some people in the end of the 19th century waiting the return of a king disappeared in the 16th century. And it was real, not a fiction! Poor peasants in Brazil's innerland (circa 1895) defied the Republic and declared Dom Sebastian, a Portuguese king who disappeared in a battle in 1578 as their king. They fought a war and died believing in it (and other things por supuesto)!

 



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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 21:05

Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

La Guerra del Fin del Mundo (The war at the end of the world) should be a tremendous prog-epic. Can you imagine a song talking about some people in the end of the 19th century waiting the return of a king disappeared in the 16th century. And it was real, not a fiction! Poor peasants in Brazil's innerland (circa 1895) defied the Republic and declared Dom Sebastian, a Portuguese king who disappeared in a battle in 1578 as their king. They fought a war and died believing in it (and other things por supuesto)!

But it would take almost as many CD's as The Ring of the Nibelungen, because the book has almost 1,000 pages of incredible images and tradition, I only could read it when I had hepatitis A (Back in the early 90's), because I had to stay in bed for a month, and it took me several days, but it is so wonderful book that I didn't even saw TV just to finish it.

Iván



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Posted By: Ptah Khnemu
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 17:38

(Hi. First post.)

TOLKIEN!!!!!!



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