The one song that defines prog
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Topic: The one song that defines prog
Posted By: ThisWas
Subject: The one song that defines prog
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 12:42
| i really cant choose one, any ideas? |
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 12:45
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It's too wide a field for one song to define the genre. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 12:46
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heart of sunrise - yes or tarkus - elp ------------- We want... a shrubbery! |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 12:47
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Faint by Linkin Park!! Just Kidding! its like defining an ocean with a clam you caught............ ------------- 
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 12:52
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Green Day - Boulevard of Broken Dreams |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 13:02
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kryptonite- 3 doors down this is starting to become a mock topic.... tee hee!!!!!! -------------
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Posted By: Titan
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 13:04
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for example: PFM - Appena Un Po' perfect song to introduce prog IMO (for beginner) |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 14:27
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Sleepwalkers VdGG Larks Tongue in Aspic King Crimson Supper's Ready Genesis The Advent of Panurge Gentle Giant Tarkus ELP Thick As A Brick Jethro Tull
okay...I named 6....sue me.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 14:58
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Genesis - Firth of Fifth? It has both electronic and acoustic instruments, quiet and loud passages, great singing (soft and more aggressive) and great instrumental playing, it's lyrical content is surrealistic, it showcases fabulous group interaction but also wonderful solos (Banks & Hackett), it's a stretched out song with different passages but with a unifying theme... What do you think? |
Posted By: XTChuck
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:00
AMEN
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nimrodel wrote:Posted By: XTChuck
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:00
YOU SHOULD BE SHOT
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Posted By: Crushed Aria
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:01
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Rush - 2112 ------------- 
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Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:04
I would have liked saying it exactly the same way. That´s prog in it´s purest sense Sadly, "Dark side of the moon" is now 2nd. overall because it has greater prog elements in "On the run" and "Us and them"
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:10
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I'll go with "Firth of Fifth", but "Supper's Ready" has got it going on. Then there's always "21st Century Schizoid Man", "On Reflection" or "Echoes"... |
Posted By: Jamalama
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:21
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Thick as a Brick - Jethro Tull. If not, other runners would have to be Tarkus, 2112, maybe Close to the Edge. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:23
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Suppers Ready sums up prog rock better than any other song i know but i wouldent have a clue what would sum up the mettle side of things ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:30
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Invisible touch or Rime of the ancient marnier ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: daghrastubfari
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:48
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Ice Ice Baby well, Thick as a Brick is a quite genre-defining song I think |
Posted By: Pseud0
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:48
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close to the edge obviously
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Posted By: TURK182!
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:53
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Samuel Taylor Colleridge would be agree with "Rime of the ancient mariner" Nice powerslave alvatar (Or this could be half life?) ------------- "A Flower!!!" "If you go down to Willow farm, you look for Butterflies..." |
Posted By: theBox
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 15:56
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Don't forget that Gates Of Delerium easily defines prog!!!! From
genesis I would say can-utility and the coastliners (everything that
makes genesis a great band, in a nutshell) ------------- |
Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 16:07
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Karn Evil 9 Heart Of The Sunrise Close To The edge Echoes Dinosaur A Change Of Seasons Energy(out of future) Force Majeure Ghost Of Perdition Isis and Osiris Kings Of The Carnival Creation
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 16:13
For me any track in 'Ciclos' by Los Canarios is what prog is about. 
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Posted By: ThisWas
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 20:50
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i was leaning towards Suppers Ready or Firth of Fifth i cant really find the embodiment of prog |
Posted By: ThisWas
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 20:52
| im doing a project on prog for my guitar class, and want to play a song for all those who dont know what prog is. so thats why im asking |
Posted By: lizard
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 21:27
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Posted By: Mad Bass Player
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 21:52
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Hey, I was just thinking about this a few minutes ago. I would have to say Close to the Edge, but a lot of the famous epics would be good too (Echoes, 2112, Supper's Ready, and so on) ------------- "Mister Fripp, your music is quite different than everything else out there. In one word, how would you describe it?" "Progressive.... yeah, that's it..." |
Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 22:09
Dimmu Borgir an excellent representation of the genre of prog? I like Dimmu to some extent, but I don't even think they're prog, nevermind an ideal representation of the whole genre! I'd have to go with: Starless South Side of the Sky Thick as a Brick Supper's Ready Arriving Somewhere But Not Here (for big newbies) Pull Me Under (for metal fans) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists"> 
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Posted By: MANTICORE
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 22:10
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 22:19
So it's between:
But I could avoid N° 5. so my best choices are:
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 22:21
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There is no one song that defines prog
------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 22:31
| Karn evil nine would probably be a good way to do it, having three fairly distinct sections, solos for all three guys... and the length, of course. |
Posted By: The Lost Chord
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 23:00
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STAGNATION -------------  "Only the sun knew why"
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Posted By: MegaMoog
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 23:04
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I think Supper Ready is the sum of all prog even though it does not have the moog in it after that it would have to be Tarkus, or maybe even Echoes |
Posted By: Solids2k
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 23:20
| Close To The Edge by Yes is thee definitive progressive rock song. |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 23:30
Lost Chord has it- if you can define progressive music it is no longer progressive. Thankfully it is still progressing. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 23:30
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true... Prog is too diverse to be defined by one song OMO. For example, Supper's Ready doesn't define RIO, while both are equally prog. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: fender101
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 23:40
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I agree Gates is it for me, from sound effects, acoustic parts, electric/synth parts, fast slow. I suppose awaken is another one like this. Karn Evil 9 is my other choice ------------- Well McGarnical Billy is dead! They slit his throat from ear to ear! |
Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: October 25 2005 at 23:59
Thats exactly what I meant, I mean we can't say that one Dream Theater or Yes song can define a whole, wide-spread genre. If we did that, then we would leave out all of the Canterbury, Zheul, Krautrock, et al....genres. One song can not some up a diversified genre as prog, like you said. ------------- "Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression." -Merleau-Ponty |
Posted By: OT Räihälä
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 04:49
That's Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring or Firebird then. Oh, btw, does it have to be "rock"..? |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 05:04
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Can't give one song that defines prog (although if pushed CTTE might be
the nearest thing...). Can maybe give a song that is a good example of
prog. On that basis I'd suggest something like: Heart of the Sunrise, Firth of Fifth, or maybe Starless. Assuming the audience is not familiar with prog the suggestion of "Gates of Delirium" is a bit risky..... |
Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 05:09
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Gates of Delerium is ONLY for those well seasoned in prog!!!!! ------------- "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water" John 7:38 |
Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 05:29
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Gates of Delirium It is meant to be definitive rather than easily understood by the uninitiated ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 05:43
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Why not going back to the source and play "In The Court of The Crimson King" side one? 1) 21st Century Schizoid Man Starts with weird whispered noise, then suddenly explodes in a mix of jazz, rock and pionnering electronic effects to finish in a delirium of sounds. Rythm changes are frequent and unexpected. 2) I talked to the Wind From furor to accoustic gentleness, from distorted guitars and saxes to aerial flute and typical "prog" countertime drumming, merging into 3) Epitaph Prototypical symphonico-mellotronic epic That's all prog, for sure ------------- Pierre R, the man who lost his signature |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 09:05
To me, that smacks a bit of "prog-elite"!  I think it's a great track but it is an acquired taste and I don't think it's particularly representative.I also have memories of playing it in 6th form school common room and boy, did it bomb. |
Posted By: jefmoret
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 09:30
I agree to an extent...it seems a Medley or a series of extracts set up as a suite would work better to convey the overall mindset of the format. Something to allow for multiple songs within one... |
Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 09:35
Another suggestion: you play "YMCA" by Village People. Then you play anything else. whatever you play next will sound prog ------------- Pierre R, the man who lost his signature |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 10:31
| I don't think you can define a whole genre through a single song. Anyway, if I were to choose, I'd pick KC's Epitaph - at least as far as symphonic prog is concerned. |
Posted By: UncleMeat
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 15:08
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Prog is to diverse to be defined by one song. But I always considered
In the Court of the Crimson King as an Archetypical prog song
------------- Music Is The Best |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 15:12
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If I HAD TO pick one, it would be KNOTS by Gentle Giant |
Posted By: zabriskiepoint
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 16:29
| Echos by Pink Floyd. |
Posted By: Murder1
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 16:41
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Posted By: Catholic Flame
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 16:49
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Yes, 2112 or Xanadu. ------------- “Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends and fads and popular opinion.” ~Jack Kerouac |
Posted By: cojo150
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 17:07
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you shouldn't try and pick a song you should go for an album that defines it - in other words - Court of the Crimson King - mind you it probably needs 'On The Run' by Pink Floyd to completely make it the piece.
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 17:42
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Lou Reed - "Metal Machine Music, Part III" ------------- 
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Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: October 26 2005 at 21:40
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God, by group would have been easier! I agree that not one song defines the genre - perhaps an album (or am I getting myself into deeper waters there??!) For me, it would be between Close To The Edge, Supper's ready or even Awaken.
MPA ------------- As eyes see young stars assemble |
Posted By: hcnoer
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 12:39
| The Revealing Science of God |
Posted By: Saviorts
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 12:50
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"The Advent of Panurge" is the first song I had heard by Gentle Giant
and the song that inspired me to check out all the other offerings of
classic prog. Though Relayer was the first prog album I had ever listened to. If the topic was on album instead of song I'd probably choose Relayer. 
------------- For the love of goldens. |
Posted By: Harlequin
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 15:26
This would get my vote too. I saw the Yes tribute band Fragile last night. The one piece that my hair stand on end was during a medley when they made the transition from "the fish" into Gates of Delirium including the "soon" passage. Despite playing the whole Close to the Edge album, it was Gates that was the all too brief highlight. Superb show all round by the way. Two and a half hours of live Yes played by excellent musicians. ------------- Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Wisdom is not truth Truth is not beauty Beauty is not love Love is not music Music is the best... |
Posted By: ProgPartin
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 15:44
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Supper's Ready or Heart of the Sunrise. Flip a coin. Both of these
songs hold so much of what Prog is and what it can do. I have used both
to expose many people to Prog. I have also used A Passion Play which
would fit either song or album catagory. |
Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 21:01
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The best song to introduce people to prog would be Roundabout I think. It has got that catchy bassline and some catchy vocals too. The song that most defines the genre is 21st Century Schizoid man. ------------- I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon... |
Posted By: Mr_Upside_Down
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 21:53
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Spock's Beard - At the End of the Day I cannot believe this has not been mentioned yet! For my money, this is the quintessential prog song - it has a bit of everything, and not too much of anything... which is exactly what *good* prog is all about. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 28 2005 at 21:58
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A good example of a song that defines all quadrants of Prog, I would have to say Dream Theater- Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. It isn't just Prog Metal, but also has parts where it directly relates to other Prog artists. Great song too by the way! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 00:52
LOL If somebody asks me what is Progressive ROCK, I should assume the Rock part is very clear in the name of the genre, everybody knows what Rock is, the normal doubt is in the word Progressive. Do you want me to be more explicit? Iván BTW: Stravinsky is a great Prog' influence, his dramatic and unexpected variations are simply the closest Classical Music can get to Prog Rock. -------------
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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 06:55
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Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 07:24
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Five suggestions, in no particular order: - "Suppers ready" - "Close to the Edge" - "Thick as a Brick" - "A Plague of the Lighthouse Keepers" - "The Valentyne Suite" ------------- "He's a man of the past and one of the present" PETER HAMMILL |
Posted By: Martin.W
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 12:17
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Tracks by all the usual suspect have been mentioned - KC, Floyd, DT, Genesis, Yes, Rush, ELP, Gentle Giant et al - so just to be an awkward so & so, why not compile THE DEFINITIVE PROG SAMPLER/INTRO...who knows where this might lead??? ------------- Mart, the Old Progger is Listening to: Opeth - Ghost Reveries Roy Harper - Stormcock Yes - Topographic Oceans Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking Steve Hillage - L Hawkwind - 1st LP |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: October 29 2005 at 17:29
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Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: October 30 2005 at 03:41
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pink floyd - Echoes |
Posted By: Soulman
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 00:43
Oh come on, if you're going to pick a Spock's Beard Song that defines the genre of prog, you could've picked a better one  .
How about the Good Don't Last!...well then again, I might agree with
you. That song does seem to mix alot of seperate genres into one song.The most appealing prog song ever! |
Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 00:46
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First and foremost, i have to say 21st Century Schizoid Man + Suppers Ready Close To The Edge A Plague Of Lighthouse keepers ...pretty much the basics ------------- 
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Posted By: Soulman
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 00:50
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^^^ Why 21st Century Schizoid Man? That song is sooo bluesy and that's not even what prog has evolved into. |
Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 00:53
The chorus is bluesy maybe but the instrumental in the middle is pure prog! And honestly the song is MUCH more jazzy than it is blues, but undoubtedly prog!-------------
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Posted By: Soulman
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 00:54
| Iono I tend to disagree. The middle part is just like a fast swing/blues riff. The only thing that's proggy about that song is the atmospheric beginning and crashing end. |
Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 00:58
So the noises at the beggining are prog but the instrumental section is not .. ? I dont register. -------------
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 00:59
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but its prog definitely -------------
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Posted By: AngleofRepose
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 01:09
| Supper's Ready |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 01:59
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Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 02:42
Good choice. It was one of my introductions to prog. ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 12:32
| I don't think there is any song that could be able to define prog-rock. But in general the most experimental (and in my opinion most progressive) bands I have ever heard are Gentle Giant and ELP. |
Posted By: Peace Frog
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:33
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Pink Floyd- Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast
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Posted By: Aerandir
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:57
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hmmm i would go for old prog Yes - Close to the Edge new prog : Transatlantic - Stranger in your Soul ------------- That which doesn't kill you, postpones the inevitable |
Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:15
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I'm torn.... CLOSE TO THE EDGE, SUPPER'S READY, SHINE ON YOU CRAZY DIAMOND, THICK AS A BRICK, 2112 ------------- Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can |
Posted By: Fusioned
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:23
AGREED! ------------- +FUSIONED+ 
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Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:25
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King Crimson - "Starless" -------------
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Posted By: Ipacial Section
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:19
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Radiohead - The National Anthem
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Posted By: B3Brad
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 17:42
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Yes-Yours Is No Disgrace Chicago-Introduction Genesis-Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
Whenever I listen to the above songs, the thought always crosses my mind as these sounding like prog. I mean, these songs just have 'the prog sound,' if you know what I mean. The time shifts, changes in key or instrumentation, varying phases, and virtuoso musicianship. ------------- 'So Frank, you have long hair. Does that make you a woman?' 'You have a wooden leg. Does that make you a table?' |
Posted By: Korova
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 18:27
Britney Spears - Toxic to define something is easier to find its contrary ------------- La Speranza della coscienza è forza La Speranza del sentimento è schiavitù La Speranza del corpo è malattia (G.I. Gurdjieff) |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 18:37
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SUPPER'S READY!!! ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
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Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 18:59
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Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 21:46
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there are a few Amon Duul II tracks that i think define it well 1. Cerberus 2. Sleepwalkers Timeless Bridge 3. Wie der Wind am Ende einer Strasse
Aaron
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Posted By: nick63
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 03:22
That is a hard question, would i choose for
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