Dutch Symphonic & Progressive Metal: 5th Album
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Topic: Dutch Symphonic & Progressive Metal: 5th Album
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: Dutch Symphonic & Progressive Metal: 5th Album
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 03:59
2007: After Forever - After Forever - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw9aKQO1O6o" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw9aKQO1O6o 2025: The Aurora Project - EVOS12 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lA9Z7lA9b_9dAhr7w7qwtvH0GH3MumcNQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lA9Z7lA9b_9dAhr7w7qwtvH0GH3MumcNQ 2011: Autumn - Cold Comfort - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kJsmOif4Hb0F2n6Y63XYNc2OxFa4PsyCo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kJsmOif4Hb0F2n6Y63XYNc2OxFa4PsyCo 2000: Ayreon - Universal Migrator Part 2: Flight of the Navigator - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvWTIYnQcuY" rel="nofollow - 2011: Consortium Project V - Species - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL44gxJwuwoabMKkUadU8dbi4hIjPoDup7" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL44gxJwuwoabMKkUadU8dbi4hIjPoDup7 2016: Delain - Moonbathers - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmTCnIR34Us_GjHN0VyH1JfkFe8BTjaZF" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmTCnIR34Us_GjHN0VyH1JfkFe8BTjaZF  1998: Elegy - Manifestation of Fear - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l06xQjFYulZ1N8YRiTqAgoTKQkUOTTWcU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l06xQjFYulZ1N8YRiTqAgoTKQkUOTTWcU 2009: Epica - Design Your Universe - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kmliCI8lj2J57-UsNcl0fO1JfREFmN8W8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kmliCI8lj2J57-UsNcl0fO1JfREFmN8W8 1998: The Gathering - How to Measure a Planet - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ko4uPNmb198zvWfavfFVO7MODLPVQFaP4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ko4uPNmb198zvWfavfFVO7MODLPVQFaP4  2024: Kingfisher Sky - Feeding the Wolves - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kyMAgCwRRe39-n2CH_s77s6nEvyw9RoEQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kyMAgCwRRe39-n2CH_s77s6nEvyw9RoEQ  2022: Mendel - Equilibrium - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kuEXUjJc1CV6d8OFlimntij4IFI-a4Yek" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kuEXUjJc1CV6d8OFlimntij4IFI-a4Yek  2008: Within Temptation - Black Symphony - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l6g-uu6ydwSw9nHE_S-1TG_t4I7RVo638" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l6g-uu6ydwSw9nHE_S-1TG_t4I7RVo638
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 04:06
The Gathering - How to Measure a Planet
very honorable mentions for Elegy & Mendel. 
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 04:12
I'm going with Epica... I think that's their best. After Forever in 2nd place.
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted By: Enchant X
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 04:15
The Gathering - How to Measure a Planet
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 04:18
Cristi wrote:
The Gathering - How to Measure a Planet
very honorable mentions for Elegy & Mendel.  |
It's nice to see the return of a cute cat in your profile pic. 
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 05:15
The Gathering gets the nod.
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 05:22
I must try this Gathering lot….
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 10:22
Within Temptation - Black Symphony
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 13:38
Ayreon again. I'm mostly made of mollusks and dresser drawers.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 17:42
The Gathering's How To Measure A Planet. That four album run is pretty awesome, from Mandylion to If Then Else, with Nighttime Birds and this featured album in between. How abut that 28 1/2 minute title track! Good memories.
------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 21:48
The Aurora Project - EVOS12
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 01:06
1. Within Temptation - Black Symphony
2. The Aurora Project - EVOS12 3. Epica - Design Your Universe 4. The Gathering - How to Measure a Planet
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 03:15
essexboyinwales wrote:
I must try this Gathering lot…. |
I think the main reason for their popularity in this poll is that a) they really don't sound like any of the other bands b) are more 'progressive' than most and c) they aren't metal... 
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------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 03:21
Jared wrote:
essexboyinwales wrote:
I must try this Gathering lot…. |
I think the main reason for their popularity in this poll is that a) they really don't sound like any of the other bands b) are more 'progressive' than most and c) they aren't metal...  |
Well they were metal in the 90s, HTMAP being the first album they distanced from metal and they continued to do that on their coming albums.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 06:40
^ Funny I was considering this last night when I noticed they are listed under Post Metal which surprised me. I almost think Heavy Prog is more their style, but they also went from that heavy sound of Mandylion and Nighttime Birds to a more atmospheric sound even trip hop stuff as the years went by. I spun the two albums I mentioned last night and man I dig their sound. Heavy and plodding with that angel singing over top. I have How To Measure A Planet? up today. They just don't seem to fit Post Metal when I look at the other bands in that sub genre. Just my opinion. And that looks like a model cat. Love cats! Mine has fleas right now.
------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 06:46
Mellotron Storm wrote:
^ Funny I was considering this last night when I noticed they are listed under Post Metal which surprised me. I almost think Heavy Prog is more their style, but they also went from that heavy sound of Mandylion and Nighttime Birds to a more atmospheric sound even trip hop stuff as the years went by. I spun the two albums I mentioned last night and man I dig their sound. Heavy and plodding with that angel singing over top. I have How To Measure A Planet? up today. They just don't seem to fit Post Metal when I look at the other bands in that sub genre. Just my opinion. And that looks like a model cat. Love cats! Mine has fleas right now.  | < defer="" ="https://static.cloudflareinsights.com/beacon.min.js/vcd15cbe7772f49c399c6a5babf22c1241717689176015" integrity="sha512-ZpsOmlRQV6y907TI0dKBHq9Md29nnaEIPlkf84rnaERnq6zvWvPUqr2ft8M1aS28on72PdrCzSjY4U6VaAw1EQ==" -cf-beacon=""rayId":"92ea91c27bc2237b","Timing":"name":"cfExtPri":true,"cfL4":true,"cfSpeedBrain":true,"cfCacheStatus":true,"version":"2025.3.0","token":"717409392a644498b4dbcbfbeafd4181"" crossorigin="anonymous">
Here's how metalstorm tags them. Not bad...  1989-1992 Death doom metal 1993-1994 Doom metal 1995-1997 Atmospheric gothic metal 1998- Experimental rock
I thought they'd tag them as atmospheric rock in their post 1998 sound, as they did with Anathema. It would be accurate as well IMO. oh well...
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 07:16
^ The Gathering and Kingfisher Sky represent the lighter side of Dutch Metal - Aluminium Metal maybe.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 12:48
Cristi wrote:
Mellotron Storm wrote:
^ Funny I was considering this last night when I noticed they are listed under Post Metal which surprised me. I almost think Heavy Prog is more their style, but they also went from that heavy sound of Mandylion and Nighttime Birds to a more atmospheric sound even trip hop stuff as the years went by. I spun the two albums I mentioned last night and man I dig their sound. Heavy and plodding with that angel singing over top. I have How To Measure A Planet? up today. They just don't seem to fit Post Metal when I look at the other bands in that sub genre. Just my opinion. And that looks like a model cat. Love cats! Mine has fleas right now.  | < defer="" ="https://static.cloudflareinsights.com/beacon.min.js/vcd15cbe7772f49c399c6a5babf22c1241717689176015" integrity="sha512-ZpsOmlRQV6y907TI0dKBHq9Md29nnaEIPlkf84rnaERnq6zvWvPUqr2ft8M1aS28on72PdrCzSjY4U6VaAw1EQ==" -cf-beacon=""rayId":"92ea91c27bc2237b","Timing":"name":"cfExtPri":true,"cfL4":true,"cfSpeedBrain":true,"cfCacheStatus":true,"version":"2025.3.0","token":"717409392a644498b4dbcbfbeafd4181"" crossorigin="anonymous">
Here's how metalstorm tags them. Not bad...  1989-1992<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Death doom metal 1993-1994<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Doom metal 1995-1997<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Atmospheric gothic metal 1998-<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Experimental rock
I thought they'd tag them as atmospheric rock in their post 1998 sound, as they did with Anathema. It would be accurate as well IMO. oh well... |
I appreciate that list from metalstorm Cristi, it at least makes me understand the rational here to put them in Post Metal. I keep forgetting about those two earlier albums, and a band is usually placed in the sub genre they start out in. Not always, but I guess their sound on those first two were like My Dying Bride and the like?
------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 16:13
Mellotron Storm wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Mellotron Storm wrote:
^ Funny I was considering this last night when I noticed they are listed under Post Metal which surprised me. I almost think Heavy Prog is more their style, but they also went from that heavy sound of Mandylion and Nighttime Birds to a more atmospheric sound even trip hop stuff as the years went by. I spun the two albums I mentioned last night and man I dig their sound. Heavy and plodding with that angel singing over top. I have How To Measure A Planet? up today. They just don't seem to fit Post Metal when I look at the other bands in that sub genre. Just my opinion. And that looks like a model cat. Love cats! Mine has fleas right now.  | < defer="" ="https://static.cloudflareinsights.com/beacon.min.js/vcd15cbe7772f49c399c6a5babf22c1241717689176015" integrity="sha512-ZpsOmlRQV6y907TI0dKBHq9Md29nnaEIPlkf84rnaERnq6zvWvPUqr2ft8M1aS28on72PdrCzSjY4U6VaAw1EQ==" -cf-beacon=""rayId":"92ea91c27bc2237b","Timing":"name":"cfExtPri":true,"cfL4":true,"cfSpeedBrain":true,"cfCacheStatus":true,"version":"2025.3.0","token":"717409392a644498b4dbcbfbeafd4181"" crossorigin="anonymous">
Here's how metalstorm tags them. Not bad...  1989-1992<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Death doom metal 1993-1994<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Doom metal 1995-1997<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Atmospheric gothic metal 1998-<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Experimental rock
I thought they'd tag them as atmospheric rock in their post 1998 sound, as they did with Anathema. It would be accurate as well IMO. oh well... |
I appreciate that list from metalstorm Cristi, it at least makes me understand the rational here to put them in Post Metal. I keep forgetting about those two earlier albums, and a band is usually placed in the sub genre they start out in. Not always, but I guess their sound on those first two were like My Dying Bride and the like? | < defer="" ="https://static.cloudflareinsights.com/beacon.min.js/vcd15cbe7772f49c399c6a5babf22c1241717689176015" integrity="sha512-ZpsOmlRQV6y907TI0dKBHq9Md29nnaEIPlkf84rnaERnq6zvWvPUqr2ft8M1aS28on72PdrCzSjY4U6VaAw1EQ==" -cf-beacon=""rayId":"92edcd9e8ff611b2","Timing":"name":"cfExtPri":true,"cfL4":true,"cfSpeedBrain":true,"cfCacheStatus":true,"version":"2025.3.0","token":"717409392a644498b4dbcbfbeafd4181"" crossorigin="anonymous">
I think their debut was influenced by Paradise Lost's 1991 album Gothic, but i think The Gathering improved on that formula. I've always loved that album, both as a 90s kid and an adult listener.
Their second album was a strange release because they could not maintain a stable line-up. That was the result, not bad but not that good kind of album, go figure...
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 12 2025 at 00:59
Cristi wrote:
Mellotron Storm wrote:
^ Funny I was considering this last night when I noticed they are listed under Post Metal which surprised me. I almost think Heavy Prog is more their style, but they also went from that heavy sound of Mandylion and Nighttime Birds to a more atmospheric sound even trip hop stuff as the years went by. I spun the two albums I mentioned last night and man I dig their sound. Heavy and plodding with that angel singing over top. I have How To Measure A Planet? up today. They just don't seem to fit Post Metal when I look at the other bands in that sub genre. Just my opinion. And that looks like a model cat. Love cats! Mine has fleas right now.  |
Here's how metalstorm tags them. Not bad...  1989-1992 Death doom metal 1993-1994 Doom metal 1995-1997 Atmospheric gothic metal 1998- Experimental rock
I thought they'd tag them as atmospheric rock in their post 1998 sound, as they did with Anathema. It would be accurate as well IMO. oh well... |
I must admit, I never listened to any of their albums prior to Mandylion (their best imho) and do see their style as experimental atmospheric rock.. it would be a good tag.
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------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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