Biggest sound changes between albums
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Topic: Biggest sound changes between albums
Posted By: Faul_McCartney
Subject: Biggest sound changes between albums
Date Posted: April 07 2025 at 23:57
| What albums do you think had the biggest change in sound from the band's previous? Genesis' debut to "Trespass" was a big leap. "Obscured by Clouds" to DSotM wasn't as dramatic, but still a big change. Bowie's "Station to Station" to "Low" might be the biggest. (I wouldn't count albums with a gap longer than 5 years, because that's kind of cheating. Otherwise it would be "Red" to "Discipline".) |
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Posted By: Starjet
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 02:52
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Interesting topic, thanks. I would suggest:Pendragon, from Not Of This World to Believe and Rush from Hemispheres to Permanent Waves
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 03:08
After some thought, I'd give the biggest change in approach and sound to the Beach Boys' brilliant art-pop of Pet Sounds followed by the astounding if unfinished Smiley Smile. These two releases in 1966 and '67 (separated by two best-of LPs), were also among the first fully formed progressive rock albums. Zappa's Mothers would also contribute strongly with Absolutely Free in May of '67, and Pink Floyd's The Piper at the Gates of Dawn in August the same year would cement the English prog footprint, and the rest is history . . .  ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 06:29
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Islands to Larks Tongues In Aspic is the correct answer, followed by Red to Discipline. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 06:32
Genesis - We Can't Dance & Calling All Stations, sounding like two different bands altogether. 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 07:07
| Triumvirat - from Pompeii to À La Carte... |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 07:31
Hi, Nice choices, however the GONG choice should not count ... Steve Hillage, Daevid Allen and Gilly Smith had left, and Pierre Moerlin seemed to take over and take things his own way ... which was vastly different than any of Gong's albums before. It was no longer the same band at all ... specially as the two guitarists left. In some ways, "Shamal" feels like a Mike Howlett album more than a Gong album ... even though the production is given to Nick Mason ... which made the album really clean and special. I have to admit that I can not add a lot to this idea for a topic, as I have always considered the named entity a "composer" not a rock band that changed ways and means ... it feels like we end up telling Beethoven that he can not invent something new ... and that is not what music, or the arts, is really about. To me, this incarnation of GONG is still part of the life and love that we had for GONG, different or not, although it was pretty clear that without Daevid Allen's ideas and concept, there was not much for GONG to do, and while the music was really nice, in the end, it felt a bit empty. It was kinda scary, too , since GONG with Pierre had a very hard rock edge that was really good (2nd American tour!!!) compared to Pip (1st American tour) or their 1999 tour, with a different drummer. That Shamal, kinda brought out material that was a bit more towards the jazzy side was interesting, not that GONG did not have that touch or link to the early Canterburians, of which Daevid was one until he could not re-enter England, that didn't want any more hippies in their country! The drugs were an excuse!
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hubertian wrote:Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 07:40
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Deep Purple - "Concerto for Group and Orchestra" to "In Rock". Moody Blues - "Go Now" to "Days of Future Passed" |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 07:42
Even from the self-titled last album with Rod Evans to In Rock. (Concerto was a once and done experiment, also a live album) |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 07:48
Could also add Genesis W&W to ATTWT and from Duke to Abacrap Rush from Hemispheres to Permanent Waves and from Pictures (or Signals) to GUP
You could say that for Procol with Edmonton & Grand Hotel, I guess But anyways from DP's s/t (mkI) to In Rock (mk2) would do it. . ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: TerLJack
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 07:48
Oh yes. From snap to crap.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 07:55
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In the case of Van der Graaf Generator, there were a number of distinct changes: The Aerosol Grey Machine to The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Pawn Hearts to Godbluff World Record to The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome Although a 28 year interval: The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome to Present A Grounding In Numbers to ALT ALT to Do Not Disturb Actually, there wasn't such a big change from A Grounding In Numbers to Do Not Disturb, just that ALT was an odd one out in the middle. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: TerLJack
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 07:57
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Will add: Ambrosia - Somewhere I've Never Travelled to Life Beyond LA and more 'snap' to crap... Starcastle - Citadel to Real to Reel Angel - S/T - Helluva Band to On Earth As It Is In Heaven (I believe it is this "progression/degression" that keeps them out of ProgArchives. The first two records are great!)
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 08:00
Unfortunately
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 08:20
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Vangelis: Earth to Heaven & Hell ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: DoobieBrother6
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 08:41
| Home : The Alchemist , Pause For A Hoarse Horse |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 09:08
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^ true, but then again Pink Floyd was trying to do something different with every release.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 09:14
Jean Michelle Jarre - Magnetic Fields  to Music for Supermarkets. 
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Posted By: Criswell
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 09:26
| Strawbs - Dragonfly to From the Witchwood (enter Rick Wakeman) |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 09:31
A bit unfair Paul. Zoolook is not everyone's cup of tea but very creative and original. I've also always had a liking for Rendez-Vous, not so much Revolutions or Cousteau but Chronology is quite good... certainly very hit and miss after that, I'd agree. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 09:36
But I never even mentioned Zoolook.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 09:41
Well, Magnetic Fields being his 3rd album, the inference is that you're referring to anything after that as sounding like 'Music for Supermarkets' otherwise you'd have mentioned the last album you enjoyed? ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 09:51
Vangelis, every album compared to Invisible Connections (maybe Beaubourg is a bit closer) ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 09:58
'Music for Supermarkets' is an album with a strange history. it seems JMJ does not want to have to do anything with it.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 09:59
No, Music for Supermarkets is unique amongst JMJ albums, but not in a good way.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 10:09
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I don't know about biggest, but to go with two albums I love in PA, I think that Radiohead's OK Computer to Kid A was a significant shift. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 10:22
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Tangerine Dream sounds like three different bands with three consecutive releases: Cyclone (1978) (vocals, woodwinds, Mellotron, Rhodes, synths, guitars, drumkit) Force Majeure (1979) (acoustic piano, synths, guitar, cello, drumkit) Tangram (1980) (synths, guitar, electronic percussion) ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Faul_McCartney
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 10:41
| In Camera to Nadir's Big Chance is another one that comes to mind. If we count Peter Hammill and VDGG together, then Nadir and Godbluff are worlds apart! |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 10:54
Many apologies.... I confess I had never even heard of this; it appears to be listed Fan Club/ Promo section. Well, you learn something new every day! ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 10:57
agreed... I simply can't get my head around the minimalism of IC. Attempting to find a tonal connection between each note played causes both my brain cells to short circuit at the same time...  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 11:07
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 11:09
| The Dedalus debut album to their second album Materiale .... from absolutely brilliant jazz rock fusion to totally -totally avant guard silliness.... |
Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 11:36
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A few other examples worthy of mention... Miles Davis: In a Silent Way (1969) to Bitches Brew (1970) Gentle Giant: Interview (1976) to The Missing Piece (1977) Gryphon: Raindance (1975) to Treason (1977) Le Orme: Storia O Leggenda (1977) to Florian (1979) Le Orme again: Piccola Rapsodia Dell'Ape (1980) to Venerdi (1982) Renaissance: Illusion (1971) to Prologue (1972) ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 11:42
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Also, how about... Yes: Keys to Ascension 1 and 2 (1996-1997) to Open Your Eyes (1997) ...? ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 13:20
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 13:26
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Spooky Tooth - From Spooky Too to Ceremony - or from Blues Rock to Musique Concrete (with Pierre Henry) - and both in the same year too.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 13:37
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I always thought the transition from ELO (No Answer in the U.S.) to ELO 2 was a bit of a sound change. No doubt, a lot of that must have been Roy Wood's departure during the recording of the second one. Present's La poison qui rend fou to C.O.D. Performance was a shift I didn't think much of. Glad they returned to form with Certitudes. And of course, there is Jethro Tull's Stormwatch to A and The Broadsword and the Beast to Under Wraps, and then to Crest of a Knave. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 13:46
| I've always been taken aback by the sound change of Richard Wright's major contribution on Wish You Were Here to becoming a backing accompanist on Animals. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 22:39
agreed but also The Bends to OK Computer took a major leap from Alt rock to Art rock. Kid A always seemed to me a reaction to the music press calling them 'prog' after OK Computer.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 22:42
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Brain Salad Surgery to Works Volume One Electronic to mainly acoustic/orchestral sound excepting Fanfare For The Common Man which apparently was only put on the album due to record company pressure but that was still a bit oddball.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: April 08 2025 at 23:06
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From Moving Pictures to Signals. A huge shift in sound with the synths dominating on Signals. And this was personal for me. Signals was so different, I just couldn't get into it back then, but taking a break from it and then returning for round two at least allowed me to appreciate it for what it is. I started to like the songs. And it grew from there. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 08:16
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Hi, This is a scary OP and theme for me. It feels like we're saying that bands/folks can not change with the times and their music, and do something they want, rather than have to "sound" like they did the previous album, as it seems to be the issue here ... wanting the band to sound "the same". For me, it's like we have ignored the history of the arts in the 20th century where CHANGES is what it was all about, be it because of a war, or simply a reactionary thing. And here we are, as if we do not allow a band to create something different ... because it isn't our preferred mode or idea. No one has suggested that, as far as I can tell, which is easier to handle, but, again, I really think that an artist needs the freedom to do what they are capable of doing, and that means that changing, should be allowed ... and expected! Many of the bands listed changed, and I consider many of them good changes, although I did not specifically think one band changed for the better or the worse, though I think that Hawkwind going back to the better known writer, took away a lot of really nice things that the band had been doing, and ASAM is a fantastic album, with the 2 very special long cuts on side 1 of the album. And breaking it all "back" seemed strange and I did not exactly think their next album was better ... to my ears, it sort of became very cartoonish all of a sudden, and Hawkwind, was NOT a cartoon band for me. So, yeah, that change was nuts. Other changes were more natural ... GONG is an example, and perhaps looking for a new identity. Mike Oldfield, was probably under the need to get an album that sold, as if Incantations was too big and not something fans loved ... I, personally, think its one of his best albums. PF is not much of a change. Animals was vastly different from how the band had been playing the 2 pieces from "Animals" which showed that RW was now in control, and changed the pieces into something else. Previously "You Gotta Be Crazy" was a very "space rock" thing, but folks here seem to appreciate the redo, and not the original. The redo was very obvious a RW thing! Both Mahavishnu and RtF had what I consider natural changes. Steve Hillage's changes were tough for me, as I liked his previous albums and excellent rock music, but it was obvious that he was changing to something else. Again, other than PF, I kinda think that most changes were just fine for me, though I had already fallen off MO, for example, at the time, and I really didn't care for what Hawkwind did for years, until Electric Tepee when they became an Ambient Acid Rock band, and that album had the appeal and attack that Space Ritual did some 20 years before ... but sadly it is not heard, and it really makes "metal" sound like crap! It is that hard, and their next album had excellent things as well, as they extended the ambient thing. But the continuous redoing and re-releases of a lot of their early stuff, kinda ended Hawkwind for me. The Moody Blues I had already fallen out of it, before I even got to European stuff in 1972 ... the band had become a joke, and it wasn't neat poetry anymore, it was about being hip and cool now, and the music lost a lot of its meaning for me. Steve Hackett was a come down, in my book after the first album, as soon as he figured out that some fans wanted songs ... ciao baby ... there was better music all over Europe!
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Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 08:27
| King Crimson have been specialists (Fripp at least has) in gestaltic changes: Islands, LTIA, Discipline, and counting. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 08:35
The OP does not condemn anything or anyone. Sometimes bands/artists change their sound, for the better or worse (they create something that is poorly received by their audience, sell-out or go with a trend, or more often than not create something uninspired).
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 08:46
Indeed, and I actually thought of that when writing the above post, but then thought that maybe The Bends would be better thought of as more of a transitional album between Pablo Honey (an often underrated album to me, by the way) and OK Computer. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: Faul_McCartney
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 10:17
I definitely don't mean it like that! King Crimson and David Bowie are some of my favorite musicians and they change more than almost anyone! Honestly I'd much rather listen to King Crimson in the 90s or 2000s then any band who tried to stick to the same sound. ------------- "Art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable.” |
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Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 10:31
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 10:51
^ Came up before, and I agree.
I did not take it the way Pedro took it. Some changes I like, some I don't. I commonly respect artists/acts where the sound/approach/styles change, they try different things, experiment, can adapt to circumstances. And people change, people get other interests. I appreciate creativity and innovation generally, experimentation, as well as adaptation often. My example of Radiohead's OK Computer to Kid A encompasses two albums I love. Bowie too is a favourite of mine. Robert Wyatt's End of an Ear to Rock Bottom is another that came to my mind although both have forms of Canterbury experimentation and similarities. Of course Wyatt changed. Was just a thought. Swans is a band I often go on about, and I find Holy Money to Children of God significantly different and a big change between Children of God and The Burning World... And My Father Will Guide Me Up a Rope to the Sky to The Seer show significant differences. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 11:49
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And right now I am listening to Fishmans' Uchu Nippon Setagaya (its last studio album) and this is big change from its former Long Season, and Long Season was different from Something in the Air. Wonderful band, imo. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 11:49
Hi, It wasn't meant to sound bad, after all what I said was that the century was all about changes, so why would I say that I did not like the changes? I didn't. I merely stood up for the artistry, and that changes should be expected, or we will just have the band recreate their same everything ... and seeing KC change so much with different musicians was nice and very enjoyable in my book, and a good show as to how things can be done and work just fine. Weird that some of you thought I took it badly ... not many folks here, for example, spend as much time talking and promoting new music so much ... and it's hard to not think that it is not being read because it is too long and I try to explain myself and my reasons!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 12:44
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Okay, I'll try to break it down, and sorry if I sound excessively negative. I had read your whole post before and will break it down to see if I misunderstood your concerns. It is so easy to lose context when not quoting in full or taking a whole piece in full (paragraphs and sentences in posts can be like songs in albums, the sum is greater than its parts, and you need the whole commonly to understand the part, which is why when quoting here I commonly prefer quoting in full and in toto rather than broken up). You did not say you did not like the changes, did anyone claim you did?, but you seems again to make assumptions about some generalised "we" that I think most exists in your mind. I wish you would stop talking about what you think we think, or should think and feel, and talk from yourself as yourself.
I don't see the premise or OP as scary or see that "we" are saying what it seems to you that "we" are saying.
Again this we you often seem to talk about, who is this we? Why do think this of this supposed "we"? Who is not alllowing it be something different, what is your point if you understand the point of the thread.
What has no one suggested? Who other than you is talking about change not being allowed?
Yep, this topic is about changes, not necessarily for the bad or for the good. Some changes I like, some I don't but I often appreciate trying different things and accept that thins change whether we like it or not.
Fair enough. I have no issue with that.
I often appreciate the redos and the originals. Don't recall hearing the originals of Animals, so no comment on that. I like The Embryo in more than one form.
I don't know if it was heard, and don't like to refer to music sounding like crap even if metal generally is not much my thing. But then there is lot of music considered metal that I like and kinds of metal I like, so whatever. I thought you tried to be more respectful to music than what I seem to be reading here. You often talk about standing up to the artistry, and I don't know what you mean. Who here is against artistry and why does it require your defence? Honestly, I think you're titling at windmills. On tangential note, what is art, to some extent, can be in the eye of the beholder. You often seem to attribute things to this we and others that I am not seeing. The issue is that you seem to misunderstand and misrepresent intent and it does come off as a very negative version of what you think others think. I would rather specific examples rather than generalised assumptions, and also realise that people don't always express themselves as clearly as they could and it can be very easy to draw thew wrong conclusions. And apologies for any mistakes here, I'm trying to get this down as quickly as I can as I have other things to do and perhaps can't give your thoughts enough thought. We both write long and meander (streams of thought and associations) which can confuse. ------------- "Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967). |
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Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 14:58
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Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 15:19
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Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 15:22
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Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 15:27
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 15:29
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 16:11
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Yes: Drama to 90125 Genesis: Wind and Wuthering to ATTWT King Crimson: Red to Discipline (long gap notwithstanding) Pink Floyd: Animals to the Wall Porcupine Tree: Lightbulb Sun to In Absentia (all of a sudden there's some metal in there) Rush: Roll The Bones to Counterparts (all of a sudden grunge becomes popular and Rush feel like they have to go back to a heavier sound- fortunately it worked out and Counterparts is one of their best post 80s albums).
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 19:04
Hi, I tend to compare things, and find the connections weird and sometimes strange, as I have been brought up on the art of things, not rock music, or jazz music, or what folks might consider pop music. For me, all of them are an art, and changes are not something that means a whole lot to me, as it is what the art is all about. I use a lot of classical parallels, and my favorite is always Picasso, who had a blue period, and then a rose period, and then a cubistic period ... and then, a very improvisational period which he showcased in front of a camera many times ... and it is a strange thing that we discuss bands changing their ideas, or mojo (whichever is the case), and I get the feeling that things mention these changes are listed as if it was something unnatural, or not par for the course. The hard part might be discussing the "meaning" of things, when his famous work (Guernica) is a very obvious work with a pointed finger and comment, and the rest of it is not a pointed type of work, and a change/idea that is very clear, open and right there in front of everyone. You or I might like one better than the other, but when we look at a book (let's say) with some 50 to 75 years of his work, we will notice the changes, but not think that it was important ... it was a part of his mind and how Picasso saw things ... and in many ways he represents what a lot of the arts ended up doing in the world ... Again, I consider all the bands, a "person" or an "entity" that is creating art, and they are entitled to their expression, which for me includes the changes that turned it into a different piece of work. To me that is the artist speaking. I have not looked at all these as just songs, that changed and got listed here. I respect the changes. Side note: The PF thing with Animals was released in a remaster album, but already the versions of the pieces were very different from the bootlegs, where they were thought to be the album right after DSOTM, and it wasn't ... instead WYWH was created, which for me, suggested that the record company did not want to get away from the concept/idea that DSOTM had created, which in many ways is justified, and many fans like that album more than Animals. They were playing Raving and Drooling and You Gotta Be Crazy during the DSOTM shows already, which tells you how old it was before it was changed. Just to give you an idea. almost all bootlegs emphasized the new stuff, not DSOTM ... of which there really were not any good live versions ... it was one of those things that just did not impress at all ... it was that mechanical and tight of a visual show ... and not many changes of interest between these, other than minor touches here and there. The new material was wild by comparison!
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 19:42
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 09 2025 at 21:35
Marillion's first 7 albums were all different from each other imo and possibly the next leap to Brave was an even bigger change than the one preceeding it.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 02:31
So your mocking of Moshkito in your sig isn't enough, now you're accusing him of being a drunk. Really? ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 02:44
True, and Afraid of Sunlight was different from Brave. Radiation was different from This Strange Engine Anoraknophobia was different from marillion.com etc. They always tried something new.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 05:31
HI, Haven't had a drink in 30 years ... just not me. And I don't do any herberies, either ... so I guess that is something that is odd and unusual for the folks here! (Been clean for over 40 years!)I'm glad I'm not the only one that is crazy around here! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 07:51
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 07:56
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About Supersister, if Iskander was a departure from Pudding, what shall we say about Spiral Staircase compared top either of them? 
let's give Mosh a break, will ya, you little jerk  https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=133879 Pedro survived the Summer Of Love in Frisco in 67.... So if his often overlong posts are always a bit difficult to comprehend, there aren't spelling many mistakes or stutters that would lead anyone to think he's drunk. He might still have not come down from his last LSD trip (whenever that was), but he's not drunk. .
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Posted By: Jacob Schoolcraft
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 15:26
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Hawkwind....PXR5 to Levitation With the departure of Bob Calvert to the re-entry of Huh Lloyd Langton all sound structure differed and the writing style of Bob Calvert was vanished from Hawkwind leaving that role to Dave Brock and Hugh Lloyd Langton...and creating several albums that presented a kind of Metal affect and fused with Michael Moorcock's writings..its obvious that it would be a drastic change from Calvert ..."Uncle Sam's On Mars", "Spirit Of The Age" had a different style of its own. The following albums : Levitation Sonic Attack Church Of Hawkwind Choose Your Masques Chronicles Of The Black Sword Live Chronicles Xeon Codex ...were only reminiscent of the past regarding the lyrics and story idea of Warrior On The Edge Of Time. Again we had songs about dragons and wizards...warriors and spells...or magic...gone were the 20th century Calvert stories about the Cold War and espionage. From Space Bandits to Electric Teepee....a huge change in structure by returning to more of a Space Rock style of jamming. Gone was the Metal oriented style and they returned to repetitive Space Rock jamming ...though it differed from the Space Ritual sound because of new keyboards. It is The Business Of The Future sounded more Electronic. Sometimes I didn't even realize that I was listening to Hawkwind. As time progressed they began to have more consistency...but from 1976 to early 90s they sometimes sounded like another band completely...or perhaps not the band they were before or earlier and the transitions were sometimes extreme... |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 15:43
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 10 2025 at 16:32
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One of the single biggest changes happened between Goblin's 1980 soundtrack Contamination and the disco-fueled pop rock of their studio LP Volo two years later. Its sole instrumental, "Est," was a leftover they later used again for the Notturno soundtrack. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 02:53
That's a strange one indeed, but i guess Goblin split in two in the early 80s, just check the line-up for Volo and that of Tenebre OST. I like the Tenebre soundtrack. < defer="" ="https://static.cloudflareinsights.com/beacon.min.js/vcd15cbe7772f49c399c6a5babf22c1241717689176015" integrity="sha512-ZpsOmlRQV6y907TI0dKBHq9Md29nnaEIPlkf84rnaERnq6zvWvPUqr2ft8M1aS28on72PdrCzSjY4U6VaAw1EQ==" -cf-beacon=""rayId":"92e96aceb91a8e31","Timing":"name":"cfExtPri":true,"cfL4":true,"cfSpeedBrain":true,"cfCacheStatus":true,"version":"2025.3.0","token":"717409392a644498b4dbcbfbeafd4181"" crossorigin="anonymous"> |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 07:34
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Posted By: heckindumbfox
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 08:21
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id say maybe The Mars Volta, from The Bedlam In Goliath to Octahedron, or also Noctourniquet to Self Titled. .
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 09:14
Hi, Well there is a reason why I like the GD's long cuts ... hahaha ... but honestly ... I gave up drinking and toking when a California Governor said something that really got me mad ... "let them get stoned and I will win all the elections" ... and while I'm all pro this and that, somehow that comment really hurt ... and we don't get it, and make some comments that are ... well ... they can have their "objective" comments! I always stand for the music and its history ... and "song" is something that became an issue only with POPULAR music, not "serious music" in the history that is taught in all schools ... so a lot of folks not helping the music be better and more important, is an issue for me ... changes are what the 20th century was about in the arts .... but most folks here don't care to hear that, because it interferes with their favorite choices, and the idea that they might not have heard enough music to know the difference. I'm not sure that is the main issue, but it might be one of them. And that is not to say that anyone is incorrect, but it is a slight challenge to many of you to improve your listening ability ... I think that all the Special Collab's in PA have that ability to a good/great extent, though sometimes seeing a posting leaves your head going ... what??? ... but a large thx to Sean and a couple of others ... I know that I am only trying to help the music ... we have to get better at that, in order to make a point in the history of it all, otherwise it will be just another moment lost in time ... like smoke in the wind ... dissipated ... and the next bird goes right by it looking for food! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 10:54
This came to my mind as well! For Yes, I'd suggest "TFTO" to "Relayer." Both amazing and evolutionary albums!  ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 14:03
Hi, I think of Electric Tepee as a sort of ambient acid rock ... it has some very hard materials that recall some of the Space Ritual stuff. AND, the end thing that I think might not be quite understood ... the last cut ... Electric Tepee was a "pow-wow" just like Space Ritual was ... and there was a comment here way back when that it was the stupidest thing they ever heard!
Again, I see it as a continuation of their ambient sound, though this was much softer than the previous album, which was a very good and loud album. I find these 2 albums really good and a great listen ... and the only thing that bothers me, is them using the Rolling Stones song to fill out the IITBOTF album ... I know it was a benefit that they had given a lot to, but to me it broke the feeling of the album. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: April 11 2025 at 22:11
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Return to Forever: Light as a Feather to Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy. Both classics. Light as a Feather is mainly acoustic fusion that includes instruments such as the flute, saxophone and double bass as well as vocals. Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy is melt your face electric fusion in the mould of the Mahavisnu Orchestra. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 12 2025 at 11:57
Indeed, Simonetti, Morante and Pignatelli created Tenebre, but Pignatelli is also on Volo. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Jacob Schoolcraft
Date Posted: April 12 2025 at 13:05
Yes I agree. It definitely broke the feeling of the album. By the time they release ALIEN 4 they had already hired Ron Tree who was a fan of Robert Calvert and he did pursue that Calvert role by re-recording "Death Trap" and also through live performance on LOVE IN SPACE, however my personal preference was in the deepness of Bridget Wishart. I liked her costumes ...her theatrics...her masks!! and renditions of Robert Calvert songs. I really liked her emulation and original style the best. She could role play characters and her stage presence was unique in Hawkwind. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 13 2025 at 06:23
Hi, Not sure what the whole thing was about, but she was definitely a special touch in the life of Hawkwind, but it never got off that macho thing in loudness, and not allow for Bridget to shine even more and that album is really good and has some far out touches ... but I suppose that DB thought it would sidetrack the "trip" for the band ... something that nowadays, looks a bit ridiculous and very silly, and for me, the band died after those albums. I have not enjoyed listening to anything since, and in fact, stopped buying altogether, including side albums. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 13 2025 at 06:29
https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=133879 you're confirming your own question.   ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |