Some time in the past...
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Topic: Some time in the past...
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Subject: Some time in the past...
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 07:37
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Curiosity made me look up what PA looked like back in 2006, when there are already some operating captures (older ones might be more difficult to work with), and browsing through some of the pages I ended up on the "Art Rock" sub-genre main page, something we don't have anymore on PA but what was even more curious to see is the top albums of this genre that come up, including King Crimson, Rush, The Mars Volta, VdGG. I think it makes up for an interesting conversation on how much things have changed on the website since then, and perhaps some of the original admins would be more knowledgeable. How did art rock come to be removed from the website and how did all the other sub-genres get born? Just generally curious to hear the story as well as the opinions of other forum users.   |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 07:57
| Art-rock was not removed but split in three: eclectic, crossover and heavy-prog. |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 07:59
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^Oh okay, makes sense looking at the bands involved. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 07:59
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^ It was announced https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41374" rel="nofollow - here . ------------- 
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 08:33
That's a heck of a top 12 in Art Rock. I like that they split it, it's not perfect but better for someone like myself who is into sub genres lists.That Art Rock sub genre was massive. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
A Crimson Mellotron wrote:Posted By: Duddick
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 13:39
| Also shows the “wrong” cover for Octopus….. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 13:46
it's not a wrong cover, but an alternative (for lack of a better word).  |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 13:48
| ^ The USA cover? |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 14:15
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 14:22
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I remember that cover when I had vinyl. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 14:39
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 14:41
I meant all the bands under "art-rock" were divided and tagged under the three genres mentioned above.
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Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 14:46
This was the cover I got when I purchased the CD from a local record store as an import (from ???) during the mid-to-late '90s. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 14:48
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Haha. And I thought Crossover Prog was a blanket category. xd ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 14:51
Interesting that Pawn Hearts was ahead of Godbluff back then. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Tobique
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 14:51
| Also original "mason jar" Canadian cover was precariously die-cut.(function(){function c(){var b=a.contentDocument||a.contentWindow.document;if(b){var d=b.createElement('script');d.innerHTML="window.__CF$cv$params={r:'9052474f8c48ebb4',t:'MTczNzQwOTgwOS4wMDAwMDA='};var a=document.createElement('script');a.nonce='';a.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js';document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(a);";b.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(d)}}if(document.body){var a=document.createElement('iframe');a.height=1;a.width=1;a.style.position='absolute';a.style.top=0;a.style.left=0;a.style.border='none';a.style.visibility='hidden';document.body.appendChild(a);if('loading'!==document.readyState)c();else if(window.addEventListener)document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded',c);else{var e=document.onreadystatechange||function(){};document.onreadystatechange=function(b){e(b);'loading'!==document.readyState&&(document.onreadystatechange=e,c())}}}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;"> |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 15:32
I also seem to remember some threads discussing the whole art rock category, alas I've slept since then so I am probably remembering something else  Carry on... -------------   
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Posted By: Tobique
Date Posted: January 20 2025 at 16:03
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VDGG release dates: Pawn Hearts Nov '71
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 21 2025 at 01:04
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 21 2025 at 01:09
I don't know why you feel the need to mock me, I don't think i said anything wrong...
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 21 2025 at 02:32
I wanted to keep Art Rock alive in PA (especially so that all prog bands were known to me and the buddies as "Art Rock" back then >> I only became aware of "Prog" in the early 90's) However, some contested this, and the excuse (somewhat valid) is that this "genre" had become a dumping ground and the sheer number of bands in there had become unmanageable. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 21 2025 at 06:30
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A bit off-topic here, but when talking about being proud of some Progressive Rock as a progger, it's like somehow identify oneself with the genre and feeling proud on behalf of it. It's like some people can feel proud of belonging to a certain nation, and I can for instance feel proud of the Danish welfare state. ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: January 21 2025 at 06:59
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There is a comprehensive site called art rock heaven that features most of the bands featured here at PA. I’m thinking the two go hand in hand for the most part. Most of Prog can be squeezed into many sub genres IMO. The term Art-Rock is certainly more inclusive. Prog purists (not me) know the difference I think, and I respect that. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024 |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 21 2025 at 16:47
| Classical Rock (not to be confused with the more general ''Classic Rock'' moniker for just about everything in rock that came along around about 1968-1973), Techno Rock and Keyboard Rock were also terms I heard used when growing up. ELP were and still are the most held up example of a ''prog'' band and what the term means (ie it's not meant as a compliment). I think Art-Rock was a term that many bands of that era used to distance themselves from what they considered to be overly technical and bombastic bands such as ELP. However Art rock, although supposedly more cerebral, was arguably more pretentious (although ELP ironically also got lumbered with that criticism when they tried to be more 'arty' as on Works Volume One). I hope my cynical tone is coming through when it comes to this. Ultimately though ''it'' (arty progressive music) is about high level musicianship as far as I'm concerned. You need the tools to build something. Pop musicians only do what they do because they have no capability to do anything different usually being propped up by a producer and a great marketing budget. Ultimately we like to promote actual talent on this site and that includes Supertramp, Kate Bush, David Bowie and 10CC to name a few obvious ones who never were 'prog' at all. |