Going for the One or Wind & Wuthering
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Topic: Going for the One or Wind & Wuthering
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: Going for the One or Wind & Wuthering
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 09:49
| I was thinking about this matchup last night and then I saw Wind & Wuthering on the front page here today so maybe that was a sign to go forward. Also, I'm sure this has been done before but I couldn't find it. |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 09:53
| Genesis - Wind & Wuthering by far |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 09:57
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Going for the One falls far behind in this one. Definitely bottom. Wind (not of the bottom kind) & Wuthering for me. And Blood on the Rooftops is one of my very fave Genesis tracks (and One for the Vine). Wind... by far[t] one might crassly say. No contest, way prefer the Genesis album. |
Posted By: Criswell
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 10:03
| W&W is my favorite Genesis album... |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 10:07
I really like both. 
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 10:31
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Yes, I'm Going for the One and only.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 11:04
| Get out the popcorn folks. This one is going to be good. :) |
Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 11:12
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Neither. ------------- Is it any wonder that the monkey's confused? |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 11:15
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Both equally, but G4T1 has a slight edge thanks to "Parallels" and the incredible "Awaken." Side 2 of W&W is exceptional. Both are essential, classic records that sound very different. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 11:17
| I vote Going For the One. I actually heard both for the first time at a similar time in my life. I haven't listened to W&W in almost ten years, but still listen to most of GFTO every once in a while, and Awaken on its own would be enough to justify it winning this poll. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 12:06
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One has "Turn of the Century" and one doesn't. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 12:11
I've never understood what's the big deal with Turn of the Century... And the more I try to, the more i cringe in the end...
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Epignosis wrote:Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 12:22
Try Annie Haslam & Steve Howe's sublime version of Turn of the Century, which is not cringeworthy at all. |
Posted By: Duddick
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 13:07
| Don’t like either, but not particularly keen on either Yes or Genesis…… |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 13:23
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Genesis gets the nod. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 13:43
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Wind & Wuthering for me. Another afternoon of wallowing in dishes and rustic phonemes. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 14:02
| 'GFTO' all the way here, never grew to love 'Wind and Wuthering' that much. |
Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 14:09
| Both are great. |
Posted By: Criswell
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 14:36
It's always been a favorite of mine (even though I voted for W&W). It's a song about a sculptor's loss of his love and his recreation of her. The recreation is perfectly captured (IMO) in the Howe/Wakeman middle instrumental. If nothing else, it's Yes's first straight-forward narrative story that Anderson's nonsense lyrical contribution didn't render opaque...
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 15:12
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While I would never want to be without Wind and Wuthering, there's nothing on it that compares to "Turn of the Century", "Parallels", and "Awaken". Or to put it another way, Wind and Wuthering is "pastoral", while Going for the One is COSMIC!
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 15:18
One could easily say there's nothing on GFTO like One for the Vine, Eleventh Earl of Mar or Blood on the Rooftops. and so on...
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Posted By: Big Sky
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 18:47
| Both great albums. GFTO for me, however, as Awaken is on the short list as one of the all time great Prog tracks. |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 20:10
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Both hold significant memories for me, and offer both high points and low points in similar proportions. "Awaken" is near perfection, as are "Blood on the Rooftops" and the music of "The Eleventh Earl of Mar" with "One for the Vine" not too far behind. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 22:52
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GfTO ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 08 2025 at 23:04
| Generally you can match up a lot with a lot of Genesis and Yes albums right up to Drama v Duke (which has been done before in a poll and was also close). When I did all of them it came out 6-4 in favour of Genesis which is kind of annoying as I think of myself of liking Yes a bit more. However GFTO was one of the Yes albums that won it's personal duel (along with CTTE, Relayer and Drama). I find W&W very messy. doesn't flow that well. Only Blood On The Rooftops and Afterglow really stand out. I love everything on GFTO apart from the slightly odd title track which I suppose was a studio jam that came out of nothing. The rest is beautifully crafted prog. I can still play my orginal crackly vinyl of that album and it shines! |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 07:15
| W&W is overall more enjoyable- Like other Yes albums Awaken a big standout peppered with just ok songs |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 09:39
| For me it's going for the one by a tiny bit. I consider awaken to be one of the ten best Yes tracks of all time. W&W doesn't really have anything quite on that level imo. |
Posted By: VianaProghead
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 09:49
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Wind & Wuthering of Genesis. ------------- "PROG IS MY FERRARI". Jem Godfrey (Frost*) |
Posted By: Moonshake
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 10:51
| Wind & Wuthering |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 12:02
You guys just hate Yes. 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 12:09
Who hates Yes here?! it's a tie for now. Very tight poll.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 12:24
being tongue-in-cheek (as opposed to tongue-in-cheeks -- very tight, maybe too tight). 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 12:31
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^ I've never understood what's going on in that cover...
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 12:51
^ Overthinking or underthinking this, probably both... If it was prehistoric man, or ancestors of man, looking at modern skyscrapers, I would get that in a sort of 2001: A Space Odyssey bone turns into space station way. It's providing contrast. It might be saying something about man is his natural state versus man outside of nature. Artificiality. Innocence vs. artifice. The lines say something of perspective and geometrical form. A certain symmetry. I do think it;s trying to say something about the human condition and how we might seem to incongruously fit into this man-made world. man is small and naked in this built up world. The figure himself looks artificial due to the musculature -- it's an idealised form. I notice Rush kind of did the same buff naked man thing instead of using gangly Geddy Lee as the model. In Guru Guru's Hinten I think they used an actual photo of a band member's bottom (the drummer). I don't think that's a portrait of Jon Anderson's rearside anyway. But if it is I would say that those buns of steel vids paid off! :P ;) Happy "International Let's Go to Work Naked Day" everyone! What It first made me think of (back in the 80s), I now recall, is Brave New World. It's like the savage meets this modern world of progress. But in that novel the savage was the one less comfortable getting nude (and frisky) and he would quote Shakespeare ("O brave new world, that has such people in’t”). It's the naked man witnessing modernity, but to me he looks as artificial as the buildings. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 13:32
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GFTO for me, I always loved "Wondrous Stories!" A bit sappy, true, but I love it anyway! They are both really rather close in my opinion - each has some bombastic symphonic prog as well as lighter moments (and a few low points). So, my vote goes to GFTO, by a smidgeon. ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 13:55
I don't think I ever thought it through to this level but I agree that I've always got this impression from it, man confronted by hyper modernity. I think the lines always gave me the impression that he was plotting his way to navigate the world. How he we going to get to, as it were, the one. Whatever that is.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 17:22
| I always thought that GFTO would have sold more if it wasn't for the album cover. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 09 2025 at 23:07
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I love the conspiracy theory that it was Patrick Moraz on the cover
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 10 2025 at 00:37
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Wind and Wuthering gets the nod, though I like both. ------------- 
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Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: January 10 2025 at 06:42
Constructing on that perspective, to which I agree, I'd say that the key point to be explained in this cover is nudity itself. That seems to follow the lead of Vitruvio. This is not A man, but MAN as archetype, stripped of individual traits, like clothes:  But in GFTO, man doesn't show face or genitals, nor extends arms or legs up to fill the perfect pythagorean figures illustrating Protagoras dictum "Man is the measure of all things". More likely, man just stands anonymous and constrained by asymmetrical lines largely exceeding in size, not measuring, but rather being measured by things. Those changes are perhaps more important than the initial resemblance, so Huxley's novel comes rapidly to mind. Too much going on, that makes it hard to grasp, and such an interesting symbol. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 10 2025 at 06:46
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^ maybe the cover has got a deep message, or maybe not, but either way i can't take that cover seriously. (hence my LOL emoticon in my post above)
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Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: January 10 2025 at 07:06
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^ Yes, I got that, and it's understandable, given the b*tt-naked fellow in front row! Some people can't take seriously a cover with a planet blowing off and a spaceship with some sort of sails either, but still, there's more than a joke there.
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Posted By: Criswell
Date Posted: January 10 2025 at 08:48
Ha!...I always thought that too!
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: January 10 2025 at 10:20
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Re: Colored lines on the Going for the One album cover I've always thought the 5 lines represent the 5 members of Yes. If you flip your tri-fold cover over, take a look at the 5 band-member portraits. While the lines pass over and go behind more than one portrait, each line "best represents" one portrait exclusively. (Disclaimer: I was not using any "enlightening substances" when arriving at the following theory.) ORANGE: passes over Alan White's portrait exclusively. BLUE/WHITE: passes over Jon Anderson's portrait (top right corner). PALE YELLOW: passes over Steve Howe's portrait exclusively. RED: only passes over Chris Squire's portrait. GREEN: all other colors are taken, so this one goes to Rick Wakeman. Now you've heard everything right? This album's in my All-Time Top 10, and I've probably spent a little too much time with it!
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: January 10 2025 at 10:35
| Going for the One |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: January 11 2025 at 11:36
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Going For The One is fine; Wind & Wuthering is the last but certainly not least in a streak of Genesis albums that are among the most significant musical accomplishments I've had the pleasure of hearing in my life ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |