Holdsworth Solo & Groups: 1st Album
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Topic: Holdsworth Solo & Groups: 1st Album
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Subject: Holdsworth Solo & Groups: 1st Album
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 05:04
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Guitar legend Allan Holdsworth (1946-2017) has played with some of the biggest names in Jazz Rock/Fusion, most notably Soft Machine, Pierre Moerlen's Gong, short-lived supergroup U.K. & last but least 'Igginbottom (Who?). Allan Holdsworth has his own distinctive and instantly recognisable guitar style, which includes a vast array of complex chord progressions, such as diminished, augmented, chromatic and altered scales - and if that makes any sense at all to you, then you know far more about music theory than I do. The appreciation of Allan Holdsworth's guitar virtuosity here at ProgArchives remains undiminished, unlike Allan Holdsworth's chord progressions.   1976: Allan Holdsworth - Velvet Darkness - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWFXsGz50Kq349oDTwYFxIZtt_PU17PdM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWFXsGz50Kq349oDTwYFxIZtt_PU17PdM 1978: Bruford - Feels Good to Me - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL16B7E02A549EA442" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL16B7E02A549EA442  1995: Gongzilla - Suffer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEeqz9tYuBw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEeqz9tYuBw  1980: Holdsworth, Beck, Clyne & Stevens - Conversation Piece - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAcusrW39X4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAcusrW39X4 1980: Allan Holdsworth & Gordon Beck - The Things You See - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dIoXrkpWL0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dIoXrkpWL0 1969: Igginbottom - Igginbottom's Wrench - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPycj7A3nNaLu0_4zeoYfwdO0xT55gnGV" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPycj7A3nNaLu0_4zeoYfwdO0xT55gnGV  2004: K2 - Book of the Dead - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbnOEmGpb0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbnOEmGpb0 1976: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Gazeuse! - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ntcXIN-OlzdPtKU5ct87mHE4FpikPvPIs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ntcXIN-OlzdPtKU5ct87mHE4FpikPvPIs 1975: The New Tony Williams Lifetime - Believe It - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLo8SRTJOJ2EbxRYR1UzAefYLBiGRkdPxS" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLo8SRTJOJ2EbxRYR1UzAefYLBiGRkdPxS 1973: Pat Smythe Quartet - New Dawn Live 1973 - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nB73wZPMMA9jEJDcfcejpEHvPwwfmij8s" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nB73wZPMMA9jEJDcfcejpEHvPwwfmij8s 1968: Soft Machine - The Soft Machine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs441a1O658" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs441a1O658 2003: Soft Works - Abracadabra - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90wuHMT9DFU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90wuHMT9DFU 1973: Tempest - Tempest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSaQwre_ayk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSaQwre_ayk 1978: U.K. - U.K. - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpDuVnWVnjuylNW0f3K7CnGIZDxQZfLQi" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpDuVnWVnjuylNW0f3K7CnGIZDxQZfLQi |
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 05:16
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Wrong Soft Machine album, first SM album he played on was Bundles. Second one was Land of Cockayne.
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 05:20
I knew that, but I could hardly list Bundles as the first Soft Machine album.
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Cristi wrote:Posted By: Heart of the Matter
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 05:22
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Allan feels good to me. UK and Bundles are great too. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 05:32
If Bundles is on here I'm picking it. I went with Believe It! but there's five on here I really like. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 05:44
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U.K. - U.K. Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Gazeuse!
Soft Machine - The Soft Machine |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 06:33
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Voted for UK's self-titled release. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 06:38
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1. K2 - Book of the Dead 2. U.K. - U.K. 3. Tempest - Tempest 4. Gongzilla - Suffer
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 07:08
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UK Bruford Gong K² Book of the Dead is a really good album with a Gabriel esque singer. Shout out to Jean-Luc Ponty "Enigmatic Ocean". |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 11:23
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U.K. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 11:24
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U.K. Awesome album. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 15:40
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U.K.! My toes can count on their toes. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 16:16
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Bruf -- ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 16:58
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The Soft Machine (1968) ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 17:11
But Gazeuse! and Believe it are not the first albums of Gong or Tony Williams, respectively. So, what point are you trying to make? That Allan was a key player in these bands' discography (when he was obviously not) or that these bands existed before and after Allan's contributions? Feels to me as if you're stretching yourself out onto a limb with some of your polls! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 01 2025 at 17:16
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^ Well, people love endless "content" that serves no other purpose than to sustain itself. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 04:48
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2004: K2 - Book of the Dead - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbnOEmGpb0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbnOEmGpb0 The first chapter from the summit of K2 - a towering achievement of prog. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 05:25
Gazeuse! is the first album by Pierre Moerlen's Gong and the first album by The New Tony Williams Lifetime is Believe It (or not). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Moerlens_Gong" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Moerlen%27s_Gong http://www.discogs.com/artist/274675-The-New-Tony-Williams-Lifetime" rel="nofollow - http://www.discogs.com/artist/274675-The-New-Tony-Williams-Lifetime
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 05:59
I guess, as "Holdsworth's future band", but as long as Grumpy is happy....  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 06:44
^Allan is the most creative and innovative musician ever. He doesn't get the discussion he deserves on PA. So, any thread about Allan makes me happy. 
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 06:54
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 07:13
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^ A difficult and dangerous ascent for sure to the summit of K2 - the world's most challenging mountain - but three intrepid explorers (or PA poll voters) have already planted their flag there, against all the odds. |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 08:00
Totally synchrone ... Awesome epic with top guitar solos by AH and SH ... Crank it up ! 
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 08:06
Can somebody be proud of some music afterall?  ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 08:17
| ^it looks like so :-) |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 08:28
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 08:28
I'd be proud to say I own all of the albums in this poll, but the reality is I own none of them.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 08:36
| ^The Book of the Dead is out of print. So if you find the original it might be pricey. However, there is a CDr available from K² leader Ken Jaquees website. |
Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 08:51
It doesn't seem right to include it in an Allan Holdsworth poll with no Allan on it. Are we going to see 6 more polls with Soft Machine? Or, you could hold off inclusing them until you get to eighth albums. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 08:52
K2's Book of the Dead is the kind of album I'd climb a mountain to own, although it's currently available on CD from Amazon at £12.19 for those of us without a head for heights. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Book-Dead-K2/dp/B0009QKVK4" rel="nofollow - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Book-Dead-K2/dp/B0009QKVK4
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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 08:56
Yes, I'm planning to include all of Soft Machine's albums in this series of Holdsworth polls, but I can promise we'll reach the Bundles and Land of Cockayne albums (featuring Allan Holdsworth) eventually.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 09:27
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 13:10
At least, it's not called "Holdsworth's Soft Machine". ------------- quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: January 02 2025 at 17:16
the shoemaker always wears bad shoes
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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: January 05 2025 at 04:05
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Lotsa goodies here! My favourite has to be Gazeuse! but Feels Good To Me, U.K. and The Soft Machine are not far behind at all. New Dawn and Conversation Piece are very cool too and give a good sense of what the man could sound like in a more free-form setting; this album by John Stevens isn't on Progarchives but is a really great example of it as well: I like Velvet Darkness but it's definitely among the more uneven of his solo works, unfortunately. I don't think I've ever heard Book Of The Dead before but I'll definitely try to get to it. ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: January 05 2025 at 04:19
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I gave some love to Pierre Moerllen's Gong....that was the first time I had heard Allan's guitar playing, and I was hooked! Bruford, UK, etc. The man never played a wrong note. ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 05 2025 at 04:22
It's very surprising to me that out of the 32 votes cast so far, Allan Holdsworth's debut solo album hasn't picked up one single vote in an Allan Holdsworth poll. 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 05 2025 at 04:35
| Recordings done during a rehearsal session, Holdsworth therefore considers the album an unauthorized release. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 05 2025 at 04:41
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Velvet Darkness is a bad record, he's right to be embarrassed by it. And there's Nucleus -- ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: January 05 2025 at 04:51
That explains it then.  I expect this'll be the only poll where Allan Holdsworth comes last in an Allan Holdsworth poll.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: January 05 2025 at 05:17
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 05 2025 at 05:18
Not surprised TBH.
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Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: January 05 2025 at 07:48
Some of you send me a message about my last comment which translated literally an old (XVth century) french idiom : Le cordonnier est toujours le plus mal chaussé According to some wiki links the right translation is : " The shoemaker’s son always goes barefoot" Hope it's ok now
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