Tull-under wraps 40 year drum remix
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Topic: Tull-under wraps 40 year drum remix
Posted By: dr prog
Subject: Tull-under wraps 40 year drum remix
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 02:33
Sounds a heap better now. The songs are pretty good when you hear them now. Awesome  ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 02:34
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I really don't think you can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 02:42
 nicely put, even a bit brutal.  As if the drums were the only problem with this album...
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Jared wrote:Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 02:54
Play them. I’m loving it now. One of my faves Ians genius is coming out ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 12:44
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I got the link up now. Tried doing the playlist but wasn’t coming up. Tell me Later that same evening doesn’t sound good now? Lol ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 12:50
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How much better does this sound. It was horrible but actually sounds good now Drums are the main improvement but the bass and guitar sound louder too. Sounds like a top recording now  ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 14:06
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Kudos to the chap who did these. This is great. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 14:32
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This one has alot of busy bits ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 14:34
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My fave ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 14:36
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Tull at their funnest lol ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 17:43
| Sounds decent enough to me. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 18:13
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Martin and Ian were at their best We still need apogee, general crossing automotive engineering ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 23 2024 at 19:54
If ever the phrase "ill-advised" could be used, this would be the misbegotten album I would affix it to. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 10:27
It's a lot easier than redoing To the Power of Three so that it has good synth sounds and good songs!  ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 16:16
| I like most the remixed songs more than the originals. I wonder if Ian and Steven Wilson remix Under Wraps with a live drummer. Gavin could do it. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 18:42
I like how this guy did it. Think he just swapped drum samples. No drummer required which was Ian’s plan lol ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 24 2024 at 19:08
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I saw this tour. Everything onstage was literally under wraps. That's all. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 02:47
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Just like Dave Gilmour pseudo-Floyd solo Permanent Lapse Of Reason, you can update the 80's atrocious sonics all you want(to no avail), the album will remain bad, because the songwriting is really weak. There is maybe one UW track that would find a spot on either A or Tb&TB Ditto for AMLOR, only the opening instrumental would find a spot on either TFC or TDB. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: November 25 2024 at 18:07
| I think the drums were actually the biggest problem of that album, and so this helps a lot indeed. I've always loved Later That Same Evening. There are some other good songs on it. OK it's not a classic, still I always had a soft spot for it. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 00:34
I’ll have it fairly even with A now with this production. Ian never sang better ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 00:41
I’ll have it fairly even with A now with this production. Ian never sang better ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 06:40
By any quantitative or qualitative measure, that statement is strictly delusional if you are referring to Under Wraps. Unless, of course, you prefer croaking to actual singing -- you know, like on Stand Up, Aqualung, Minstrel in the Gallery, or any album before Ian blew out his vocal chords. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 14:54
Don’t like his voice much on minstrel. I think you need to listen to those remixes lol ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 16:47
I'm certain you don't know what you're talking about lol ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 17:24
Just because you love minstrel and I don’t lol. Overrated imo ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 17:49
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^ Minstrel is a great hard-prog album by any standard. His voice? Anderson has never had a great voice, a bit strained and nasopharyngeal. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 20:05
He’s one of my fave vocalists of the 70s and early 80s. Probably is my fave. ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 21:15
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^ And he's never had a great voice. One's favorite is not indicative of greatness. On the other hand, very few singers in prog have had great voices--- Lake? Boyish and immature. Jon Anderson? A smurf. Wetton? No way. Gabriel had the most mature voice with a good range of tone, and lyrics as well. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 21:23
I find Gabriel the least interesting lol I like other singers such as ozzy, gillan, dio, brown, sinclair, hammill etc ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 26 2024 at 21:39
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^ Exactly, mostly non-Prog, hard rock or Pop artists. It's always been that way, just the nature of the beast I guess--- F. Mercury, R. Plant, E. John, CS&N, great voices. Not Prog. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 00:04
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Di Giacomo another goodie ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 00:06
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Clause Blasquiz ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 10:26
Ian's vocals throughout the '70s (and the early '80s) were superb. His style, timbre and quirk more than compensate for his limitations. He sounds like a mountain man who stumbled onto a band who kept him on. Then he blew his voice out, and since then he sounds solid on most of the studio recordings, but only "fair to middlin'" live.
To me, Gabriel is just alright. The music of his solo albums better suits his singing than Genesis (and Phil's by far a better vocalist). Wetton and Lake were both great singers in the '70s, and while certain vices affected their performances in the subsequent decades, Wetton's pipes weathered a lot better. But with King Crimson, Uriah Heep and UK, I don't see how anyone can't rate Wetton as a singer. But when it comes to '70s prog with an outstanding vocalist, Steve Walsh is way ahead of all of them. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 11:38
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 15:53
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Ian sounds amazing here ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 16:40
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------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 17:09
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He's always been a perfectly adequate, even good, rock singer, but doesn't approach the athletic & elastic capabilities of a Mercury, a Plant, or even an Osbourne. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 17:43
I actually prefer his voice and range over the others. Mercury had the strongest voice of course but I don’t really like Queen. I don’t like Plants squealy voice. Ozzy I like. Ian always had a cool sounding voice up until 87. He changed it every year though. Thought he sounded a bit thin in 75-76. Arthur Brown was probably the king vocalist all round ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 18:08
John Osbourne, the same guy who sounded like a novice compared to his successor in that one band? ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 18:12
Hammill 
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 18:15
There we go.  ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 20:59
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This album has gone from rags to riches. The songs are quite good now that I can listen to them lol ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 27 2024 at 22:48
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Other than the bands impressive ability to continue making original music from almost nothing, UW continues to remind of how prosaic & disheartened much 80s progrock was. Tough times. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 06:56
Agreed. Regarding JT, I think they fell off a cliff after Glasscock died and Ian fired Barriemore Barlow, John Evan and Dee Palmer. They never were the same. But then, I feel exactly the same about Genesis after Steve Hackett left, and the pop conglomeration that was Yes in the 1980s. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 16:18
Mmm.. it was of its time and that was pretty grim.. and IA's obsession with spying and cold war intrigue didnt help to make the atmosphere any less chilly. At least it's not as bad as IA's solo effort 'Walk into light'.... ------------- |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 28 2024 at 16:45
I like WIL lol Now that I’m hearing UW remixed with different drum sample I feel Tull were similar strength all the way through to 84. Genius Ian. They dropped off in late 80s though ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 03:20
Yeah, Tull should've definitely packed it in after Stormwatch .... which sounded tired anyways. The only OK post-SW albums being Crest and Branches. Genesis' first two Hackett-less albums were still worthy, IMHO, but starting from Abacrap.... ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 06:00
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The drum sound wasn't the problem - it was the tunes! Then again, I get off the Tull train around the time of the Living in the Past comp. There are still some worthy moments, notably by Martin Barre, but just too much muck to dredge through to get to those worthy moments. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 10:12
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Stormwatch was a final step for me but Roots to Branches is ok ( the title track being one of their best songs) |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 10:30
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I own everything up to Broadsword.. Stormwatch was OK, but it sounded a bit 'law of diminishing returns' after Wood & Horses; similar style, but not as good. A was mediocre with a couple of good tracks; I probably own it as much for the Slipstream DVD on the Remaster, which is certainly worth owning. I also own Broadsword, partly down to nostalgia; first Tull I ever heard and was part of my teenage years, and although its slight, I do still like it. UW is frankly horrible... and I really don't care for much afterwards, owing to IA's vocal style change, which made them sound like a poor man's Dire Straits... just not my thing. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 11:34
Stormwatch is inspired by winter. It doesn't sound "tired," it's just the next season (after the "Spring" of SFTW and the "Fall" of Heavy Horses) that Ian set the album in. And it's brilliant. I think A is great, too. It's just a different vibe (and it was supposed to be a solo album). Broadsword, for me, is probably the last "great" Tull album, but the songs left off the album proper were mostly better. But we have them all now. I'm shocked you like Crest.  ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 29 2024 at 20:55
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Stormwatch double album remix is amazing Broadsword triple album awesome A never sounded better now. Remix is excellent and I love Coruisk bonus track Wraps was a bit unlistenable but I love the new version You guys are just stubborn old b*****ds lol ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 30 2024 at 01:16
uttermost fanboyism if there was ever any  You sound/read like the other fanboy that got banned a few years back. Tull could do no wrong and all of the expanded remastered album are all clogging up the Pantheon. Thx for the insult, BTW  !!
I didn't like it at first, coz it was a metal album (so said the Grammys)  More seriously, I reappraised it for the reviews (check it out) I made on this site it's got three good songs (Farm, Budapest and Jump Start), which is more than OW, TB&TB and A altogether. I never understood why people speak of Knopfler/Straits about this
album. Two tracks clearly indicate he was heading towards ZZTop's
Eliminator direction. I never owned it until I scored a remaster CD dirt cheap (2.00 bucks, I believe) some 10 years ago. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 30 2024 at 03:38
Hopefully Wilson removes the reverb from crest  ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 30 2024 at 03:42
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Waking edge is cool Mountain men and Raising steam are not lol Part of the machine and farm are cool too A and sword are definitely better. So is wraps remixed ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 30 2024 at 09:41
The Knopfler comparison is to Ian's vocals on the album, not so much the instrumentation (though I kind of get it with some of the songs). Saying three songs is "more altogether" than what's found on the three previous albums is an extreme, even erroneous, stance to maintain, though. Broadsword is improved grandly by many songs strangely left off, when we got "Watching Me, Watching You" and "Cheerio" on the main event. Either way, "The Clasp" is better than anything on Crest. Better synth sounds than on the next two, also. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: November 30 2024 at 12:23
Interested to know where / how you came by that idea that those 3 albums follow a seasonal theme and how you attribute Spring to 'Songs', Autumn (as we call it on this side of the pond) for 'HH' and Winter for 'SW'. Have you seen it in an interview etc? Only interested as the first 2 certainly reference all four seasons and SW's 'Wintery' feel was more attributed to the British/ European political situation rather than actual seasonality.. Having worked with Heavy horses, i have a particular fondness for that album ------------- |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 30 2024 at 12:40
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If you have the chance pick up the album book sets go for it. Broadsword extras have been de reverbed and sound smashing. The album has some gems like seal driver, flying colours, hard times, broadsword etc Wilson did improve the sound of pussy willow also. I toned down the drums on beastie and it comes up very good. I love Inverness sleeper. One of Tulls best songs ever. Crew nights comes up excellent plus others ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 30 2024 at 12:48
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Stormwatch is my number one set. I’ve become a fan of warm sporran. It’s sounds a lot cleaner and it’s even longer as well North Sea oil, ringill, something on the move, dark ages are Tull gems that sound better than ever. The second disc is crazy. The long version of Orion has Martins best guitar moment in his career. How can they cut off the intro and middle parts. Stitch in time, kelpie, broadford, lyricon are Tull classics ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 30 2024 at 13:06
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A remix is the best sounding. I’ve become a fan of crossfire and working John because they sound great now. Crossfire has a longer ending too. Fylingdale, Uniform, further on, Coruisk etc all great. Remixed tull 1979-84 is better than 74-78 imo. The horses, songs, child sets are great too ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 30 2024 at 16:14
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It's Tull's bonus cuts that are really worth the remasters, WarChild is almost a completely different album and its abandoned 'concept' becomes evident. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: November 30 2024 at 17:57
That’s right. A bonus 10 albums from 68-84 without counting different versions of any songs. Ian shouldn’t have been listening to the dumb critics. He went all sound track on us in 74 and 76. I really hope the remaining 76 tapes are found so we can get the full double album remixed ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |