Karfagen or the Tangent
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Topic: Karfagen or the Tangent
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: Karfagen or the Tangent
Date Posted: September 03 2024 at 15:52
| I suppose this is not only a battle between two major modern symph bands but also between Andy Tillison and Antony Kalugin. |
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: September 03 2024 at 16:54
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I like both, but The Tangent is my favorite of the two. The hamper slid down the steps and at the bottom the lid popped open and out spilled the socks and underpants. The polyextremophiles applauded. I hope Andy is reading this. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 03 2024 at 17:01
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Who voted neither? I am not keen on what I know of The Tangent studio albums, but I have quite liked some The Tangent live. I have heard little Karfagen before, and I was not keen on it. I won't vote at this time because I am not totally unfamiliar with both but know too little of both to feel comfortable voting as the poll is set up. I might try to listen to a bit more of both at some time even if just to bring a little more diversity to my musical diet and to support a new topic. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 03 2024 at 17:05
Both Equally, but going off at a tangent, I like the solo albums by Antony Kalugin (of Karfagen) best of all. 
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 03 2024 at 17:30
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I am never blown away by either because they are both so inconsistent and derivative of other, older songs, bands, and styles. It's not that I don't like them, I just don't seek them out. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 03 2024 at 21:16
| I guess Karfagen aren't as popular as I thought. |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 00:13
| While both wear their influences on their sleeve, Andy is a lot better at taking those old ideas and really running with them. I am also fully willing to admit that the more present jazz element in the music of The Tangent appeals to me more than the very "straight-ahead" symph-ish prog of Karfagen. Not that the latter is devoid of jazz influences, but there are just more improvisational elements to the former that come from players who are actually proficient in jazz. Plus, there's more of a Canterbury-type whimsy to The Tangent that I enjoy. And while this is so rarely a make-or-break inclusion for me, the fact that The Tangent has more tracks with lyrics is actually another plus. While Andy's writing is occasionally a bit on the nose, I am often very taken by his lyrical content and/or concept, and in recent years, the more political bent to them has intrigued me. And they seem to have more fun, as well. Karfagen would never write anything like Jinxed in Jersey. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 00:20
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I only know the Tangent and I guess there is a fair chance I would have chosen this band. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 00:54
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I chose The Tangent. As BrufordFreak said, both bands are derivative of old stuff, but the thing is, that the derivativeness feels more inventive and impassionate in the case of The Tangent to me. Anton Kalughin is a very competent composer, and I find myself really digging Karfagen's musical output, but it's nowehere near the level of genius and attention to detail that is displayed by Andy Tillison in The Tangent. ------------- On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became. Ernest Vong |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 00:57
| The Tangent |
Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 01:08
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Another vote for The Tangent
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 01:12
| Both are extremely "hit or miss". No vote, since I've only heard a few releases out of their extensive discographies ... |
Posted By: Duddick
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 01:49
| Tangent for me. Im afraid I find Karfagen a bit wishy-washy, sorry |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 04:48
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Karfagen by a mile. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 06:01
| It's very close for me, but The tangent gets my vote, if only for a small margin. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 06:19
| FWIW: The Tangent features strange vocals. It's unfortunate, some of the songs (listening to Not As Good As The Book right now) are so well arranged and musicianship is top notch, except for the vocal lines. |
Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 06:21
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The first two Tangent albums featured incredibly rich vocal harmonies and a tag team approach to lead vocals. This is in my opinion what the later Tangent albums are really missing. ------------- On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became. Ernest Vong |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 07:30
| Listening to the debut now ... feels like a first listen, after 20+ years. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 09:58
The first Tangent? Oh man, that's a great album. I actually need to hear more by them myself.
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MikeEnRegalia wrote:Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 11:18
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Easily, The Tangent for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 11:29
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Which one sounds more like Pendragon? ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Gentle and Giant
Date Posted: September 04 2024 at 12:48
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By far The Tangent. ------------- Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 05 2024 at 03:12
| The Tangent by far. I had the first Karfagen album but the second one was a bit too much like lift music for me. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: September 05 2024 at 04:39
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I love a sprinkling of Marshmallow Moondust from Antony Kalugin, and The Tangent made me look at music from a new angle, but I still haven't got around to listening to a full album by Karfagen. They'll just have to join A Place in the Queue.  2008: Antony Kalugin - The Water - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nO5QHWmrTNYWRQVF_YyDqj_bewWYV6yMs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nO5QHWmrTNYWRQVF_YyDqj_bewWYV6yMs 2013: Antony Kalugin - AKKO 1 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMIdjQBbCKo3ujGHMlXHv3dM7VnfWebNs" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMIdjQBbCKo3ujGHMlXHv3dM7VnfWebNs  2020: Antony Kalugin - Marshmallow Moondust - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n4rsW8q0M6Dbq5ijteHYRiEwDWE2GiOj0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n4rsW8q0M6Dbq5ijteHYRiEwDWE2GiOj0 2021: Antony Kalugin - Stellar Gardener - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m0ZUAYxLmPcAlb_DunQ_W5BZQclTCk9Q4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m0ZUAYxLmPcAlb_DunQ_W5BZQclTCk9Q4 2021: Antony Kalugin - Chameleon Shapeshifter - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kF_-GbS51rITUzSJl6oeWVh_syKg0C_1I" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kF_-GbS51rITUzSJl6oeWVh_syKg0C_1I 2022: Antony Kalugin - Rebirth - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ldYEnrorC2UDMg6RyISu_XNRXJ3yYJ3IU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ldYEnrorC2UDMg6RyISu_XNRXJ3yYJ3IU 2003: The Tangent - The Music That Died Alone - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEb7IogGy2hhKUzb-lX5ZEe" rel="nofollow - 2004: The Tangent - The World That We Drive Through - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEbMmcI-ngIr3xYYRMgcWU1P" rel="nofollow - 2005: The Tangent - Pyramids and Stars - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEahMvDlO60h9qSRigWxHGsQ" rel="nofollow - 2006: The Tangent - A Place in the Queue - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEajbXCRB7tc9jY6adfUZSj0" rel="nofollow - 2007: The Tangent - Going Off On One - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZtls4kblP5HskD8pZUVLyC" rel="nofollow - 2008: The Tangent - Not as Good as the Book - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZ0wGoHYkeSYR9KMZu5Z2be" rel="nofollow - 2009: The Tangent - Down and Out in Paris and London - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEY0OcqrsxEqx5mwcbex-u6Z" rel="nofollow - 2011: The Tangent - COMM - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEaiLilEiLPcq9pTTfl5aF-V" rel="nofollow - 2011: The Tangent - Going Off On Two - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEa4rEQZ8Uv7DYJ9MYAPkHVA" rel="nofollow - 2013: The Tangent - Le Sacre du Travail - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZro4bE4Vn3LwiiPijSy90n" rel="nofollow -  2015: The Tangent - A Spark in the Aether - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEZR3lC4KNBWijAlVA9rKKKZ" rel="nofollow - 2017: The Tangent - The Slow Rust of Forgotten Machinery - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYsBPb0xl9tT6xsC4pf5e7S" rel="nofollow - 2018: The Tangent - The Proxy - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEaNQ3bRVJCJjfuwxzkICD1o" rel="nofollow - 2020: The Tangent - Auto Reconnaissance - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYb9x4jCn1IVusSkx6K-UY5" rel="nofollow -
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 05 2024 at 23:56
presumably because Roine Stolte was still involved? After that it became much more about Tillison. I voted The Tangent mainly because of the lyrics of Andy Tillison. His musings on Brexit are particularly interesting. The last album is quite remarkable for the fact that he wrote, performed and produced the whole damn thing. Never happened before that way. I enjoy Karfagen a lot as well. Like The Tangent this is a much more relaxed version of prog. The modern prog thing is to go heavy or 'retro'. Neither of these artists do this. It's all well written and well played but will never satisfy the 'it's got be edgy and angular' brigade who see prog as some sort of obstacle course that has to be negotiated. I quite like the limousine ride myself!
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